Ed Oliver interview - NFL put him in the drug program?

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

He should stop drinking beer.  I know several people who have died to alcoholism.  He should really stop driving, I know several people who died in car accidents. 
 

I dipped for 20+ years.  Teeth, mouth, face and throat are in fine condition.  I’m sure he realizes that there are consequences to dipping.  It’s a chance people take

Sheesh, the guy was just expressing concern for him, no need to go on a sarcastic tirade. Be cool.

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Source?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States

2 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Sheesh, the guy was just expressing concern for him, no need to go on a sarcastic tirade. Be cool.

I don’t really see it as a tirade.  Sorry you got offended. The dude dips.  Big deal.  

[Mike in Horseheads]

When do we get to religion part of this discussion?

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

When do we get to religion part of this discussion?

Right now!

[Jumpsuit Jim]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Right now!

Thank God. 

[Jauronimo]

6 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

When do we get to religion part of this discussion?

I heard the beer can in the center console was full of sacramental wine and Ed responded to all of the officer's questions by reciting scripture.

[Mark Vader]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States

I don’t really see it as a tirade.  Sorry you got offended. The dude dips.  Big deal.  

Maybe not a tirade, more like a fit.

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

The beer can was for his dip spit. Breathalyzer or no, a failed field sobriety test (the stumbling, etc.) is enough for probable cause. Obviously he was exonerated by the subsequent drug test. However, how else do you think drivers impaired by non-alcoholic substances are identified? 

Should've offered the cops a sip like the ol' piss bottle switcharoo

[1ManRaid]

4 hours ago, DCbillsfan said:

That sucks for Oliver but IF he was drifting between lanes like the citizen said he was, then what do you expect.  Didn't he have an open beer can between his legs when he was pulled over?  

Keep your hands on the wheel AND have your DL and registration in your hands.  That's what I do.  

I've seen videos of cops coming up to the car very aggressively with their gun already drawn because they saw the driver "reach for something and rustle around" when pulled over.  Of course the things they reached/rustled for was their documents because they were used to being targeted for stops for no good reason (they were on the cop radar for being publicly critical of the police) but the cop used the excuse of thinking they were reaching for a weapon or hiding drugs to call in backup and K9 and just escalating the whole deal.

 

Long story short if the police want you to have a bad time, there's nothing you can do about it.  Having your own dash mounted cameras can save you a lot of hassle not only with the police but in accident claims and whatnot.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I just watched the video again, if he feels disrespected than that's a issue he needs to get over because the cops looked like they acted just fine. He even stumbled while walking and looked like he had poor balance in the video, for an elite athlete to stumble like that while trying to walk a straight line is kinds weird. I think there was even a open beer can in the front seat too, to me it feels like he was drinking but had some strings pulled. 

From what I have read in a number of places, someone had reported a vehicle driving erratically and at an unsafe speed in a construction zone.  I believe that this led to Ed being stopped.  I'm not sure that anyone actually was able to confirm whether it was Ed driving erratically or not.  Unfortunately, having an open can of beer between your legs during a traffic stop will lead to some unwanted attention.

[Bangarang]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Really? I found this for NY on the google, which is similar to Texas-

 

 

The drinking of alcoholic beverages, or the possession of an open container containing an alcoholic beverage, in a motor vehicle located upon the public highways or right-of-way public highway is prohibited. 

 

 

I guess all anyone would have to do is chug the beer before the cop gets to their window and they’re in the clear ?

 

NY VTL 1227(1) - Consumption of alcoholic beverages/possession of open container

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Bangarang

[Hapless Bills Fan]

TBH, while I wouldn't wish this on anyone much less a Buffalo Bill...Ed just seems more relaxed and at ease talking in this interview than I've seen him before.

 

I have the impression he's kind of a guy who keeps to himself a bit.  Maybe having a story to tell and being encouraged to tell it to his teammates this off season kind of helped him open up.  Would be nice if that's a "silver lining" to this.

[Bangarang]

2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

 

Really, then how are you supposed to take the cans back to the store?

@BringBackFergy    This looks like a job for William Mattar

Just don’t stop for the police in that scenario. *

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Not actual advice
 

 

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I guess all anyone would have to do is chug the beer before the cop gets to your window and you’re in the clear ?

 

NY VTL 1227(1) - Consumption of alcoholic beverages/possession of open container

 

 

 

@BringBackFergy care to weigh in as an attorney in NYS?

