daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, billsfan89 said: The gameplan was likely to dare KC to run and throw short. Hopefully you then force a turnover or two and a few field goals. You then hope your vaunted offense could score on limited possessions on long drives. Josh punted twice on two possessions in the third and Bass missed a kick late in the half. That was the game. That's a HOOOORBILE game plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 This is making the Jim Schwartz - Rex Ryan regression look mild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, gobills404 said: I know it's not why we lost, but why was klein playing over dodson? Because the Chiefs were running almost every down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: I think the point of the game plan was to bet that Andy reid doesn't stay with the run His history shows he won't. Strangely did for once today I'm guessing he could have passed and won too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: I'm tired of this Defense. So terrible. I'd say maybe once we get Milano back healthy and maybe trade for a good run stuffing DT (yes I really think they miss Star this year) that we'll get better, but frankly I don't actually think that'll happen. Basically Allen needs to carry the team almost every game, but a combination of primetime jitters on his part and an offensive game plan that won't simply acknowledge that is going to keep this team in that "good, but not good enough" territory. So frustrating. I think they need to cut Butler and go after Snacks Harrison or another big body DT. Play Zimmer more. That and Milano coming back should help somewhat. But what's going to be a harder sell is getting more from the pass rush. If I were Beane I would call up Minny and see if they want a 2nd for Yannick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, TroutDog said: Says it all. Like I said. We miss Star. Gotta trade for a big run-stuffing DL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: Uhhh, we might need some run stopping and some pass coverage too We played a lot of 7 men in the box. Sometimes even 6. We need a big body for sure but the pass rush is more alarming. We have struggled to get to the QB even when blitzing. And its more embarrassing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 After the performance against TN, I really had higher hopes for the coaching staff. I was ready to end up w/ a loss & be okay with it. But not like that. We just DID NOT SHOW. For the 2nd week in a row. It's fairly inexcusable. If you lose, leave it all out there. I felt like we spent the whole game worrying that they'd get an 80 yarder to Hill for a TD. And Poyer this week, and Espanza last week. I can hear Marv Levy in my head - don't be dumb, don't be dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Watching your DL get bullied will have that affect on people No what is concerning is the players are starting to tune Frazier out they don't like his defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, daz28 said: So the D's game plan was let AR slice and dice us with 46 runs, and you call that a success. More like they did what they wanted, and loved every second of it. Get smashed in the mouth over and over again with no answer deserved the slow methodical beat down we got IMO.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I’m just happy about the score. Most people didn’t watch it, so they’ll truly think we only lost by nine. Also, that fumble at the end that want a fumble was just not good for my heart. My liver is already kaput, leave the ticker alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: We played a lot of 7 men in the box. Sometimes even 6. We need a big body for sure but the pass rush is more alarming. We have struggled to get to the QB even when blitzing. And its more embarrassing We need McDermott's defense not Frazier's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: I'm guessing he could have passed and won too Probably. They are the better team, anyone with the thought the bills are better than the super bowl champs is out to lunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: I've seen at least 2 people say our defensive game plan was good. I'm not sure I live on the same planet as those people Leslie needs to be a healthy scratch for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 would again like to repeast that the Bills were playing 5-6 man fronts, and the Backers rarely came up until well after the Ball carrier got the ball...they were almost always playing pass out of Shotgun. They were perfectly happy allowing CEH getting 5-6 yards a pop. You saw what happened in the 4th when the Bills D decided to play run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: That's a HOOOORBILE game plan It worked in the first half when the offense was able to move the ball. One 52 yard kick and they go in tied. It is a bad plan in that it demands near perfection from Josh to at least get 3 points on each possession. But then again any gameplan against KC demands 30ish points on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, stevestojan said: Leslie needs to be a healthy scratch for the rest of the season. If I wasn't Leslie Howinkle I wouldn't be here now would i?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, appoo said: Honestly I thought Daboll gave up on Allen too soon. He was bad in the 1st Q, but he should have gotten back to the spread offense in the 2nd and 3rd. He didn't go back to it until the emergency TD drive that Allen spearheaded. On THE critical drive in the fourth quarter they went I-formation and handed to Moss for a paltry gain. Neither that formation nor that player have worked ALL YEAR. That was Daboll’s play calling in the critical moments of the game. He thinks it’s like New England where you can just shape-shift into a power running team whenever you need to. But his coaches and players (especially his running game coordinators) lack sufficient attention to detail to pull this off and he has to know better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: We played a lot of 7 men in the box. Sometimes even 6. We need a big body for sure but the pass rush is more alarming. We have struggled to get to the QB even when blitzing. And its more embarrassing I actually didn't hate the pass rush tonight. effing Mahomes. We actually moved him around pretty good. He just made plays, damn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Also, love Diggs, but that stroll back to the LOS didn’t make me happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 We held the SB champs to under 30 so imo our Defense did their job I don't like the fact that our OL was exposed as a bunch of stiffs We have no smashmouth run game. We have smurfs who can catch and are quick but can't move the pile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I know a lot of us thought this isn’t the same Bills team that went 4-0 and then sucked. I know I did. But the only thing that made us even think that was the play of Josh