YoloinOhio Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 42 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think contractually they have to keep him around because if I’m correct they’re still paying for Bowles and Ryan. I could be wrong on Ryan but I know they’re still paying off Bowles, that’s why they didn’t fire Gase last year. That would be 3 HCS on their payroll while 2 of them aren’t on the team anymore The worst thing for a young QB is instability in the offensive system. It has screwed with Mayfield who is on his 4th OC now and Sam has had 2 in 2 years. Gase is a boob but they really kind of had to stick with him past 1 year imo. I think both of their spots are tenuous because gase/Douglas didn’t draft Sam and aren’t as invested in his success as they would be if they were tied to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 15 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: Adams is a better player than all those guys you mentioned. He played equal snaps at slot CB, S, and OLB and Gregg Williams ran the defense through him. There isn’t anyone other than a Bills fan who would take Micah Hyde over Jamal Adams. Well, as long as Adams is doing his me first I want a trade schtick, you better believe I would rather have Hyde. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Is this all because they haven’t given him a long term deal yet? (that’s what I read) Its not exactly like everything in the NFL is just business as usual at the moment. There’s an awful lot of uncertainty. The Jets picked up his 5th year option, so he’s already under contract for this season and next. I don’t know that their #1 priority right now is a huge contract for a safety who’s still under contract 2 more seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 It is sounding like he wants $20 million a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloBills1998 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The worst thing for a young QB is instability in the offensive system. It has screwed with Mayfield who is on his 4th OC now and Sam has had 2 in 2 years. Gase is a boob but they really kind of had to stick with him past 1 year imo. I think both of their spots are tenuous because gase/Douglas didn’t draft Sam and aren’t as invested in his success as they would be if they were tied to him. I’m thinking if Darnold has another bad year and if the Jets keep Gase, that Gase would request that he and Douglas can draft their own QB. I think those reports are true about Gase not wanting Darnold and that he didn’t like him when he was still in Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 https://nypost.com/2020/06/18/six-nfl-teams-jets-jamal-adams-could-get-traded-to/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 19 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: He signed a contract-he has no leverage. Jairus Byrd: “hold my beer...” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: And what did the jets do in the playoffs?? That’s right they choked. I think that goes to show that Peyton Manning is not a good evaluator of talent. Like what In the hell did he see in Adam Gase that made him think that he was HC material lol Maybe Gase did a good job of shutting up and letting Peyton call the play? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 The only one I can see based on draft pics and $ available is Jax, which is going from one crappy team to another. Fine with me, but the more opportune thing for Bills fans is he pulls a L. Bell and is dumb enough to sit out for the year, lose a year of eligibility, and away from the Jets, even though we can and have beaten them with him. You can’t count the last game last year as we played second teasers, vs. our starters crushing them. A mistake in my opinion. We should have at least played all starters for a half to keep them in rhythm, Too many examples of outside of dinged up people resting people has not worked well. If he moves to Jax, who cares as they are a mess, and wouldn’t see the, until the playoffs which won’t happen. They’ll never make a wildcard and Indy, or Houston would probably win the AFCS. Either way, we win. The guy again I’ll say is not smart as he has no leverage and the only thing he has is holding out. He hurts from that decision, ala talk to Bell in private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I’m thinking if Darnold has another bad year and if the Jets keep Gase, that Gase would request that he and Douglas can draft their own QB. I think those reports are true about Gase not wanting Darnold and that he didn’t like him when he was still in Miami that doesn’t make much sense. Why go there if you don’t like Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said: that doesn’t make much sense. Why go there if you don’t like Darnold Don't think there were any other places that would hire him as a HC after his spectacular failure with the Dolphins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 19 hours ago, Logic said: At a time when high quality coverage safeties are of the utmost importance and the NFL is more of a passing league than ever, I don't see a box safety like Adams being worth the money he likely wants and the headaches he seems to create. It's not that he's not an elite box safety and a great leader -- he absolutely is both of those things. It's just that investing big bucks in a run-stopping safety who is not elite in coverage doesn't seem fiscally wise in the 2020 NFL. Ship him out. Rush the QB, that's it. Too much PI. Defenses give up 50+ yards every drive to get a short field, and hope someone goes Offside or fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 19, 2020 Author Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I’m thinking if Darnold has another bad year and if the Jets keep Gase, that Gase would request that he and Douglas can draft their own QB. I think those reports are true about Gase not wanting Darnold and that he didn’t like him when he was still in Miami I was happy as could by when the Jets hired Gase. I knew that he would waste at least 2 years of Darnold's career in NY, if not more, and possibly ruin the entire thing. I was also happy when they hired Gregg because I know at some point his ego and Gase's coupled together will cause the same reaction as a Mento dropped in a Coke bottle. This season is definitely getting off on the "good foot" so to speak. Edited June 19, 2020 by H2o 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: that doesn’t make much sense. Why go there if you don’t like Darnold Where else was he going to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: that doesn’t make much sense. Why go there if you don’t like Darnold There was no where for him to go. Plus since he’s a ego maniac I think he only took the Jets job to try and get back at Miami for letting him go. Honestly Gase is Richard Kotite 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Ah Yes, the life of a Jets fan, your best players would rather play in Cleveland... