Allen 2020 stats (ALL 19 Games): 68.4% comp, 7.7 YPA, 104.9 Passer Rating, 52 TDs, 17 TOs (offseason talk starts pg 35)

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

THEY PLAYED THE JESTS 🙄. They aren't good. Josh Allen had regressed since 4-0. Watching the Chiefs and the Bucs play shows how far the Bills are from their class. 

 

Yes, Josh Allen is not yet Pat Mahomes or Tom Brady.  Shocking.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Josh Allen always seems to be learning and today it looked like he added the, “playing against zone D” software.

 

A quiet 300 yard game but I’m extremely happy to see him learning.

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

THEY PLAYED THE JESTS 🙄. They aren't good. Josh Allen had regressed since 4-0. Watching the Chiefs and the Bucs play shows how far the Bills are from their class. 

 

Calm down.

 

First of all you can never underestimate the impact of divisional rivalries. Second of all, Allen was playing without John Brown, all but 1 of his TEs and his starting Guard.

 

It wasn’t especially pretty but it was a road divisional W. That's important.

 

In the 2nd half I really think you're undervaluing something: Allen looks like he started figuring out the zone D. Say what you want about the Jets, but Gregg Williams is a darn good D coordinator and you can bet he saw Allen against the zone D against Tennessee and Kansas City. That's super encouraging considering he's about to go up against Belichick.

 

Besides, if Kroft can keep his footing and Davis doesn't have a stupid pre-snap formation penalty, Allen has 350+ yards passing and a couple of TDs to boot.

3 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

If they were a good team they would have covered the spread and been the dominant team many want them to be. Maybe Bills fans should start watching games outside of the Bills and see what  good teams look like. I look at what the Bucs and The Chiefs did today. The Bills wish they were in the same league. 

 

Who cares about the F'in spread other than people focused on making money on NFL games rather than focused on their own team?

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Y"all are just like @JoefromWinslow. Just happy with a win. Doesn't matter if they barely beat the lowly Jests. 🙄

 

How old are you? 

 

You must be a brand new Bills fan.

 

Welcome, but understand that you will ALWAYS take a W for the team you're rooting for and move on to the next week because unlike almost any sport, the NFL is a week to week league.

[Jrb1979]

25 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

How old are you? 

 

You must be a brand new Bills fan.

 

Welcome, but understand that you will ALWAYS take a W for the team you're rooting for and move on to the next week because unlike almost any sport, the NFL is a week to week league.

That's like saying it's hard of win in this league. I look at other teams in the league each week and I see a big difference between the elite teams and the middle of the pack teams like the Bills. After 4 seasons with Mcclappity and Beane I expected the Bills to be in the same league as the Chiefs, Steeles and Titans. Injuries aside they shouldn't have had difficulty with the Jets. I think thats the biggest problem with many Bills fans that have been around since the Rockpile days. This isn't that NFL, it doesn't take 4 years to be a top team. 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

That's like saying it's hard of win in this league. I look at other teams in the league each week and I see a big difference between the elite teams and the middle of the pack teams like the Bills. After 4 seasons with Mcclappity and Beane I expected the Bills to be in the same league as the Chiefs, Steeles and Titans. Injuries aside they shouldn't have had difficulty with the Jets. I think thats the biggest problem with many Bills fans that have been around since the Rockpile days. This isn't that NFL, it doesn't take 4 years to be a top team. 

 

You seem to like football on paper rather than watching actual games played.

 

You said "injuries aside," which is pretty convenient for your apocalyptic perspective. But the fact remains that you can't put those injuries aside. They were part of the equation on top of the Jets getting their rookie WR back and a new offensive play caller and a 2 week "zone defense blueprint on how to defeat Josh Allen." This week Allen managed to overcome being without his starting Guard, his TEs, and the WR he has probably the most longstanding trust in. On top of that our D was clearly playing with half a Milano and without 2 of its 3 top CBS.

 

But we won.

 

You take it, get healthy, and move on happily with the W to the next game.

 

That's the NFL, not your game played on paper.

[Nelius]

Also still has an insane red zone scoring percentage, despite coming up short today. And also still zero red zone interceptions. Allen's so good we're calling his 300 yard games "quiet" and even "hollow" now as SaviorIQ or whatever calls him.

