whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Seems problematic for many reasons, not the least of which being the description of police brutality.... Is this going to be vetted at all to cut out ambiguous cases that the media and others push as police brutality, but aren’t? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 After looking at the article closer I see that the nfl is making a list with players and right away we’re stuck in the issue of what is police brutality. Breaonna Taylor was shot because she was in a house from which officers were taking fire. Michael brown, which is brutality on narrative alone, and not substance and evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is it just me, or is that kind of a bull#### way of wording it? "victims of violence or police officers who lost their lives in the line of duty" - aren't those officers victims of violence also? Thinking about it, they could have been injured in an explosion or fire or while saving someone's life so maybe that's what they're trying to account for I am sure a laywer worded it and I am surprised it is not in fine print with cavets and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 hours ago, MJS said: /Doesn't it say you can wear a decal for fallen officers too? just the title. I believe that is a typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Oh and nothing for the people hurt and businesses destroyed by rioters. Do we need SLM? "Shopkeepers Lives Matter". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This article states it in the text, though it's kind of in passing https://sportsnaut.com/2020/07/report-nfl-players-to-wear-helmet-decals-honoring-victims-of-police-brutality/ While the move hasn’t been finalized, the league is working with the NFL Players Association on an agreed list of names for players to use before the regular season begins. Players will provide the list of names with approval from the league office. Players will not be required to wear decals, per NFL Network’s Steve Wyche. However, they will receive the choice of paying their respects to victims of violence or police officers who lost their lives in the line of duty. It looks as though they get to pick only one name though. Is it just me, or is that kind of a bull#### way of wording it? "victims of violence or police officers who lost their lives in the line of duty" - aren't those officers victims of violence also? Thinking about it, they could have been injured in an explosion or fire or while saving someone's life so maybe that's what they're trying to account for yet they wouldnt let players honor 9/11 victims. I realize this is a 'NOW' thing but they need to be careful with the inconsistencies. That said, I dont really have an issue with it in theory. like that they have an option to do it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Beast said: Or the five Dallas officers that were murdered that the NFL wouldn't allow the Cowboys to wear a decal in honor of. This! Just keep bending over, and see where this league is going down the road. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, MJS said: That's a way to get head hunted on the field. Pretty much. So I think we can agree that intimidation will play a huge part of this campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Oh and nothing for the people hurt and businesses destroyed by rioters. Do we need SLM? "Shopkeepers Lives Matter". What about that retired officer who was shot trying to stop looters and rioters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: What about that retired officer who was shot trying to stop looters and rioters? Technically he is a civilian and would not qualify I guess. That is why they have laywers other than they have written laws so they are necessary. Nobody will want stickers with LLM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: Decals? Pah! If they really cared they'd get it tattooed on themselves Some of them probably have. Whole lotta ink on those guys 40 minutes ago, fansince88 said: just the title. I believe that is a typo. See upthread, I found another article which said stickers could honor fallen officers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) Do these decals need to be officially sponsored by Nike or whoever it is that make them wear certain things for games? Edited July 22, 2020 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Breaonna Taylor was shot because she was in a house from which officers were taking fire. C'mon drought, there's a lot of stuff back and forth and I don't want to derail this, but describing what's known about those events as "in a house from which officers were taking fire" is pretty far "out there" https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/12/breonna-taylor-louisville-emt-not-main-target-drug-investigation/3115928001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: C'mon drought, there's a lot of stuff back and forth and I don't want to derail this, but describing what's known about those events as "in a house from which officers were taking fire" is pretty far "out there" https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/12/breonna-taylor-louisville-emt-not-main-target-drug-investigation/3115928001/ Actually, no it’s not but I know better than to argue with you so this is all I will say about it. Edited July 22, 2020 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Blm passes to blue lives matter who gets a block from free Hong Kong who stiff arms pro life and is tackled by pro choice! Is this where we’re going? Do we need this stuff to enter into every part of our lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Blm passes to blue lives matter who gets a block from free Hong Kong who stiff arms pro life and is tackled by pro choice! Is this where we’re going? Do we need this stuff to enter into every part of our lives? Depends on how much each cause will pay in advertising rights. It is a business not a free board. And NFL usually does not let competing brands advertise so usually highest bidder wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: C'mon drought, there's a lot of stuff back and forth and I don't want to derail this, but describing what's known about those