[DCbillsfan]

34 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

I've seen videos of cops coming up to the car very aggressively with their gun already drawn because they saw the driver "reach for something and rustle around" when pulled over.  Of course the things they reached/rustled for was their documents because they were used to being targeted for stops for no good reason (they were on the cop radar for being publicly critical of the police) but the cop used the excuse of thinking they were reaching for a weapon or hiding drugs to call in backup and K9 and just escalating the whole deal.

 

Long story short if the police want you to have a bad time, there's nothing you can do about it.  Having your own dash mounted cameras can save you a lot of hassle not only with the police but in accident claims and whatnot.

Most cops are good cops.  There are some bad cops no doubt and others who could use better training.  

 

Some times cops pull over someone who has an outstanding arrest warrant hence guns are drawn on the vehicle approach.

 

Most videos don't tell the complete story.  They usually don't cover the entire incident and therefore can be absent of the complete set of circumstances.

[fansince88]

He us innocent.  End of THAT story. That said, I have someone very close to me that was arrested for a very embarrassing situation that I am not going to get into. After his arrest his accused crime made the news via radio, newspaper, tv and internet. Took him 2.5 years and thousands of dollars to clear his name but will never clear his reputation. We in society too quickly rush to judgement rather then let the case shape out. Just as Ed said, guilty untill proved innocent.  

[machine gun kelly]

Ok, I definitely basically because a significant amt. of my family are in one version or another in law enforcement would definitely have my license, registration, and insurance cars in my hand on the wheel with both hands and yes, I’m white.  I can’t speak to the discrimination as I wasn’t there and I’m the least prejudiced person you may meet.  Having an open beer whether it was to spit for chew or any other reason makes absolutely no sense.  You can just as easily use an empty Pepsi can.  Poor decision.  Also, I’ve driven large vehicles (was a driver in college for the Buffalo News like those UPS trucks) and I don’t remember weaving a bunch.  
 

By weaving and an open container even of completely sober is enough to at least have him checked out.  I’m very happy for him all worked out and I don’t hold it against him in the slightest.  I’m sorry he had to go through it, and the NFL was very wrong for prejudging him As they should have taken time, and received all the facts.  That is the crime in my eyes.  Again, I’m white, but if I were weaving, and had an open beer even if empty, my butt would be in jail too until proven innocent,

[HardyBoy]

4 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

If you treat a cop like your enemy, you will quickly become theirs.

 

Right, except every lawyer will tell you you should never talk to police. It's none of their business where you are going, where you are coming from, etc. The only thing that can happen is you give them evidence to charge you with something, either what they are directly investigating, or some other thing because you don't know the law and could accidently implicate yourself either now, or later.

 

The 4th and 5th amendments are there for a reason.  The police aren't your friends. I'm not saying to be a jerk, but you have every right to ask if you are being detained and if not ask to leave...if they say yes, then you have every right to ask what you are being detained on and ask for a lawyer without saying another word. You really think Ed Oliver would get the same treatment if he did that as say Josh Allen? Come on, it really all boils down to black people are required to show respect to authority, where white people are already on equal standing.

 

The idea avoiding the perception of disrespecting authority (oh the pearl clutching) at the expense of your constitutional rights...hilarious. 

 

And spare me the, "well don't call them if someone is robbing you if that is how you feel crap." That is their job, as is respecting and defending my constitutional rights, especially when it is inconvenient.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

31 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

@BringBackFergy care to weigh in as an attorney in NYS?

I dont do DUI law, but I would bet its one of those things that violates the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law. In other words, having a bunch of empties in the car may technically be illegal, but no cop or prosecutor would pursue fines/charges because its clear the person did not have an open container for consumption. 

4 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Right, except every lawyer will tell you you should never talk to police. It's none of their business where you are going, where you are coming from, etc. The only thing that can happen is you give them evidence to charge you with something, either what they are directly investigating, or some other thing because you don't know the law and could accidently implicate yourself either now, or later.

 

The 4th and 5th amendments are there for a reason.  The police aren't your friends. I'm not saying to be a jerk, but you have every right to ask if you are being detained and if not ask to leave...if they say yes, then you have every right to ask what you are being detained on and ask for a lawyer without saying another word. You really think Ed Oliver would get the same treatment if he did that as say Josh Allen? Come on, it really all boils down to black people are required to show respect to authority, where white people are already on equal standing.