 

Imagine still not buying in on Allen. Not exactly a step in the right direction, basement analysts. Try harder.

 

5 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

Let's watch how the season plays out.  The Bills were "battling for first in the division" in 2018-2019 too.  Then the Pats kicked our teeth in.

If Arizona loses tonight, they will be 2.5 games out of 1st place and will have lost 3 out of 4.

 

 

This Stidham, or maybe Cam Newton led, aerial assault to Jakobi Meyers or the bust that is N'Keal Harry Patriots team isn't kicking anybody's teeth in. They are bad. Believe it folks.

 

5 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Let me guess you're a fan of the Bills from the ancient days. So any improvement is good enough. Sorry but with the parity in the NFL its not hard to win in this league like many seem to believe. 

 

Just quoting for the horrific nature of this take. Can't quite yet determine if it's junior here schooling us on the "ancient days" of 2012 where we desired better quarterback play, or the nonchalant 18 Coors Light deep fueled declaration that it's easy to win in the NFL that's the cherry.

Edited October 26, 2020 by Nelius

[Nelius]

6 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Sorry but it doesn't take 4 years to turn a season around. Winning the division isn't enough. I expect them to be on the same level as the best teams in the league at this point. 

 

The best teams in the league...that regularly win Super Bowls? I can think of maybe one? What in the world is this. Who are the "best teams in the league" that regularly win more than just their divisions?

[BruceVilanch]

6 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

No I have seen teams turn it around quickly. Look at the Bucs. 

Yeah, the bucs got better when they added the best quarterback to ever play the position, imagine that.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Fans need to stop making excuses for Allen. All QB's deal with injuries to the talent around them, it's part of the game.

 

I agree with this in the sense that there is barely a QB in the league who has everything perfect around him at the moment. Even Mahomes is down two starting OL and his #2 receiver.

 

Where I would just take a slightly different view is the presumption that Allen needs excuses making for him. I didn't think he played very well in the first half last night and listening to Josh nor did he, but he put his big boy pants on second half and came out and played a really good 2nd half. If people are looking at Josh as the reason we didn't win more convincingly last night they are looking at the wrong thing.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

That's all fine and good but it was against the Jets... He could not play well against better competition when given the chance the two games prior. Will he be able to play better against teams such as the Steelers? I'm very skeptical of that...

 

But I don't think he needs excusing making for those games before they happen. And I agree Josh was not great against the Titans or the Chiefs. The Titans loss I don't really put on him.... the defense and special teams lost us that game. The Kansas City game was more on Josh. Not entirely on him.... the whole offense struggled, but your Quarterback has to play better in that game, no doubt.

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Fans need to stop making excuses for Allen. All QB's deal with injuries to the talent around them, it's part of the game.

 

Don't need much of an excuse for him.

 

He played a good game. No INTs. Over 300 yards passing. Almost 8 YPA. One TD wiped out by a pre snap questionable formation penalty.

 

Apparently we need greatness every week now. Last week Aaron Rodgers threw 2 INTs, no TDs for a 45.7% completion % last week.

 

Shame on him.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

15 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Rodgers' body of work outclasses Allens body of work by a huge margin. That will probably be the one time this season Rodegers doesn't have an MVP-like game. Allen, very different story...

year 3 for Josh and has improved each season. but hey, your buddy aaron there, well, he's had his share of bad games and as for your "outclasses" remark, come back and talk to me about it in a couple years.

 

I thought I was one of the most pessimistic, negative fans around here, but you take the cake.

 

carry on though, you're quite amusing.

 

Popular Sportscaster Claims ‘Aaron Rodgers Had the Worst Game of his Career’

 

Aaron Rodgers Has Y/A Worst Game Ever; Mike McCarthy Fired 

 

Bills upset Packers; Rodgers has career-worst game

 

Aaron Rodgers is almost universally considered the NFL's best quarterback. But he has bad days, too.

 

of course I'm sure you'll find some excuse as to why the great aaron rogers had those bad games.

Edited October 26, 2020 by A Firm Tree Does Not Fear

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

Yeah, he didn't play well, it's pretty simple tbh. And who in their right mind would compare Rodgers to Allen in the first place? Delusional Bills fans I guess...

you did.

19 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Rodgers' body of work outclasses Allens body of work by a huge margin. That will probably be the one time this season Rodegers doesn't have an MVP-like game. Allen, very different story...