events as "in a house from which officers were taking fire" is pretty far "out there" https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/12/breonna-taylor-louisville-emt-not-main-target-drug-investigation/3115928001/ Let me clarify, as I’m not attempting to burry the lead: I think the circumstances that lead to the officers entering the house in the middle of the night are problematic- I also think no-knock warrants are problematic. Whether or not they identified themselves, I can understand the boyfriend shooting at them (assuming he genuinely didn’t know they were cops). If someone kicked in my door in the middle of the night you can bet I would. That being said, it’s a hard sale for me to believe that officers returning fire are committing an act of police brutality. It’s definitely hard to argue that it was a racially motivated situation. The events that led to the interaction were (as far as I have seen) legal, meaning you have officers doing their duty and being shot at. Obviously that results in returning fire. I don’t think there’s a solid argument that Taylor is killed If the boyfriend doesn’t shoot first. As an aside, I question why Taylor is on the list but not someone like Duncan Lemp? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/duncan-socrates-lemp-maryland-shot-police-officer Do the NFL only care about black people killed by police? Not to get into whataboutism, just pointing to some of the issues with the whole idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaSnow Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 I don’t know why they put qualifiers on this at all. Why not let people just put a decal for the cause/issue of their choice and call it a day? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 58 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Blm passes to blue lives matter who gets a block from free Hong Kong who stiff arms pro life and is tackled by pro choice! Is this where we’re going? Do we need this stuff to enter into every part of our lives? Based on the NBA precedent it’s more likely to be “support China” as opposed to free Hong Kong. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, HamSandwhich said: Enough people will start to do that if this continues and it will affect the bottom line. The virtue signaling will be over and the NFL will return to it's bread and butter as it should. Politics should not be mixed with sports. As many have said, it's a way to get away from the real world, nothing that you and your ilk say about "changing the channel" or any other write off, will change that. Keep doing this NFL, it will not end well. Umm, you’re wrong. If you want to get away from the real world go to Disneyland. The NFL will be just fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Limeaid said: If you wear it in PPP only. The NFL is unlikely to allow political stickers and if they did you would probably be unhappy/whining/pissing pants if they did. blm probably could be characterized by many as a political organization at this point,. NFL needs to be careful with all of this. Might need to throw out the uniform rules pretty soon. commercial advertising on game masquerading as personal statements won't be too far behind... yikes what a season this will be. maybe they should cancel it Edited July 22, 2020 by ProcessTruster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Some of them probably have. Whole lotta ink on those guys See upthread, I found another article which said stickers could honor fallen officers Saw that after my reply. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 14 hours ago, RiotAct said: is “Keep America Great 2020” an option? Or how about the police officers who lost their lives in the line of duty ? Blue lives matter an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: blm probably could be characterized by many as a political organization at this point,. NFL needs to be careful with all of this. Might need to throw out the uniform rules pretty soon. commercial advertising on game masquerading as personal statements won't be too far behind... yikes what a season this will be. maybe they should cancel it BLM is indeed a political organization! There’s no question about it. Look it up. Another huge misstep by Roger Goodell. He’s clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: BLM is indeed a political organization! There’s no question about it. Look it up. Another huge misstep by Roger Goodell. He’s clueless. I am not sure Black Lives Matter is a political organization. I do think everyone should read the mission statement and then do a little research on statements made, such as the promotion of homes with no fathers. Research the founders and what their background is. Then decide if you personally agree with the mission and founders. I personally don’t see an issue with putting decals on helmets. Let the players have their say. It won’t change how I feel about them as a player. I don’t have to agree with a player's every single belief to still respect them. Edited July 22, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 hours ago, whatdrought said: After looking at the article closer I see that the nfl is making a list with players and right away we’re stuck in the issue of what is police brutality. Breaonna Taylor was shot because she was in a house from which officers were taking fire. Michael brown, which is brutality on narrative alone, and not substance and evidence. Amen, and here’s a thought, if you don’t want to be shot by a police officer you could start with not robbing a store and then being confrontational and resist arrest when police officers arrive on the scene and then charge at them. Is there something wrong with me that I’d like to think I would never rob a store but that if I did and officers came to arrest me I’d be fully compliant and not trying fighting and charging them. We all know there are some bad apple cops out there and often they are protected by bad union contracts that enable them to stay on the force long after they should have been removed. But there are many more good officers out there and it is like this in every field. Since this is an NFL discussion, lets stay with that analogy. Players hate it when 1 or 2 of there teammates