Livinginthepast Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, Billever76 said: Is their any doubt that FRAZIER is deathly afraid of the lower percentage deep ball that he neglects all the other ways a team can beat you?.....we would be better suited to play the run and short to intermediate field and be prone to getting beat once in awhile deep than gashed all game on long 17 play drives killing your defense and demoralizing your offense Yes and not to mention all those runs just keep wearing down our defense to the point where they are exhausted by the half! Frazier either cannot or is not allowed to make adjustments in game. He just stares like a deer in the headlights. Its almost Jauron like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 35 minutes ago, Do The Reich Thing said: Play straight up and give up a few either way. They must’ve averaged 7+ yards a carry with four backup linemen. The Bills defense is dreadful. Stop trying to find a positive. There isn’t one. I picked the Bills Defense for a fantasy team. I was about to drop them before this game but kept them. They “should” do better vs the Jets but I may need to dump them if this continues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 46 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: People putting a lot of eggs in the Milano basket. For a very good reason. The drop off is huge. It’s a weakness we have, and it’s real. It sucks, but it’s very real. I expect that to be addressed before next year in some way, with or without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 34 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Of course the Bills played a classic cover 2 and wouldn’t give up deep shots the thing is Andy adjusted and ran it..their online beat the Bills Dline...Bills need to have some kind of running game to control the line a scrimmage since they really don’t have one Agreed... It was not so much about the gameplan as it was the Bills D-Line just getting destroyed at the line of scrimmage...They have no one that can hold up in there...Then when they did get them into decent 3rd Down situations they did basically nothing...No pressure, and allowed Mahomes to escape easily...Same thing Tannehill did to them last game...And the Chiefs Offensive gameplan was similar to what the Pats have done to us when we sold out to defend Brady in the past...The main difference being Mahomes scrambling... It's really ugly on that side of the ball right now...I see some folks getting excited about an undersized Practice Squad guy making a couple plays and all I can think is how did we get here? That kid should not be on the field because we went out and spent money on the D-Line, drafted Oliver, etc...Vernon Butler was supposed to be the anchor in there with Star out, but he's a blown up 3-4 DE...It's sad really...And McDermott has his work cut out for him with this bunch...There's no physicality at all...Honestly they look like they are on roller-skates out there half the time...😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 We ran with the Super Bowl Champions until the end. We can beat these teams. DON'T PANIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, Billznut said: No doubt we will meet them again in January. Without different players, the results will be the same. No doubt we’ll meet them in January? The way we are playing we won’t be playing in January. 4 minutes ago, Irv said: We ran with the Super Bowl Champions until the end. We can beat these teams. DON'T PANIC. We were never down by less than 2 scores at any point in the second half when we had the ball. We didn’t run with them at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: That run D is horrible but overall the defensive gameplan worked... if the O had done its part. If the run D is only a question of players and not of schemes and coaches, the Bills will be bled all year long That was a successful Defensive plan?? The Chiefs dictated to the Defense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: That was a successful Defensive plan?? The Chiefs dictated to the Defense KC is known for its long plays and quick scoring drives. You saw one today, besides the drive with the two DUMB 15 yard penalties? If that fumble at the end had indeed been a fumble, the Bills could have won the game! Think about it. The run D stunk to high heavens, but if the O had been just a tad better, the Bills could have won. So, yes, good defensive gameplan IMO. Expect that when you realize the DL can't do its job, run blitz, do something! They only did at the end and it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, DollaBills said: My thoughts too I just would like to see turnovers and such from the secondary(remember when we were like top 3 passing defense?) You seen the QBs we played against last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said: People putting a lot of eggs in the Milano basket. That's because all the other baskets have holes in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Irv said: People a freaking out but, Mahomes spelled it out clearly. Bills were protecting deep and gave up the running and middle passing game. They took what we gave them and won. The plan didn't work. They're the Super Bowl Champions and probably could have burned us on long passing plays if we gave them that instead. Let's win the division and figure out how to beat some of these better teams without firing the whole coaching staff and burning down the stadium. Milano would have helped. We'll see Tennessee or KC again. No doubt. We'll learn and we'll be ready. Milano is LT in his prime? I must have missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, wvbillsfan said: It’s an unpopular opinion but the game plan almost worked. They can't hear you over the crackling of torch fire and clanging of pitch forks. We have seen our D play bad for half a season and get it together in the second half before but somebody's gotta step up. Edited October 20, 2020 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said: People putting a lot of eggs in the Milano basket. He honestly might be our best Defensive