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by A Firm Tree Does Not Fear

[Ralonzo]

Aaron Rodgers is so 

17 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Rodgers' body of work outclasses Allens body of work by a huge margin. That will probably be the one time this season Rodegers doesn't have an MVP-like game. Allen, very different story...

 

In Aaron Rodgers' 24-year-old season he was busy throwing 28 passes in 2 games to finally eclipse the 300 yard mark for career yardage. But please keep comparing Rodgers at his peak to Allen now.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

I was responding to someone else who brought up Rodgers genius...

that's laughable. clearly you still were making comparisons.

 

like I said, carry on, you continue to be quite amusing with your interesting yet pessimistic takes!

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

6 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Transplantbillsfan brought up Rodgers, but whatever fits your narrative... 

again, you clearly made the comparison. whether before after or whenever but for some reason you seem to want to dodge owning up to it. maybe it's because it is/was a very poor comparison to a 3 year QB vs a 12 year vet. yet I will admit, it was a poor comparison on transplants part as well.

 

carry on.

Edited October 26, 2020 by A Firm Tree Does Not Fear

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

Thank you for letting me "carry on", much appreciated.

please do, you're a hoot!

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

Thanks, and I never knew you were a Mod, congrats on the position.

what does a mod have to with my opinion of your negative/pessimistic takes? oh, and add sarcasm to that mix too, LOL.

 

mod, are you crazy, the mods have had a heyday with handing me warnings/suspensions, but okay gene.

 

I wont bug you anymore, I'll just sit back and continue to enjoy the gene1973 show here on the board.

 

 

[Protocal69]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

Rodgers' body of work outclasses Allens body of work by a huge margin. That will probably be the one time this season Rodegers doesn't have an MVP-like game. Allen, very different story...

Aaron Rodgers was on the bench in his 3rd year Shut up!

[Hebert19]

Sad what this has become.   His point was that even one of the best ever has up and down games.  Russ threw 3 picks last night too.  We have a qb that throws for 300 regularly now and is completing 68 percent of passes.   When was last time you could say that?   25 years ago?

[Protocal69]

2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Sad what this has become.   His point was that even one of the best ever has up and down games.  Russ threw 3 picks last night too.  We have a qb that throws for 300 regularly now and is completing 68 percent of passes.   When was last time you could say that?   25 years ago?

Its really sad. Let Allen grow

Just now, Gene1973 said:

As I already stated, I was not the one who brought up Rodgers, but felt compelled to comment because comparing a Rodgers bad game to Allens' bad games is laughable, one player gets a huge benefit of the doubt, the other does not. That's just common sense.

No what is common sense is QB have good and bad games no matter who they are. You want to mention body of work, well Allen body of work is someone who has gotten better year and still coachable. Let just enjoy the ride. 

[Protocal69]

I never mentioned anything about Rodgers body of work. You did. I just said QB's have good days and bad ones and go further the ones who bad days are more than their good ones are out the league. To nik pic every single throw or game is crazy. 

[H2o]

[Protocal69]

Well I don’t know what Rodgers would have done in his 3rd year because like I said he was riding the pine. Comparing the consistency level of a guy in his 3rd and a guy in his 12 or 15 year in the league is crazy.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, BruceVilanch said:

Yeah, the bucs got better when they added the best quarterback to ever play the position, imagine that.

 

Not to mention when the Buc moved on from the QB who

1) led the league in INTs (and it wasn't close - 50% more than his next rival) last year

2) was 1 sack away from leading the league in sacks taken last year - some knowledgeable analysts consider a sack as having similar impact to a turnover

 

Brady is a damned smart man and knows damned-all about football - however much I want to see someone smashing his freakin' smug face into the turf

 

He didn't choose to sign with the Bucs because he was walking into a franchise that he would have to single-handedly "turn around".

He chose to sign with the Bucs because he saw they had a good defense that was under-rated because it was continually put in bad spots by a QB who wouldn't take care of the ball, a good OL, and a proven coach.

