Call_Of_Ktulu 2,372 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Unless they drastically change the rules where QB that run with the football get a automatic 10 yard Lamar is done. Lamar is TT with elite athletic ability. That might get u to the playoffs but you will never win a super bowl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Do The Reich Thing 981 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Man, I really like Lamar Jackson. The man gets criticized as much as Josh Allen by everyone. I hope he can bounce back and continue to defy expectations. He is someone I’ll always root for unless he’s playing the Bills. 7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott7975 2,863 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 38 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: possible he wins another one. Bills figured out how to stop him hmm. Not like the huge wind had anything to do with that? Did you not notice that Allen wasn’t on his A game tonight? .. He was sacked 4 times because he couldnt read the defense. That had nothing to do with wind. He threw an INT because he stared down his receiver on a play they run all the time and never saw the corner sitting there ready to jump the ball. That had nothing to do with wind either. The guy is a great athlete but either he isnt being developed because they are happy running the football or he can't be developed because he doesn't have the arm/smarts to pass the football. Either way its not good. Stopping him means keeping him from running all over you which has nothing to do with wind either. Edited January 17 by Scott7975 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Gun 1,272 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 18 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I am not even saying Lamar is an elite QB, but the hate on him is surreal to me. He is inarguably a top 10 QB and is under 25 years of age, and has won an MVP, like give the kid a break bud... Allen Herbert Burrow Rogers Watson Wilson Brady Mayfield Mahomes Prescott Soon to be Trevor Lawrence Those are the guys all GMs would take over Lamar. Then there are the maybe guys like Tua Darnold Goff Tannehill Cousins Stafford Ryan Carr He is not a top 10 QB. If he was all GMs would want him and I dont think that is the case. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillsFan130 1,927 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Big Gun said: Allen Herbert Burrow Rogers Watson Wilson Brady Mayfield Mahomes Prescott Soon to be Trevor Lawrence Those are the guys all GMs would take over Lamar. Then there are the maybe guys like Tua Darnold Goff Tannehill Cousins Stafford Ryan Carr He is not a top 10 QB. If he was all GMs would want him and I dont think that is the case. Is this list a joke?.... 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott7975 2,863 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 33 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I am not even saying Lamar is an elite QB, but the hate on him is surreal to me. He is inarguably a top 10 QB and is under 25 years of age, and has won an MVP, like give the kid a break bud... No, he isn't a top 10 qb. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Gun 1,272 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: Is this list a joke?.... No your a joke for thinking he is a top 10 QB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillsFan130 1,927 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: He was sacked 4 times because he couldnt read the defense. That had nothing to do with wind. He threw an INT because he stared down his receiver on a play they run all the time and never saw the corner sitting there ready to jump the ball. That had nothing to do with wind either. The guy is a great athlete but either he isnt being developed because they are happy running the football or he can't be developed because he doesn't have the arm/smarts to pass the football. Either way its not good. Stopping him means keeping him from running all over you which has nothing to do with wind either. He is a vertical passer. Yes the wind had a huge impact as the bills were basically able to put 8-9 guys up close all game. INT was bad and had nothing with the wind i will give you that. But if you think the wind had nothing to do with his performance tonight, then you clearly have not watched him play much Just now, Big Gun said: No your a joke for thinking he is a top 10 QB. tua... over lamar?..... Dude..... Edited January 17 by BillsFan130 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Gun 1,272 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 14 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: He is a vertical passer. Yes the wind had a huge impact as the bills were basically able to put 8-9 guys up close all game. INT was bad and had nothing with the wind i will give you that. But if you think the wind had nothing to do with his performance tonight, then you clearly have not watched him play much tua... over lamar?..... Dude..... Pay attention, I put Tua in the maybe category. I'm not a Tua fan myself but I could definantly see GMs picking him over Lamar. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Penfield45 1,226 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 25 minutes ago, Do The Reich Thing said: Man, I really like Lamar Jackson. The man gets criticized as much as Josh Allen by everyone. I hope he can bounce back and continue to defy expectations. He is someone I’ll always root for unless he’s playing the Bills. yup He had the back pick 6 yes but kept them in the game with those terrible high snaps. also Greg Roman has no idea how to call pass plays. Lamar is very young and will learn 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richard Noggin 941 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Hasn't Roman failed to develop a QB, beyond the gimmicky RPOs and Read-Options and QB designed runs, at THREE (3) different stops now? Kaepernick, Taylor, and now Jackson have all failed to progress into dangerous passers once NFL defenses adjust to the dual threat stuff. "Make him a QB" has been and is STILL the way to defense these Roman QBs. Maybe it's also the OC. Maybe. (I'm not sold, necessarily, just sayin.) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy1 283 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I don’t understand the obsession some people have with trying to convince people that someone else will fail. Lamar is a talented guy with exceptional running ability and some limitations as a passer. He can still improve as Josh has. His talent will win them a lot of games. Their receiver routes are pretty basic in Romans offense too. The Bills defense was exceptional tonight. That is the story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Frankish Reich 1,662 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, Andy1 said: I don’t understand the obsession some people have with trying to convince people that someone else will fail. Lamar is a talented guy with exceptional running ability and some limitations as a passer. He can still improve as Josh has. His talent will win them a lot of games. Their receiver routes are pretty basic in Romans offense too. The Bills defense was exceptional tonight. That is the story. Well I hope you're ready for next weekend when the conversation will be centered on why Mahomes is simply a product of Andy Reid's scheme. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GETTOTHE50 1,677 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said: Hasn't Roman failed to develop a QB, beyond the gimmicky RPOs and Read-Options and QB designed runs, at THREE (3) different stops now? Kaepernick, Taylor, and now Jackson have all failed to progress into dangerous passers once NFL defenses adjust to the dual threat stuff. "Make him a QB" has been and is STILL the way to defense these Roman QBs. Maybe it's also the OC. Maybe. (I'm not sold, necessarily, just sayin.) None of those guys listed could properly read a defense or throw a receiver open on a consistent basis. Roman has worked miracles to make those QBs as successful as they were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LABILLBACKER 4,144 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Unless they drastically change the rules where QB that run with the football get a automatic 10 yard Lamar is done. Lamar is TT with elite athletic ability. That might get u to the playoffs but you will never win a super bowl I said from the moment he was drafted that unless he turns into a pocket qb he will eventually suffer the same fate as Vick & RG3. He's not built for the long haul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Norcalbillsfan 244 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Honestly I like lamar, hes not cocky or aragant and he trys to win for his team. But when Harbaugh went all in on jackson for an offense i thought it was a mistake. His mvp season made me look like a fool, but I still felt like he couldn't win at the elite level with his style of play. And the bills showed it tonight, played hard nose football and completely went all in on making lamar beat you with his arm, and the bills came out on top. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richard Noggin 941 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said: None of those guys listed could properly read a defense or throw a receiver open on a consistent basis. Roman has worked miracles to make those QBs as successful as they were. That's definitely the broadly accepted narrative. Pretty sure I agree with it, too. Mostly. But the pattern remains. Roman's offenses plateau, rather than progress. I remember immediately after he was fired in Buffalo I waited on an 8-top table with several o-linemen--namely Incognito and Groy, but definitely another starter or two on the roster that I can't recall--and they were basically celebrating. Drinking heavily and openly pooping on Roman's play-calling, like he was a coordinator who didn't listen to his guys or focus on what they did well but wanted instead to outsmart opposing coordinators. They were not trying to hide their relief. Of course, over the years, I found Incognito in general to be louder and less professional than your average player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Generic_Bills_Fan 309 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Penfield45 said: yup He had the back pick 6 yes but kept them in the game with those terrible high snaps. also Greg Roman has no idea how to call pass plays. Lamar is very young and will learn How will he learn though? They're really not letting him...its not at all his fault Quote Link to post Share on other sites
newcam2012 63 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott7975 said: He was sacked 4 times because he couldnt read the defense. That had nothing to do with wind. He threw an INT because he stared down his receiver on a play they run all the time and never saw the corner sitting there ready to jump the ball. That had nothing to do with wind either. The guy is a great athlete but either he isnt being developed because they are happy running the football or he can't be developed because he doesn't have the arm/smarts to pass the football. Either way its not good. Stopping him means keeping him from running all over you which has nothing to do with wind either. That was pretty harsh. Lamar is a special athlete who can break a game wide open on one play. Granted its usually with his legs. He is not a great passer but he is adequate and does make plays. The wind pretty much took away much of the pass game. Even Allen struggled at times with very good protection. He was 23 for 37 for 206 and 1 TD. Not exactly great. The Lamar int was bad as he did stare down the receiver with ample time to throw. The ravens didn't execute. Several horrific bad snaps. They had many dropped balls and played very conservative on offense. The Bills had constant pressure on Lamar too. There is plenty of blame to go around. Lamar will be fine. He should improve his passing. Certainly, his legs can make up for some of his defiencies. Look at ravens record with Lamar starting. It's very impressive. He won his first playoff game too. I really don't understand the Lamar hate. Edited January 17 by newcam2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Starr Almighty 528 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 To be fair his OL is awful and his WRs are worse. Dez? Really. Maybe if they put some players around him the opposition can't focus on the run as much. Snead lol please 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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