Allen. Our defense as talented as it is. Has not won us a game yet. Maybe the raiders game but they were a problem before they were the solution in that one as well. And Josh Allen has forgotten how to throw the ball. I don’t know what’s going on. Could it be the shoulder? But he looked smooth, in control, decisive, and confident in the first 4 games. The coaching staff was also confident in him. Now he is not those same things. He is a mess. And the coaching staff clearly isn’t confident in him either. So is this the same old Bills? Or will we turn it around? Because we look really bad right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Sadly no comments about our inept O-line and running game. If we can't get past their front four running the ball, teams are just gonna sit in zone all game. I think the fact that the defense gave up 250 yards rushing at 6 yards a carry and 470 yards totally overshadowed the fact that the Bills still can't run the ball and are terrible at run blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: McDermott has to take it over. There is two different defenses on the Bills when McDermott calls the plays they are more aggressive they line 7 guys on the line of scrimmage drop linemen into coverage they are costly hitting the QB. Frazier does not know what he is doing anymore it is cover 2 that's it. I think there are much bigger problems on defense than coaching. DL nowhere near good enough, LBs are stumbling around without Milano and secondary has regressed badly - some due to no pass rush... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: We need McDermott's defense not Frazier's Honestly they should fire Frazier and cut someone on the D-line (I would say Butler), sign another run stuffing DT and play Zimmer more. This defense needs to have some more fire under them. I feel they have gotten a bit soft with a lot of players getting paid. Firing the DC and cutting a player can send a message to the team that you are still playing for your jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, appoo said: I actually didn't hate the pass rush tonight. effing Mahomes. We actually moved him around pretty good. He just made plays, damn it. You could say that about last week too, but we left the outside scramble wide open then. Today we decided to leave the middle open and got gashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, stevestojan said: Also, love Diggs, but that stroll back to the LOS didn’t make me happy. Diggs acted like a little girl tonight. This team is off. Something in the locker room/off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydboy12 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Game plan seemed to be to not get blown out. That is almost as demoralizing as actually getting blown out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 We are good at beating bad teams , that’s all we got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 KC knew before the game and was even more pleasantly surprised that they could beat us running the ball. Easy day at the office for them. Mahomes and the WR basically had a bye week. Meanwhile our D looks like it needs a nap and long vacation. Our O is back to looking more like a gadget broken play offense of prior years than what we saw week 2-4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This won't be popular but defense was fine in this game... run defense doesn't matter. If you stop the Chiefs from hitting big plays you're playing well against them. The best defense against the run is a good passing offense and today we didn't have it. Allen is moving in the wrong direction. That's why we lost. appreciate that perspective, and we did need to do better on O. but you need to stop the run and pass. the D was the problem, it let KC drive down the field to make it a 2 score game. The O was also subpar, but the D has been a season long issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Floydboy12 said: Game plan seemed to be to not get blown out. That is almost as demoralizing as actually getting blown out. Jauron game but he would have held KC to 17 and lost 17-10. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, OldTimer1960 said: I think there are much bigger problems on defense than coaching. DL nowhere near good enough, LBs are stumbling around without Milano and secondary has regressed badly - some due to no pass rush... Milano coming back should help the LB play. I think they should also fire Frazier and cut Butler and sign Snack Harrison or another big stuffing DT (Also play Zimmer more dude played hard out there.) Those things should improve the defense. But the pass rush might be a harder fix. If I were Beane I am calling Minny and offering a 2nd round pick for Yannick and then cutting Murphy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The Bills have failed the old adage of run and stop the run. We won't beat good teams until that gets fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, appoo said: The Chiefs literally just did it to the Bills. um, no. The Bills just broke on D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Steptide said: I know everyone's pissed right now, and yes the defense (and offense) looked pretty pathetic tonight, but part of me wonders how much this re arrangement of the schedule threw off the bills MOJO. If they play this bad vs the jets then I'll start getting really worried A good team wouldnt get thrown off balance like that, not this badly. But I agree, its not gloom and doom unless we play like that against a bad team. TN and KC are elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: Honestly they should fire Frazier and cut someone on the D-line (I would say Butler), sign another run stuffing DT and play Zimmer more. This defense needs to have some more fire under them. I feel they have gotten a bit soft with a lot of players getting paid. Firing the DC and cutting a player can send a message to the team that you are still playing for your jobs. I guess you didn't see Zimmer getting steamrolled on the interior running plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Floydboy12 said: Game plan seemed to be to not get blown out. That is almost as demoralizing as actually getting blown out. Game Plan was to limit the number of possession and hope the offense was good enough to score consistently on long drives. It worked somewhat in the first half when the team was one 52 yard field goal away from being tied. But in the second half Josh led the offense to two punts. That was the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 We are way too quick to panic. You millenials didn't live through the decade of fail. We held the Sb champs and the best Qb to within 9 The decade of fail Bills would have folded up their tent by half time 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I mean not for nothing but that guy is both getting older and took a lot of shots to the head. ikr he's like a tottering old uncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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