[Locomark]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not to mention when the Buc moved on from the QB who

1) led the league in INTs (and it wasn't close - 50% more than his next rival) last year

2) was 1 sack away from leading the league in sacks taken last year - some knowledgeable analysts consider a sack as having similar impact to a turnover

 

Brady is a damned smart man and knows damned-all about football - however much I want to see someone smashing his freakin' smug face into the turf

 

He didn't choose to sign with the Bucs because he was walking into a franchise that he would have to single-handedly "turn around".

He chose to sign with the Bucs because he saw they had a good defense that was under-rated because it was continually put in bad spots by a QB who wouldn't take care of the ball, a good OL, and a proven coach.

You forgot “and two all world WRs” 

[njbuff]

I guess it's asking too much when Feliciano and Ford come back, the Bills should institute more of a power running game and have Josh Allen under center more moving forward.

 

They are putting WAY TOO MUCH on Josh's shoulders and they need a power running game to help him out, and the defense.

 

Moss and Singletary can excel in a more power-oriented run scheme as well.

 

Maybe it's just me but Buffalo simply is not a place where the offense should be 100 PERCENT reliant on the QB position.

[Shaw66]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Where I would just take a slightly different view is the presumption that Allen needs excuses making for him. I didn't think he played very well in the first half last night and listening to Josh nor did he, but he put his big boy pants on second half and came out and played a really good 2nd half. If people are looking at Josh as the reason we didn't win more convincingly last night they are looking at the wrong thing.

And, I would add, that even the best QBs have haves or games where they just don't play well.  Michael Jordan wasn't the same player every night - there were nights, or at least halves, where he was positively human.   Guys who hit .333 on the season don't go 1 for 3 every game.   It's no different for QBs.  

 

Like Allen's fumble.   He holds on to the ball longer than other QBs.  Why?  Because he escapes from pressure better than most QBs, and part of his value is that he makes plays when most other QBs would be on their backs.   So he holds the ball, and because of that he's going to have more fumbles.   It's just something that goes with his style of play.  

 

I looked at the Jets game and saw a QB who was really in control, who was making a lot of his throws, who was making plays.   Given him one of the touchdowns, and his stats for the day would look great.   Yes, everyone wants him to be better, including Allen, but expecting him to be perfect is foolish.  No one's perfect.  So saying one thing or another happened, including something Allen wishes he hadn't done, isn't making excuses for him.  

[Dkollidas]

I know he’s fallen off from the 1st 4 games. 
 

But imagine if before this season started that someone told you Allen would be on pace for over 4000yds passing and 30TD passes. 

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

I know he’s fallen off from the 1st 4 games. 
 

But imagine if before this season started that someone told you Allen would be on pace for over 4000yds passing and 30TD passes. 

Frankly, what I've always said is that I've wanted to see a guy in control and under control.   A guy who was making plays and winning games.   That's what I wanted, and I guess I'd say it's pretty hard NOT to be that if you're  4000/30.

[transplantbillsfan]

https://theathletic.com/2160660/2020/10/25/bills-jets-jerry-hughes?source=user-shared-article

Offense’s failure to put the Jets away was a compilation of errors

...

Josh Allen will naturally take a lot of criticism because of his position, though once again, I don’t think he was the problem on offense. Allen fulfilled his weekly routine of throwing a handful of inaccurate passes. Those plays always tend to stick out more than some of the successes that help engineer drives. While he needs to be more careful on those pass attempts, including an interception-worthy throw to the end zone, he avoided the truly baffling decision that is an easy play for the defense. During the rest of the game, Allen and the passing offense picked apart the Jets’ soft zone coverage. Just as they were in Week 1, the Jets were insistent on not allowing the Bills to beat them deep. And like the first meeting, Allen locked on his underneath targets and defeated the Jets with a ton of short throws with opportunity for yards after the catch. The only difference this time was that the Bills didn’t convert for a touchdown.

 

Think of all the missteps throughout the game. On the second drive, Allen and Reggie Gilliam set up the Bills with a first-and-goal opportunity with a 15-yard reception. On first down, the Bills took a holding penalty. On second down, they took an illegal man downfield penalty. With the Bills backed up, Daryl Williams conceded a quick pressure around the edge and Allen lost the ball on a strip-sack. Later in the game, the Bills were moving the ball easily in the second half, but then offensive coordinator Brian Daboll went to the quick pass to Isaiah McKenzie one too many times. The Jets were ready for it and dropped McKenzie for an 11-yard loss on first down, and it completely ruined the drive. The Bills had a touchdown nullified because of an illegal formation penalty in a later drive. On a different one, Allen read the bust in coverage and put an on-point throw to Tyler Kroft with a clear path to the end zone, only for the tight end to trip himself up and fall well before the end zone. Those are four separate drives that should have resulted in more than a field goal, and yet the Bills couldn’t get out of their way. That’s 22 points not scored because of all of their errors.