 

The idea avoiding the perception of disrespecting authority (oh the pearl clutching) at the expense of your constitutional rights...hilarious. 

 

And spare me the, "well don't call them if someone is robbing you if that is how you feel crap." That is their job, as is respecting and defending my constitutional rights, especially when it is inconvenient.

Im a lawyer, and I would never give someone this advice. At least not as a generic approach to police encounters. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

15 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Im a lawyer, and I would never give someone this advice. At least not as a generic approach to police encounters. 

 

My uncle is a police lieutenant, and I don’t even speak to him at Thanksgiving.

 

“Johnny will you pass the stuffing?”

 

“I don’t have to speak to you, Uncle Brian.”  “Am I being detained, or may I take my plate into the den and watch football?”

 

 

[The Wiz]

2 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Ya a lot of fire there a lot of real evidence to support this.  More like smoke.

You don't get arrested if you do not commit crimes.

 

That is what you all seem to forget.

 

Again give me a fact this is anecdotal garbage.

 

2 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

I'm not. Statistics are on the cops side of why they did it. And I understand that. Majority of the time, they are probably right.

 

I also was detained on my 27th birthday for not leaving the front of a bar while waiting for my friends. I had not caused any problems or started any fights. They were trying to clear the bar out on Monroe Ave. Cop told me to move. I explained it was my bday and I was waiting for my friends to come out so I could have a ride. He tole me again. I said what are you gonna do arrest me? Well he did. I sat in the car for 2 hours.

 

Guess what I'm white. It happens to everyone. If I wasn't a smart ass prob wouldn't have happened. 

So you kind of contradicted yourself here.

 

You got arrested for not committing a crime other than explain to the officer what your intentions were (even though you did give him some lip about it).

 

People do get arrested and sometimes go to jail for crimes that they did not commit.  Thought it might not happen that often, it does happen.  

Edited August 10, 2020 by The Wiz

[machine gun kelly]

No you may not Johnny.  Wait let me get the hot light and you will answer my questions!  Now what is wrong with the Bills QB situation.  I don’t know Uncle Brian.  Can’t I just watch the Cowboys embarrass themselves on tv again.  Oh wait it’s the Lions,  can I just watch the Lions embarrass themselves again.  Uncle Brian, you have me all messed up.  I don’t know and I wasn’t on the grassy knowle.  ?

[HardyBoy]

22 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I dont do DUI law, but I would bet its one of those things that violates the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law. In other words, having a bunch of empties in the car may technically be illegal, but no cop or prosecutor would pursue fines/charges because its clear the person did not have an open container for consumption. 

 

Im a lawyer, and I would never give someone this advice. At least not as a generic approach to police encounters. 

 

Ok, if you are coming home from a concert and the police officer asks you where are you coming from and you say a concert, you've just given them probable cause.

 

Obviously I'm not talking about any situation, but if you are the subject of an investigation, talking to police without a lawyer present is a really bad idea. 

 

If you were representing a client in court, would you prefer they said absolutely nothing or said things that potentially implicated themselves unintentionally while trying to be respectful?

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

5 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Ok, if you are coming home from a concert and the police officer asks you where are you coming from and you say a concert, you've just given them probable cause.

 

Obviously I'm not talking about any situation, but if you are the subject of an investigation, talking to police without a lawyer present is a really bad idea. 

 

If you were representing a client in court, would you prefer they said absolutely nothing or said things that potentially implicated themselves unintentionally while trying to be respectful?

I would prefer they not get to court in the first place. Are there situations they should not speak, of course. However, from a practical standpoint, the response you advocate immediate encourages further investigation. Granted, its not reasonable suspicion/probable cause. But you better believe that cop is gonna wonder what he is missing. I know, the opposite of “innocent until proven guilty.” But good lawyers give advice for the legal world and the real world. You treat every police encounter as a confrontation, you are gonna get a confrontation. 

[Bangarang]

13 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Ok, if you are coming home from a concert and the police officer asks you where are you coming from and you say a concert, you've just given them probable cause.

 

Obviously I'm not talking about any situation, but if you are the subject of an investigation, talking to police without a lawyer present is a really bad idea. 

 

If you were representing a client in court, would you prefer they said absolutely nothing or said things that potentially implicated themselves unintentionally while trying to be respectful?

How is telling the police you’re coming from a concert giving them probable cause? Probably cause to do what?