player... I definitely think he's our most important Edited October 20, 2020 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Milano is LT in his prime? I must have missed that. The legend of Milano 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: He honestly might be our best Defensive player... I definitely think he's our most important The way Tre is playing, probably. However, those expecting this defense to suddenly do a 180 if and when he ever returns to the field might be setting expectations a tad high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Milano is LT in his prime? I must have missed that. Not LT but Milano, Star and Tre are the most important pieces of this D. Star ain't playing this year. We need Milano and Tre healthy. Tre changes one side of the field and a healthy Milano makes plays that aren't being made right now. Say what you want but Milano is a play maker with excellent pass coverage skills. He makes a big difference in the type of passing game we faced tonight. Just ask Tom Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The Bills simply we’re out coached. It happens. Allen was out quarterbacked. The only way we would have won is with 250 rushing yards. Would like to see us run the ball 90 times for 500 yards next Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 hours ago, stevestojan said: So, in other words, we were ***** either way? No, the offense only scored on 3 drives. Needed to score on 5 drives and we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: The legend of Milano The way Tre is playing, probably. However, those expecting this defense to suddenly do a 180 if and when he ever returns to the field might be setting expectations a tad high. I think what we expect is to have one less weakness to exploit. If we have one or two more 3rd down stops or one of those tipped balls is picked then we may have a different outcome. In 3 games this season he has 1 sack, 2 QB hits and 1int. Edited October 20, 2020 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said: People putting a lot of eggs in the Milano basket. Exactly. Our undersized often injured LB is now the defensive leader. Yikes. We just don't have the personnel to beat KC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh or Tenn. this year. At this point I'd be happy to beat NE once and squeak out the AFCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Yes. The Titans and Chief did the same thing to us. Only difference is that our OL cannot run block and Josh lacked patience and accuracy to take the short stuff consistently. KC DL got much better pressure as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I rather have the chiefs air it out than have them run the ball down our throats. More mistakes happen in the passing than rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, GETTOTHE50 said: I rather have the chiefs air it out than have them run the ball down our throats. More mistakes happen in the passing than rushing. Yeah it was a lame game plan but it did almost work its tough. I would have rather seen them man up and just play rather then this cowardly planning not to lose ***** 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Of course the Bills played a classic cover 2 and wouldn’t give up deep shots the thing is Andy adjusted and ran it..their online beat the Bills Dline...Bills need to have some kind of running game to control the line a scrimmage since they really don’t have one Chiefs played 7 D very close to LOS all day we had 4 our LBs are 5-8 yards deep so very easy for their OL to get to second level since ya have 5 on 4 blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Irv said: People a freaking out but, Mahomes spelled it out clearly. Bills were protecting deep and gave up the running and middle passing game. They took what we gave them and won. The plan didn't work. They're the Super Bowl Champions and probably could have burned us on long passing plays if we gave them that instead. Let's win the division and figure out how to beat some of these better teams without firing the whole coaching staff and burning down the stadium. Milano would have helped. We'll see Tennessee or KC again. No doubt. We'll learn and we'll be ready. Plan could have worked if the Bills weren’t so bad on 3rd down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Jerome007 said: KC is known for its long plays and quick scoring drives. You saw one today, besides the drive with the two DUMB 15 yard penalties? If that fumble at the end had indeed been a fumble, the Bills could have won the game! Think about it. The run D stunk to high heavens, but if the O had been just a tad better, the Bills could have won. So, yes, good defensive gameplan IMO. Expect that when you realize the DL can't do its job, run blitz, do something! They only did at the end and it worked. The Bills D didn't force the Chiefs to run all over them (lol). They Chiefs chose to--it was their Offensive plan. The weather was bad and once they saw that they could run at will, there was need for Mahomes, with a top passing Offense , to throw the ball. The Defense lost them that game. I will give Frazier and McD the benefit of the doubt and assume that was not how they drew it up. Edited October 20, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 hours ago, stevestojan said: So, in other words, we were ***** either way? No. Better execution on offense and we win 27-26 or 31-26. Holding KC to 26 is not that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 hours ago, RichRiderBills said: With everything still came down to stupid plays or near misses; the missed strip, the bad Tre and Poyer late hits, the terrible series where we could not convert a 3rd down ( on the rescinded off setting) .....came close in a gut check game. Gut check season. Bills are decent...we need to cowboy up and get ready for Jests, boys....still love this team. Don't forget the dropped INTs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Irv said: People a freaking out but, Mahomes spelled it out clearly. Bills were protecting deep and gave up the running and middle passing