[whatdrought]

38 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

https://theathletic.com/2160660/2020/10/25/bills-jets-jerry-hughes?source=user-shared-article

Offense’s failure to put the Jets away was a compilation of errors

...

Josh Allen will naturally take a lot of criticism because of his position, though once again, I don’t think he was the problem on offense. Allen fulfilled his weekly routine of throwing a handful of inaccurate passes. Those plays always tend to stick out more than some of the successes that help engineer drives. While he needs to be more careful on those pass attempts, including an interception-worthy throw to the end zone, he avoided the truly baffling decision that is an easy play for the defense. During the rest of the game, Allen and the passing offense picked apart the Jets’ soft zone coverage. Just as they were in Week 1, the Jets were insistent on not allowing the Bills to beat them deep. And like the first meeting, Allen locked on his underneath targets and defeated the Jets with a ton of short throws with opportunity for yards after the catch. The only difference this time was that the Bills didn’t convert for a touchdown.

 

Think of all the missteps throughout the game. On the second drive, Allen and Reggie Gilliam set up the Bills with a first-and-goal opportunity with a 15-yard reception. On first down, the Bills took a holding penalty. On second down, they took an illegal man downfield penalty. With the Bills backed up, Daryl Williams conceded a quick pressure around the edge and Allen lost the ball on a strip-sack. Later in the game, the Bills were moving the ball easily in the second half, but then offensive coordinator Brian Daboll went to the quick pass to Isaiah McKenzie one too many times. The Jets were ready for it and dropped McKenzie for an 11-yard loss on first down, and it completely ruined the drive. The Bills had a touchdown nullified because of an illegal formation penalty in a later drive. On a different one, Allen read the bust in coverage and put an on-point throw to Tyler Kroft with a clear path to the end zone, only for the tight end to trip himself up and fall well before the end zone. Those are four separate drives that should have resulted in more than a field goal, and yet the Bills couldn’t get out of their way. That’s 22 points not scored because of all of their errors.

 

Yep. Allen wasn’t perfect, but give him the long Kroft score, and the strange penalty on Davis score back and people are talking about how he’s back in the MVP race. 

[WideNine]

7 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Frankly, what I've always said is that I've wanted to see a guy in control and under control.   A guy who was making plays and winning games.   That's what I wanted, and I guess I'd say it's pretty hard NOT to be that if you're  4000/30.

 

Remember last year when Allen would never be good because of his completion % hovering around 58 and lack of 300 yard games.

 

This year his completion % is around 70 and 300 yard games are now pedestrian - go figure?

 

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Remember last year when Allen would never be good because of his completion % hovering around 58 and lack of 300 yard games.

 

This year his completion % is around 70 and 300 yard games are now pedestrian - go figure?

 

 

 

 

Crazy!

[billsfan89]

9 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I know he’s fallen off from the 1st 4 games. 
 

But imagine if before this season started that someone told you Allen would be on pace for over 4000yds passing and 30TD passes. 

 

He is regularly dropping 300 yards games. And doing so well above 60% completion. And the team is 5-2 with their two losses coming against two teams with a combined record of 10-2.

 

There are concerns for the roster, but in the end Josh is a huge bright spot.

[machine gun kelly]

12 hours ago, Locomark said:

You forgot “and two all world WRs” 

And two TE’s, a solid O Line, and finally a running game.  Last year, the Bucs strengths were in the pass and against the run.  Now their secondary has significantly improved, and the running game is coming together.  Still a lot of season left, but the Bucs are hit right now.  They destroyed the Packers and then the Raiders.

 

As far as Allen, 16 TD’s, 4 picks but (the one against the Rams was BS, and it wasn’t Allen’s fault on the Roberts one), and over 67% Completion is pretty good to me.  Even with no TD’s at the Jets, he still moved the ball over 300 yards, and had almost a 7% completion%.  We need Brown though.  I hope if he sits all week, he can make the lineup on Sunday.  If not, I still think we can win as Milano is slowly being moved back to form, and you can only hope White and Edmunds are given a lot of rest this week.