[Augie]

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

What special treatment does your gut tell you he received?

 

Being arrested for blowing a 0.0 is special treatment?

 

Yes. 

 

But NOT in a good way. 

 

Okay, I read a few pages, but things got all about the BS treatment he received. IS HE IN THE PROGRAM???

Edited August 10, 2020 by Augie

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I dont do DUI law, but I would bet its one of those things that violates the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law. In other words, having a bunch of empties in the car may technically be illegal, but no cop or prosecutor would pursue fines/charges because its clear the person did not have an open container for consumption. 

Perhaps I should clarify, merely having empty containers scattered throughout the car isn’t something I’m going to care too much about unless I’m conducting a DWI investigation. I will say something about it though.
 

In fact, I’ve only ever written the open container violation once when it wasn’t a DWI stop. In that case, the guy had just cracked open a cold beer and was trying to hide it between the door and his leg. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Bangarang

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Yes. 

 

But NOT in a good way. 

 

Okay, I read a few pages, but things got all about the BS treatment he received. IS HE IN THE PROGRAM???

I still don’t know. Sounds like it but didn’t see confirmation 

Edited August 10, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I dont do DUI law, but I would bet its one of those things that violates the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law. In other words, having a bunch of empties in the car may technically be illegal

It's not tho

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It's not tho

Fine, the cops and the lawyers here are wrong. You obviously know better since you did a quick Google search. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

Fine, the cops and the lawyers here are wrong. You obviously know better since you did a quick Google search. 

You'll have to speak to my attorney 

[Dr. K]

The only time I've ever been in court was when  friend got pulled over for reckless driving. I was in the car with my date, he with his. We were all sober and he was absolutely not reckless driving. 

 

My friend contested the ticket and in court the arresting officer lied through his teeth about what had happened. I was only 20 or so, and it was an eye opener about how the police can lie and the judge and the legal system will automatically take the cop's story, without evidence, as true. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It's not tho

 

I think there would have to be evidence that you were intoxicated/impaired for the open container law to kick in.  Sober enough to blow double zeros on the breathalyzer...I doubt they’d get you on a beer can.  Let alone a beer can containing dip spit.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I think there would have to be evidence that you were intoxicated/impaired for the open container law to kick in.  Sober enough to blow double zeros on the breathalyzer...I doubt they’d get you on a beer can.  Let alone a beer can containing dip spit.

Maybe he just didn’t want to litter and was taking the can home to throw it away. Is it really open container if it is empty? 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I think there would have to be evidence that you were intoxicated/impaired for the open container law to kick in.  Sober enough to blow double zeros on the breathalyzer...I doubt they’d get you on a beer can.  Let alone a beer can containing dip spit.

 

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Maybe he just didn’t want to litter and was taking the can home to throw it away. Is it really open container if it is empty? 

I got pulled over the other day for doing my civic duty collecting beer cans on the side of the highway and putting them in my cupholder so Ed and I are pursuing a class action suit as we speak

[Bangarang]

14 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I think there would have to be evidence that you were intoxicated/impaired for the open container law to kick in.  

That’s not how it works

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

That’s not how it works

 

Please tell us how it works then, officer gang bangarang.

[Bangarang]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Please tell us how it works then, officer gang bangarang.

Sure, you can’t consume alcohol or possess an open container while operating a vehicle. Doesn’t matter if you’re drunk or sober while doing it.

Edited August 10, 2020 by Bangarang

[Sharky7337]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

 

So you kind of contradicted yourself here.

 

You got arrested for not committing a crime other than explain to the officer what your intentions were (even though you did give him some lip about it).

 

People do get arrested and sometimes go to jail for crimes that they did not commit.  Thought it might not happen that often, it does happen.  

 

I did the same dumb crap that most people in any video do, and that is not complying with a order from the cop. 

 

He told me I was being detained for "failure to disperse" and I have not looked if that is an actual law or he was full of crap. 

 

But the main problem lies in the culture being taught to today's youth that you can do whatever you want with no reprocessing and that is just not accurate.

 

Now there are bad cops and people that abuse that power no doubt.

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Sharky7337

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I guess all anyone would have to do is chug the beer before the cop gets to their window and they’re in the clear ?

 

NY VTL 1227(1) - Consumption of alcoholic beverages/possession of open container

 

I'd be golden...nobody can out chug me, I've literally never lost.