Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 51 minutes ago, dorquemada said: I dont mean to alarm you but the Jets and Giants have similar sized markets. The same, you might say The Jets and Giants couldn't even combine teams right now and make a better team. The only thing good about football in NY is the Buffalo Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: The Jets and Giants couldn't even combine teams right now and make a better team. The only thing good about football in NY is the Buffalo Bills. Combined they might not be a good team, but they would be a better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Just now, SCBills said: I should rephrase, Tri-State area. Kind of how Eli lived in Hoboken. I’m more talking about the vibe, culture and media. You could be in large parts of jersey and not know you were not in Georgia or South Carolina. He grew up 40 miles from the Atlanta sprawling metropolis. 45 min west of Hobie (which has no culture to bother with, BTW) and you're in the coun---tree. 45 min north of Manhattan and you are in the sticks as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: You could be in large parts of jersey and not know you were not in Georgia or South Carolina. He grew up 40 miles from the Atlanta sprawling metropolis. 45 min west of Hobie (which has no culture to bother with, BTW) and you're in the coun---tree. 45 min north of Manhattan and you are in the sticks as well. Oh, I agree, but it’s still very different. Im from Long Island. I now live down south. Cartersville is not Atlanta, or even the sprawl or North Metro. It’s still pretty rural that way. Clemson is about 30 minutes from Greenville, which is a mid-size city, growing fast, but still with the southern vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, SCBills said: Oh, I agree, but it’s still very different. Im from Long Island. I now live down south. Cartersville is not Atlanta, or even the sprawl or North Metro. It’s still pretty rural that way. Clemson is about 30 minutes from Greenville, which is a mid-size city, growing fast, but still with the southern vibe. True but go 40-50 miles up from the city to places like Roscoe and Gohsen and thereabouts and you'll see the Stars and Bars in people's living room windows. He would feel right at home. Anyway, players often don't own a primary home where they play anyway (especially on rookie contract)---so it really doesn't matter where he ends up--it will be a large metro area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, without a drought said: Combined they might not be a good team, but they would be a better team. Better than what the 2 are now or better than the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 I would avoid the Jets like the plague until they're under new ownership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Better than what the 2 are now or better than the Bills? Just better than they are now. It might be interesting to see if you can take two crappy rosters and make a good team. At least on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, H2o said: I think Lawrence would rather go anywhere other than the Jets tbh. There's also a wild card here. There's been talk of Dabo moving on to the NFL. Say he wins another title this year and makes that jump. It will almost certainly be to one of the teams at the top of the draft order. Could be some collusion of sorts going on behind the scenes. I don’t think Dabo’s persona plays in NFL locker rooms. The power dynamic is different. He’s perfect for where he is. More money and less aggravation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: That's gold, Yolo. GOLD! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, dorquemada said: I dont mean to alarm you but the Jets and Giants have similar sized markets. The same, you might say Did I draw a contrast I wasn’t aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 I think the Jets will have the 1st pick in the draft but TL will refuse to play for them forcing the Jets to make a trade for 2 1st rd picks 2 2nd rd picks and a star player for TL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: You could be in large parts of jersey and not know you were not in Georgia or South Carolina. He grew up 40 miles from the Atlanta sprawling metropolis. 45 min west of Hobie (which has no culture to bother with, BTW) and you're in the coun---tree. 45 min north of Manhattan and you are in the sticks as well. This whole country is that way. I always get a kick out of WNYers from little towns in the country who speak with a sort of Southern drawl and watch NASCAR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Clemson Tigers QB Trevor Lawrence hints at staying for senior season rather than opting for NFL draft https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/clemson-tigers-qb-trevor-lawrence-hints-staying-senior/story?id=73861151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Clemson Tigers QB Trevor Lawrence hints at staying for senior season rather than opting for NFL draft https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/clemson-tigers-qb-trevor-lawrence-hints-staying-senior/story?id=73861151 Honestly due to Covid and the shrinking cap it might be the best solution for him to just stay another year. I don't think the Jets are that much worse than any other team that would typically be drafting 1st overall (Are this year's Jets that much worse than the Bengals in 2019?) The Jets have a stud LT and a decent center. They also have an extra first round pick the next 2 years, flexible cap space, some pieces on defense like Williams and could probably fetch additional picks for Darnold who I think at worst fetch a 2nd and mid round pick if not a late 1st. So I don't see how the Jets are that historically bad that someone would stay an extra year or avoid the team. BUT why join a team you aren't enthusiastic about when the salary cap and rookie deal will be lower? The Jets are bad but so is any team with the number one pick 90% of the time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Honestly due to Covid and the shrinking cap it might be the best solution for him to just stay another year. I don't think the Jets are that much worse than any other team that would typically be drafting 1st overall (Are this year's Jets that much worse than the Bengals in 2019?) The Jets have