game. They took what we gave them and won. The plan didn't work. They're the Super Bowl Champions and probably could have burned us on long passing plays if we gave them that instead. Let's win the division and figure out how to beat some of these better teams without firing the whole coaching staff and burning down the stadium. Milano would have helped. We'll see Tennessee or KC again. No doubt. We'll learn and we'll be ready. how is this ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The Bills D didn't force the Chiefs to run all over them (lol). They Chiefs chose to--it was their Offensive plan. The weather was bad and once they saw that they could run at will, there was need for Mahomes, with a top passing Offense , to throw the ball. The Defense lost them that game. I will give Frazier and McD the benefit of the doubt and assume that was not how they drew it up. My point was certainly NOT that the gameplan was to have the Chiefs trample them on the ground, come on now LOL But Mahomes himself said they took what the Bills gave t hem, and again, with a more decent offense as the coaching staff could realistically expect, the Bills were in the game. They were close even by being blown out in the trenches on both sides of the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Frustrating game, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 7 hours ago, JohnNord said: KC DL got much better pressure as well Chris Jones and Frank Clark are beasts. We need a Frank Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 14 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said: People putting a lot of eggs in the Milano basket. Is it just me or does eggs Milano sound like a breakfast at Sbarro? 14 hours ago, RichRiderBills said: With everything still came down to stupid plays or near misses; the missed strip, the bad Tre and Poyer late hits, the terrible series where we could not convert a 3rd down ( on the rescinded off setting) .....came close in a gut check game. Gut check season. Bills are decent...we need to cowboy up and get ready for Jests, boys....still love this team. Tre didn’t even get his moneys worth- it was a half hearted late hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 14 hours ago, Irv said: People a freaking out but, Mahomes spelled it out clearly. Bills were protecting deep and gave up the running and middle passing game. They took what we gave them and won. The plan didn't work. They're the Super Bowl Champions and probably could have burned us on long passing plays if we gave them that instead. Let's win the division and figure out how to beat some of these better teams without firing the whole coaching staff and burning down the stadium. Milano would have helped. We'll see Tennessee or KC again. No doubt. We'll learn and we'll be ready. I'm not convinced of this. Every time the Bills face a game that is a level-up they fail. And the fans are left with morale victories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I'm not convinced of this. Every time the Bills face a game that is a level-up they fail. And the fans are left with morale victories. My morale sure doesn’t feel victorious Edited October 20, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Jerome007 said: My point was certainly NOT that the gameplan was to have the Chiefs trample them on the ground, come on now LOL But Mahomes himself said they took what the Bills gave t hem, and again, with a more decent offense as the coaching staff could realistically expect, the Bills were in the game. They were close even by being blown out in the trenches on both sides of the ball. 3 plays would have changed that game. Bass makes the fg, Norman holds on to the INT and gives Josh a short field, and Zimmer's strip comes a second early. If the Bills get 2 out of those 3 and they have a legitimate shot at winning the game. They also eliminated Tyreek Hill and tried to limit Travis Kelce. It was a pick your poison game, and the Bills chose CEH. As frustrating as it was, the Bills needed to make 2-3 more plays to have a legitimate shot at winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 17 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said: People putting a lot of eggs in the Milano basket. Should he is their best 'egg' defensivly speaking in my opinion. The guy covers a good chunk of the middle of the field-- the spot that has been the Achilles heel these past games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jerome007 said: My point was certainly NOT that the gameplan was to have the Chiefs trample them on the ground, come on now LOL But Mahomes himself said they took what the Bills gave t hem, and again, with a more decent offense as the coaching staff could realistically expect, the Bills were in the game. They were close even by being blown out in the trenches on both sides of the ball. My guess is that the Chiefs could have scored whenever they needed to to win the game (they did so in the 2nd half to keep the Bills 9-10 points away). Until then, they knew they were gashing the Bills D from the coin toss. The Chiefs D is better than the Bills D (and they saw the Bills O was struggling), so they just wanted protect the ball in bad weather, grind down the clock (the TOP disparity was embarrassing). If they needed a shootout, Reid would, simply have dialed one up. Edited October 21, 2020 by Mr. WEO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 The thing that got me most was that the Chiefs ran off the left side so many times. They must have seen a weakness on our DL right side. That gap was there over and over again. Was it Klein? Seemed to me a lot of it was. Could not fill that gap. There is no way anybody does that to us again. We will adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Some of that may be true but our problems are bigger than scheme. Qb pressure is awful. LBs lack nastiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 A big part of the problem was our O not scoring and going 3 and out twice to start the second half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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