on a 53 man roster get arrested or do something stupid. But that does not mean all players should be lumped in with the few bad apples on there teams as most players are good people and do a lot of good in there communities. There are thousands upon thousands of police interactions each day and the vast majority of them end peacefully, especially if the person in question is compliant. Only when people start resisting arrest is when the odds of being shot begin to go up significantly. Think about it from the officers perspective at this point. Many more officers are unjustifiably losing there lives right now but you would not know it from the media as they continue to max cover certain deaths that fit a narrative and create division in order to increase viewership (similar to “hot takes” that has taken over). Officers know the dangers because they live and see it everyday. Every time they do even a traffic stop they don’t know what is going to happen as there is an unprecedented amount of people out there who have a hatred for the police and are looking to harm or disrupt them in some way. Officers have to be on edge right now and for good reason. I’ll leave on this note, I’m beginning to think that the country needs to have some type of mandatory military or community service requirement. This would serve a few purposes (1) the youth could use some sort of understanding of discipline, respect, teamwork, and service that appears to be lacking amongst a higher than normal amount of their generation and (2) it would be a good way to create a common bond amongst all citizens having gone through the service requirement together spending time and developing friendships with all different peoples from all different backgrounds thus forcing more people to break out of their bubbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 hours ago, eball said: Umm, you’re wrong. If you want to get away from the real world go to Disneyland. The NFL will be just fine. Maybe it will. Or maybe it will take a hit from people who don't wanna see politics blended in with the game. But for you to act as if you know and outright dismiss him is simply ignorant on your part. If you don't wanna discuss things on a board designed to do just that, then maybe you should take your own advice and move on. The board will be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 hours ago, eball said: Umm, you’re wrong. If you want to get away from the real world go to Disneyland. The NFL will be just fine. I'm not sure about the NFL being fine long term, but I do agree that helmet stickers will not have any major impact on viewership. For all the discussion on Kaepernick and the name of the team in Washington, the moral indication and so on...how many people stopped watching? Probably a few who support law enforcement on one side, maybe a few woke folk on the other, but mostly it was the same as it ever was. I think the league read the tea leaves, listened to their employees and figured the smart money was on relaxing the dress code. If that's the plan, so be it. Personally, I'm no more/less interested in social messaging from players, announcers or owners than I am from the guy down the street. If it gets too heavy, you are absolutely correct...turn it off, or fast forward through the blather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just saw this on a Fox Sports story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Social justice and equal rights makes me so ? ? ?!!! I’m fine with domestic violence and players threatening to shoot up funeral homes. But silent protests and equal rights? That’s where I draw the line. rather than just stop watching and not tell anyone, let me let everyone on this board know I am done watching these garbage nfl (this might change if the Bills are good though). im the opposite of woke. I’m ?. Bring back when America was great in the 1950s. Never saw Johnny Unitas celebrate like that showboater Cam Newton! 9 hours ago, whatdrought said: Based on the NBA precedent it’s more likely to be “support China” as opposed to free Hong Kong. Do you attack the Trump family, Apple, and hundreds more examples for supporting China??? Or is the nba the new talking point to distract others from the issues going on in our country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Social justice and equal rights makes me so ? ? ?!!! I’m fine with domestic violence and players threatening to shoot up funeral homes. But silent protests and equal rights? That’s where I draw the line. rather than just stop watching and not tell anyone, let me let everyone on this board know I am done watching these garbage nfl (this might change if the Bills are good though). im the opposite of woke. I’m ?. Bring back when America was great in the 1950s. Never saw Johnny Unitas celebrate like that showboater Cam Newton! Do you attack the Trump family, Apple, and hundreds more examples for supporting China??? Or is the nba the new talking point to distract others from the issues going on in our country? Hyperbole much? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would assume that's what "or fallen police officers on their helmets means" - it is now allowed ?♂️ this neighborhood we got "Thank you, Officers" and "Black Lives Matter" signs - sometimes on the same lawns. But but but, that's taking away from the real issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How dare they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 12 hours ago, whatdrought said: After looking at the article closer I see that the nfl is making a list with players and right away we’re stuck in the issue of what is police brutality. Breaonna Taylor was shot because she was in a house from which officers were taking fire. Michael brown, which is brutality on narrative alone, and not substance and evidence. People that didn't identify as officers broke down her door and entered her apt in the middle of the night. Her BF was defending her and himself, just like good 2nd amendment people say is their right. Stand your ground, Right? American's have a right to defend themselves in their own home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 53 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Social justice and equal rights makes me so ? ? ?!!! I’m fine with domestic violence and players threatening to shoot up funeral homes. But silent protests and equal rights? That’s where I draw the line. rather than just stop watching and not tell anyone, let me let everyone on this board know I am done watching these garbage nfl (this might change if the Bills are good though). im the opposite of woke. I’m ?. Bring back when America was great in the 1950s. Never saw Johnny Unitas celebrate like that showboater Cam Newton! Do you attack the Trump family, Apple, and hundreds more examples for supporting China??? Or is the nba the new talking point to distract others from the issues going on in our country? 