a stud LT and a decent center. They also have an extra first round pick the next 2 years, flexible cap space, some pieces on defense like Williams and could probably fetch additional picks for Darnold who I think at worst fetch a 2nd and mid round pick if not a late 1st. So I don't see how the Jets are that historically bad that someone would stay an extra year or avoid the team. BUT why join a team you aren't enthusiastic about when the salary cap and rookie deal will be lower? The Jets are bad but so is any team with the number one pick 90% of the time. I agree. Its easy to pick on the Jets now. We’ll see how they finish. Could still be historically bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I may be wrong on this but didn't Peyton Manning decide to remain at Tennessee partly because the Jets had the first pick in the '97 draft. It would be funny if Lawrence did the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubanmist Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 He could very well be a Patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 8:07 PM, YoloinOhio said: At least he will have a new coach Joe Douglas supposedly knows what he’s doing. You have to think he brings in a decent HC. Once they happens NYJ might be a better franchise. So much of the issue is Adam Gase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 minute ago, JohnNord said: Joe Douglas supposedly knows what he’s doing. You have to think he brings in a decent HC. Once they happens NYJ might be a better franchise. So much of the issue is Adam Gase The Jets have just been so disjointed in their rebuilding efforts. They need to have a complete fresh start, new coach, new Gm and build to a singular vision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, bobobonators said: Clemson Tigers QB Trevor Lawrence hints at staying for senior season rather than opting for NFL draft https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/clemson-tigers-qb-trevor-lawrence-hints-staying-senior/story?id=73861151 Pretty misleading title right there. He left the door open, but it sounds like he’s still leaning towards coming out. I get the Jets are a joke, but what’s he going do hold out so he can go to the Jaguars or Washington Football team? As others pointed out there is no guaranty the Jets don’t get the first pick in 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: Pretty misleading title right there. He left the door open, but it sounds like he’s still leaning towards coming out. I get the Jets are a joke, but what’s he going do hold out so he can go to the Jaguars or Washington Football team? As others pointed out there is no guaranty the Jets don’t get the first pick in 2022. I’d be shocked if he stays in college, but he already stated he’s going pro after this year. He definitely walked back those comments, which is worth noting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 16 hours ago, LeviF91 said: Cowboys could reasonably tank at this point and hit reset on their coaching staff. He's a southern boy and Dallas is a big football market. Are the Giants getting what they want out of Daniel Jones? Good ownership there and a big market. I don't think Atlanta is ready to give up on Matt Ryan yet but they suck. The Falcons would drop Ryan like a hot charcoal if they had a chance to get Trevor. He grew up close by and is the best prospect since John Elway. Btw, almost every team in the NFL would want to sign this kid. I could very easily be wrong, but I expect the Jets to "earn" the rights to him, and for him to sign. Doesn't the 1st pick get 35 million guaranteed? Yolo says that he is engaged; let's see how the new bride feels about him turning down this cash and going back to school. Yes, there are certainly many factors involved and perhaps I think too much about money, but I just can't see the kid saying no to 35 or so million and NYC endorsements. Jmo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said: The Falcons would drop Ryan like a hot charcoal if they had a chance to get Trevor. He grew up close by and is the best prospect since John Elway. Btw, almost every team in the NFL would want to sign this kid. I could very easily be wrong, but I expect the Jets to "earn" the rights to him, and for him to sign. Doesn't the 1st pick get 35 million guaranteed? Yolo says that he is engaged; let's see how the new bride feels about him turning down this cash and going back to school. Yes, there are certainly many factors involved and perhaps I think too much about money, but I just can't see the kid saying no to 35 or so million and NYC endorsements. Jmo. Depends what they do in the offseason prior to the draft - assuming they get pick #1. I think they make a play for Joe Brady and try and make it a desirable destination. Continue to rebuild the line - Thuney would look good next to becton. Try and make a play for Skura. Maybe see about getting beckhams contract for pennies on the dollar. Drake/Fournette should be much cheaper than a year ago. Lot of FA WRs - Fuller, Jones, Golladay, JuJu. Trade darnold for whatever you can get. Can dump crowder, fant, van roten, anderson, for like 5M dead money and free up even more space. Essentially - you rebuild that offense from ground up to surround lawrence with talent. That way you can use the other 1st, 2nd, and 3rds for young defensive help. You get mosely back, can draft a corner or two - add a pass rusher somehow. If they use their money right they can make it a quick 2 year rebuild and not ruin lawrence. Edited October 28, 2020 by dneveu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 43 minutes ago, dneveu said: Depends what they do in the offseason prior to the draft - assuming they get pick #1. I think they make a play for Joe Brady and try and make it a desirable destination. Continue to rebuild the line - Thuney would look good next to becton. Try and make a play for Skura. Maybe see about getting beckhams contract for pennies on the dollar. Drake/Fournette should be much cheaper than a year ago. Lot of FA WRs - Fuller, Jones, Golladay, JuJu. Trade darnold for whatever you can get. Can dump crowder, fant, van roten, anderson, for like 5M dead money and free up even more space. Essentially - you rebuild that offense from ground up to surround lawrence with talent. That way you can use the other 1st, 2nd, and 3rds for young defensive help. You