[Wayne Cubed]

I've got to be honest I think I am finally getting sick of the lazy Josh Allen isn't accurate takes. I think it's something that will stay with him for the rest of his career. Was reading a fantasy write up on SI about the Jets game and it was one of those lazy takes. The writer said not to believe the numbers and that Josh was his inaccurate self for the 3rd straight week. That he didn't allow for YAC. From that statement I thought it was pretty obvious this writer didn't watch the actual game.

 

Quote

Inaccurate Allen

It's been three weeks now, and Bills QB Josh Allen still seems like he's struggling to find his receivers. His numbers against the Jets might look good (especially the rushing yards). Still, if you watched the game closely, you could see that Allen was misfiring all over the place and is not giving his receivers any opportunity to run after the catch. This might work against a putrid team like the Jets, but with the Patriots and Seahawks coming up in the next two weeks, I have some real concerns with Allen.

 

I get it, Josh has a couple inaccurate throws a game but then so does just about every QB in the league. It's this label and some people are going to just stick to that.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Wayne Cubed

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

https://theathletic.com/2160660/2020/10/25/bills-jets-jerry-hughes?source=user-shared-article

Offense’s failure to put the Jets away was a compilation of errors

...

Josh Allen will naturally take a lot of criticism because of his position, though once again, I don’t think he was the problem on offense. Allen fulfilled his weekly routine of throwing a handful of inaccurate passes. Those plays always tend to stick out more than some of the successes that help engineer drives. While he needs to be more careful on those pass attempts, including an interception-worthy throw to the end zone, he avoided the truly baffling decision that is an easy play for the defense. During the rest of the game, Allen and the passing offense picked apart the Jets’ soft zone coverage. Just as they were in Week 1, the Jets were insistent on not allowing the Bills to beat them deep. And like the first meeting, Allen locked on his underneath targets and defeated the Jets with a ton of short throws with opportunity for yards after the catch. The only difference this time was that the Bills didn’t convert for a touchdown.

 

Think of all the missteps throughout the game. On the second drive, Allen and Reggie Gilliam set up the Bills with a first-and-goal opportunity with a 15-yard reception. On first down, the Bills took a holding penalty. On second down, they took an illegal man downfield penalty. With the Bills backed up, Daryl Williams conceded a quick pressure around the edge and Allen lost the ball on a strip-sack. Later in the game, the Bills were moving the ball easily in the second half, but then offensive coordinator Brian Daboll went to the quick pass to Isaiah McKenzie one too many times. The Jets were ready for it and dropped McKenzie for an 11-yard loss on first down, and it completely ruined the drive. The Bills had a touchdown nullified because of an illegal formation penalty in a later drive. On a different one, Allen read the bust in coverage and put an on-point throw to Tyler Kroft with a clear path to the end zone, only for the tight end to trip himself up and fall well before the end zone. Those are four separate drives that should have resulted in more than a field goal, and yet the Bills couldn’t get out of their way. That’s 22 points not scored because of all of their errors.

 

Anyone who thinks we only scored 18 because of Josh did not really understand what they were watching. He was not very good first half but he was almost perfect second half and penalties and miscues from others stalled drives.

[Buddo]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Anyone who thinks we only scored 18 because of Josh did not really understand what they were watching. He was not very good first half but he was almost perfect second half and penalties and miscues from others stalled drives.

 

Very much so. First half he seemed to be too greedy, tbh, and was trying to force some stuff.

 

People were complaining about him looking confused/deer in headlights, but I never saw that. He still moved around the pocket well, but he just was refusing to take what was being given to him.

 

Second half, was back to how they played the Jest the first time, and he just worked the field with what was being given.

 

As pointed out in the Athletic article referenced above, the lack of TDs wasn't on him, but on others. Let's not forget either, that Bass missed a couple of FGs as well, and it was Allen who got them into those situations. A 14 point win, albeit all FGs, still would be far more representative of how the game actually went - especially in the 2nd half.

 

I don't think I was even remotely worried when the Jest got the ball back with a little over a minute to play, iirc. They hadn't come close to doing anything all of the half, and their last possession emphasised that.