16 years on this board now and you still have not learned the subtleties of effective sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 hours ago, whatdrought said: Let me clarify, as I’m not attempting to burry the lead: I think the circumstances that lead to the officers entering the house in the middle of the night are problematic- I also think no-knock warrants are problematic. Whether or not they identified themselves, I can understand the boyfriend shooting at them (assuming he genuinely didn’t know they were cops). If someone kicked in my door in the middle of the night you can bet I would. That being said, it’s a hard sale for me to believe that officers returning fire are committing an act of police brutality. It’s definitely hard to argue that it was a racially motivated situation. The events that led to the interaction were (as far as I have seen) legal, meaning you have officers doing their duty and being shot at. Obviously that results in returning fire. I don’t think there’s a solid argument that Taylor is killed If the boyfriend doesn’t shoot first. As an aside, I question why Taylor is on the list but not someone like Duncan Lemp? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/duncan-socrates-lemp-maryland-shot-police-officer Do the NFL only care about black people killed by police? Not to get into whataboutism, just pointing to some of the issues with the whole idea. Likely true, but boyfriend doesn't shoot if people don't break into the home in the middle of the night. That's what started it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 17 hours ago, LeviF91 said: Yahoo forgot to edit the URL when they edited the story. Interesting what they left out. 18 hours ago, Greg S said: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nfl-players-can-honor-victims-of-police-violence-or-fallen-police-officers-on-their-helmets-185022814.html 17 hours ago, Beast said: Or the five Dallas officers that were murdered that the NFL wouldn't allow the Cowboys to wear a decal in honor of. 17 hours ago, MJS said: Doesn't it say you can wear a decal for fallen officers too? No...as Levi stated the URL link says so, which I would find amazingly progressive of the NFL to do, but the actual article makes no reference whatsoever of being able to put fallen officer decals on the side of the helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, Rico said: 16 years on this board now and you still have not learned the subtleties of effective sarcasm. I’ve been here 16 years? Now, I’m just depressed. ? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 hours ago, eball said: Umm, you’re wrong. If you want to get away from the real world go to Disneyland. The NFL will be just fine. I was at Disney with my family on March 14th, the day before last day everything was open...normally. It is "open" now, technically. Believe me eball, you ARE NOT getting away from the real world if you go to Disney. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 38 minutes ago, klos63 said: Likely true, but boyfriend doesn't shoot if people don't break into the home in the middle of the night. That's what started it all. I completely agree. The issue with this situation is the policy that allowed it to happen that way. I get the outrage and I’m there with you on that end, but to say it’s police brutality is burying the lead, I think. 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Social justice and equal rights makes me so ? ? ?!!! I’m fine with domestic violence and players threatening to shoot up funeral homes. But silent protests and equal rights? That’s where I draw the line. rather than just stop watching and not tell anyone, let me let everyone on this board know I am done watching these garbage nfl (this might change if the Bills are good though). im the opposite of woke. I’m ?. Bring back when America was great in the 1950s. Never saw Johnny Unitas celebrate like that showboater Cam Newton! Do you attack the Trump family, Apple, and hundreds more examples for supporting China??? Or is the nba the new talking point to distract others from the issues going on in our country? Lol. I’m happy to criticize anyone who is pro-communist bull####. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, klos63 said: People that didn't identify as officers broke down her door and entered her apt in the middle of the night. Her BF was defending her and himself, just like good 2nd amendment people say is their right. Stand your ground, Right? American's have a right to defend themselves in their own home. A no knock warrant the primary target of which was already in police custody. As I understand it, no knock warrants are highly unusual for what were believed to be low level drug dealers by the Louisville police. But apparently they needed a no knock warrant to prevent Taylor from destroying drug evidence or records relating to drug sales. Kinda makes you wonder how they got those warrants especially since the post office concluded the packages the primary suspect had received at Breonna Taylor's home were not suspicious. They didn't find anything in her home so all is well that ends well. https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/breonna-taylor-lawyers-police-lied-about-search-time-and-arrest-of-main-suspect-in-narcotics-investigation/417-3f4fa77a-c1c8-44fa-ab57-be187dc750c4 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-police-had-no-knock-warrant-breonna-taylor-apartment/3235029001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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