get mosely back, can draft a corner or two - add a pass rusher somehow. If they use their money right they can make it a quick 2 year rebuild and not ruin lawrence. All of your points are valid. As I said, there are many factors involved. I didn't know that he was engaged, which could work for, or even against him singing with the Jets. His fiancée could possibly hate or crave NYC life. Now, her opinion has equal weight to his (if he is smart). If he gets married before he signs the contract, guess who is entitled to 1/2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 53 minutes ago, dneveu said: Depends what they do in the offseason prior to the draft - assuming they get pick #1. I think they make a play for Joe Brady and try and make it a desirable destination. Continue to rebuild the line - Thuney would look good next to becton. Try and make a play for Skura. Maybe see about getting beckhams contract for pennies on the dollar. Drake/Fournette should be much cheaper than a year ago. Lot of FA WRs - Fuller, Jones, Golladay, JuJu. Trade darnold for whatever you can get. Can dump crowder, fant, van roten, anderson, for like 5M dead money and free up even more space. Essentially - you rebuild that offense from ground up to surround lawrence with talent. That way you can use the other 1st, 2nd, and 3rds for young defensive help. You get mosely back, can draft a corner or two - add a pass rusher somehow. If they use their money right they can make it a quick 2 year rebuild and not ruin lawrence. Unless the Jets get a HC and a GM who work together, and then get the owner to just fade into the background none of what you correctly stated will come to fruition. It would be a-shame for them as the potential for vast improvement is certainly there. As a Bills fan I hope they screw the pooch yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Just now, Don Otreply said: Unless the Jets get a HC and a GM who work together, and then get the owner to just fade into the background none of what you correctly stated will come to fruition. It would be a-shame for them as the potential for vast improvement is certainly there. As a Bills fan I hope they screw the pooch yet again. Gotta fire everyone. Gase, douglas, get em all gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Now this is taking it a bit far to avoid going to the Jets, Trevor. Edited October 30, 2020 by YoloinOhio 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Is Lawrence as good a prospect as Andrew Luck was? I'd have to give the edge to Luck imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 See you in the Meadowlands redneck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Raleigh • √eff said: Is Lawrence as good a prospect as Andrew Luck was? I'd have to give the edge to Luck imo. Luck >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Luck >> I don’t follow college much at all, but it feels like from my perspective, Lawrence was supposed to be this all time prospect and he wowed people as a freshman, but it never all came together... now the narrative is bigger than the player? am I missing on that take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I don’t follow college much at all, but it feels like from my perspective, Lawrence was supposed to be this all time prospect and he wowed people as a freshman, but it never all came together... now the narrative is bigger than the player? am I missing on that take? Trevor was unreal as a freshman. Was really good last year, but you started to see that he’s playing with bonkers talent around him. Lots of jump balls and guys making plays for him. Then he really struggled in the Natty. So far this year, he’s been pretty on point but struggled against Syracuse last week... because Clemson inexplicably struggles with Syracuse every year. He’s much more marketable than Luck though. Edited October 30, 2020 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I don’t follow college much at all, but it feels like from my perspective, Lawrence was supposed to be this all time prospect and he wowed people as a freshman, but it never all came together... now the narrative is bigger than the player? am I missing on that take? I really just think he’s not that accurate. Can be erratic, his WR have saved him many times. I mean I’d still take him #1. He’s extremely talented. But that’s Just my opinion watching him play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 He's like John Madden, afraid to fly? * Only took me ten days to read the 'other' meaning of the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 14 hours ago, whatdrought said: I don’t follow college much at all, but it feels like from my perspective, Lawrence was supposed to be this all time prospect and he wowed people as a freshman, but it never all came together... now the narrative is bigger than the player? am I missing on that take? yea still a top prospect but he has not developed into some generational prospect like Luck was. but it seems like that narrative he had going as a freshman has lingered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: yea still a top prospect but he has not developed into some generational prospect like Luck was. but it seems like that narrative he had going as a freshman has lingered. Lot of intriguing QB’s this year, from what I gather. Will be interesting to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIrvine Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Plus he probably has the best running back in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 OMG even after a lackluster career that has ended, Andrew Luck is still being worshipped. Yes, Luck was touted as the greatest prospect ever. That much is true. That said, it is pointless to compare Lawrence as a prospect to Luck as a prospect. Prospect by definition means the results remain unknown. Does Lawrence project as the next Tom Brady in terms of results? If so he goes number one easily. Does he project as Luck In terms of results and go in the 2nd or 3rd round? Sam Bowie was a better prospect than Michael Jordan. That no longer matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Sam Bowie was a better prospect than Michael Jordan. That no longer matters. Yeah, but can Jordan jam good with Weird and Gilly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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