GETTOTHE50 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 One thing for sure.. he was not here for long 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Not a fan as the backup center spot is a little tenuous right now with Feliciano out. I won’t question Beane too much in this department as he deserves the benefit of the doubt. However, surely, Ike Boettger would’ve been a better candidate for release, right? I mean, is the guy ever going to actually play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mountain Man Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This feels like a dumb decision to me. I would think that he has trade value You don't think the team might just have tried that route before they cut him? 22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: A bit weird at this point as Morse doesn't have a BU with Feliciano hurt and Long Cut. Bates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Clearly he arrived at camp out of shape. No Feliciano coupled with lack of faith in Long is an alarming situation.This is why the Bills acted so quickly on Winters' release. Otherwise there was no urgency to sign him. And they do save 2.3 million by releasing him, which is not chump change given the cap uncertainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 So, Long back to the Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Seems like a strange time to release him, unless Beane has been given a financial mandate from above. With the new rules of carrying extra o lineman, you can have a lot of them on the roster. Long was not that great, but he is better than Ike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bigvinny said: We've come a long way from the Vlad Ducasse, Ryan Groy, John Miller, Jordan Mills days. Ouch. Now you're triggering my BBFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Winters and Long both played recently for the Jets - FWIW, my Jets fan pal says between the two, Winters is clearly the better player. The Jets release was almost entirely financially motivated - no way were the Jets paying Winters 7.3 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dokken Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I guess I am more surprised they couldnt have got a Pick out of him. Yeah. Makes me wonder if agents are pushing hard for their guys not to be traded in this environment. Let them pick their own landing spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am shocked. They must feel really good about Ryan Bates. 49 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: My thought is he had to of come into camp way out of shape which could easily happen in this offseason and that was unacceptable. What else would have changed? He was solid in spot duty last year carved out the same role. Could have held on to see if he could have started or maintained his role this season. AND I believe was in the last year of his contract, interesting timing which makes me think out of shape and a message sent. 47 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This feels like a dumb decision to me. I would think that he has trade value (or one of the other OL do). The Bills have the deepest OL in football. If it wasn’t Ling, it could have been Boehm or Bates or Nsekhe or Williams. I felt like they should have tried to spin these quality depth OL into late round picks. Financially I get why Long though. I always thought that he was a bubble guy with his price tag. Just the way that this played out it seems like you might have been able to spin some of the OL into an asset. What changed is they want to sign Brian Winter,s but can't even bring him in for a physical without being down to 79 players, so they needed to let someone go. Long saves almost $3mil, can use that towards signing Winters. Probably with signing Winters, the need for Long and his salary decreases. The only risky part to me would be if Winters fails the physical. With the rules this year, may see alot of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Who plays behind Morse? No Feliciano and no Long? Bates. I think they really like that guy. 11 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: unless Beane has been given a financial mandate from above This is how completely unfounded rumors start. Stop it. Edited August 4, 2020 by eball 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Pretty shocked at this. If we've learned anything in Buffalo, it's that you can never have too many solid linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 56 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Who plays behind Morse? No Feliciano and no Long? Boehm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Seems like a strange time to release him, unless Beane has been given a financial mandate from above. With the new rules of carrying extra o lineman, you can have a lot of them on the roster. Long was not that great, but he is better than Ike. Winters surely will cost more than Long would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Lee Smith can long snap ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, BillsDiehard said: Boehm Yep, that's exactly what he was signed for. Long is the odd man out going forward. There was no way OBD was going to pick up his option next year which was worth $4.35 million for a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Who plays behind Morse? No Feliciano and no Long? I am thinking Bates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Beane has a habit of releasing players while also giving them a better shot at finding another team to play for. I think that is part of the reason for why he was released this soon. And personally I think thats a good thing by Beane & i'm sure the players see that & respect that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Clearly he arrived at camp out of shape. No Feliciano coupled with lack of faith in Long is an alarming situation.This is why the Bills acted so quickly on Winters' release. Otherwise there was no urgency to sign him. And they do save 2.3 million by releasing him, which is not chump change given the cap uncertainty. I have heard the out of shape thing more then once in the thread.......how do we even know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFreeman22 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 They should have kept him and started him at center. Sign Winters to play RG. Then Buffalo could have Long Winters again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Pretty shocked at this. If we've learned anything in Buffalo, it's that you can never have too many solid linemen. Only so many roster spots.....my shock is we couldnt trade him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 One of the few moves this off-season McBeane has done that I don't like. Carry him through camp, with one O-line injury and this Covid situation Long would have been a nice depth piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This was my thought as well. The polar opposite of how the Jets treated Winters. Players respect that and it goes a long way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I have heard the out of shape thing more then once in the thread.......how do we even know this? Good question. I thinking it's speculation. 5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: One of the few moves this off-season McBeane has done that I don't like. Carry him through camp, with one O-line injury and this Covid situation Long would have been a nice depth piece. As I said before, he might have demanded his release knowing he now probably had no shot at starting at RG and his days were likely numbered anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Lee Smith can long snap ? I wonder how many holding & false start penalties Lee Smith could rack up if we lined him up to play center? The officials might wind up being treated for repetitive motion injuries after throwing all those flags. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 56 minutes ago, Doc said: Sure he is. The question is whether he's a RT. Position he has never played in the NFL: He can definitely play that. Position he started at for a full season in the NFL: Not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Position he has never played in the NFL: He can definitely play that. Position he started at for a full season in the NFL: Not sure. I think you'd find most people would agree with me that as an OG, he'll likely be a stud, but RT will take time and is far more questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, Doc said: I think you'd find most people would agree with me that as an OG, he'll likely be a stud, but RT will take time and is far more questionable. Most of the people who say that assume two flawed premises: first, that he has slow feet (he doesn't); and second, that the move from tackle to guard is seamless or a given (its not). In any event, the coaching staff knows him better than the fanbase. They think he is a RT. That matters the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, Don Dokken said: Yeah. Makes me wonder if agents are pushing hard for their guys not to be traded in this environment. Let them pick their own landing spot. Agents always push that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said: One thing for sure.. he was not here for long With the Winters signing, the long and short of it was that - he had to go. I don't think Beane was being short-sighted. He wasn't long for this roster. I bet he gets picked up by another team in short-order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Most of the people who say that assume two flawed premises: first, that he has slow feet (he doesn't); and second, that the move from tackle to guard is seamless or a given (its not). In any event, the coaching staff knows him better than the fanbase. They think he is a RT. That matters the most. So you're saying he cannot play OG? Or that trying to play him there is a waste of time because they should only be focusing on him playing RT? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: And that's one of the reason there wouldn't be a trade market. That's expensive in a year with a potential cap cut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Doc said: So you're saying he cannot play OG? Or that trying to play him there is a waste of time because they should only be focusing on him playing RT? The latter. Though, if he can't play RT, Id be worried about his future in the league at any other position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I am shocked. They must feel really good about Ryan Bates. I was having the same thought, he did “okay” when he played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The latter. Though, if he can't play RT, Id be worried about his future in the league at any other position. If he can't play RT I'd be worried about trying him at C or on the left side, but he (also) played RG in college and many "experts" felt that he'd be a better RG than RT. Again I said that I'd have him compete at both spots but let the best man win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I was having the same thought, he did “okay” when he played. Hmm. When he played in the regular season against the Jets he was rough albeit at right tackle which I don't think is his position. The Bills must really like him and Sal C has said before he thinks they do. I am unconvinced by what I have seen on the field but they see him practice every day so I am willing to trust them on it. They must know they are taking a risk. Hopefully it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Hmm. When he played in the regular season against the Jets he was rough albeit at right tackle which I don't think is his position. The Bills must really like him and Sal C has said before he thinks they do. I am unconvinced by what I have seen on the field but they see him practice every day so I am willing to trust them on it. They must know they are taking a risk. Hopefully it plays out. I hear ya, that’s why I said “okay” he certainly isn’t a top guy as it were, maybe they like him more as a back up center?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: This feels like a dumb decision to me. I would think that he has trade value (or one of the other OL do). The Bills have the deepest OL in football. If it wasn’t Ling, it could have been Boehm or Bates or Nsekhe or Williams. I felt like they should have tried to spin these quality depth OL into late round picks. Financially I get why Long though. I always thought that he was a bubble guy with his price tag. Just the way that this played out it seems like you might have been able to spin some of the OL into an asset. Dumb decision?? We have the best GM in the league and you are bitching about cutting a backup O lineman. Maybe they like Ike Boettgher a whole lot better, and at a much cheaper price. Or any of the other dozen or so back up lineman we have. Flipping backup O lineman for 6th or 7th round picks will not make or break the organization. And we just brought in a starting RG from the Jets yesterday. Beane knows whats up!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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