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 7 hours ago, DCOrange said: FWIW, my friend that is a lifelong Jets fan is thrilled about this. He wants no part of signing a box safety to a massive deal. From checking out the comments on the Jets message board it seems 80% of Jets fans feel the same way as your friend. Maybe 20-30 years ago he would have been one of the best safeties ever but in today's game I'm not making an average coverage safety the highest paid defensive back in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 49 minutes ago, H2o said: I was happy as could by when the Jets hired Gase. I knew that he would waste at least 2 years of Darnold's career in NY, if not more, and possibly ruin the entire thing. I was also happy when they hired Gregg because I know at some point his ego and Gase's coupled together will cause the same reaction as a Mento dropped in a Coke bottle. This season is definitely getting off on the "good foot" so to speak. Yes, Gase is the gift that keeps on giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 19 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: There isn’t anyone other than a Bills fan who would take Micah Hyde over Jamal Adams. lmfao I'll take Hyde at 6M/year over Adams at $15+ every single SUnday are you kidding 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: lmfao I'll take Hyde at 6M/year over Adams at $15+ every single SUnday are you kidding This. Price matters. Adams is one of the best Safeties in the NFL. Hyde is in the next tier of very good Safeties. At the Safety position, and in relation to roster building: Hyde at 6M per >>> Adams at 15M+ per Edited June 19, 2020 by SCBills 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 2 hours ago, SCBills said: This. Price matters. Adams is one of the best Safeties in the NFL. Hyde is in the next tier of very good Safeties. At the Safety position, and in relation to roster building: Hyde at 6M per >>> Adams at 15M+ per Adams is a lot more than just a safety. He’s a chess piece and foundation piece for any defense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: Adams is a lot more than just a safety. He’s a chess piece and foundation piece for any defense. Do you agree that his primary/best attributes are his run stopping and blitzing abilities, and not so much his pass coverage abilities, either in man or zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albanybillsbacker Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 13 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: Adams is a lot more than just a safety. He’s a chess piece and foundation piece for any defense. No safety is a foundation piece. If they are the foundation piece of your defense, you have a problem. that is the same reason I had no problem with Whitner or Byrd walking in free agency. Also the reason why you never draft one with a top 10 pick. They just don’t have a big enough impact on the game even if they are elite. Id actually prefer the Jets keep him and overpay than trade him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: What does that have to do with Jamal Adams situation or their current team. Jamal should want to stay there because they won some playoff games back when he was in elementary school? Nothing to do with Adams. I have no issue with him wanting more money and I also have no issue with the Jets saying wait until next year. Sooner or later the same scenario will play out with the Bills. It happened to Seattle. It happens to all teams that have young talent. My point was fans of the Bills should not throw stones at any other team's dysfunction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 17 hours ago, SCBills said: This. Price matters. Adams is one of the best Safeties in the NFL. Hyde is in the next tier of very good Safeties. At the Safety position, and in relation to roster building: Hyde at 6M per >>> Adams at 15M+ per 100% agree. That 9M can be spent elsewhere. There is no shortage of very good safeties. They can be found in the draft, in free agency, and in converting veteran CBs. Steelers will have the same dilemma to deal with Minkah Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 3:08 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Jairus Byrd: “hold my beer...” On 6/18/2020 at 8:00 PM, JetsFan20 said: He signed a contract-he has no leverage. All he needs to do is ask Byrd for doctor recommendation or find a witch doctor to summon spirit of Jason Peter's agent (attempting to summon soul will not work since he did not have one). It is ridiculous that players can hold out and keep the money while under contact. Yeah, Yeah I have heard about teams can cut players but that is in contract too. If you do not like get rid of your union and negotiate a new deal even if it means lower bonuses and lower percentage. 12 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Nothing to do with Adams. I have no issue with him wanting more money and I also have no issue with the Jets saying wait until next year. Sooner or later the same scenario will play out with the Bills. It happened to Seattle. It happens to all teams that have young talent. My point was fans of the Bills should not throw stones at any other team's dysfunction. No they shouldn't. Ethan throws more at Bills than all fans and press do at Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 13 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Nothing to do with Adams. I have no issue with him wanting more money and I also have no issue with the Jets saying wait until next year. Sooner or later the same scenario will play out with the Bills. It happened to Seattle. It happens to all teams that have young talent. My point was fans of the Bills should not throw stones at any other team's dysfunction. I'll totally throw stones at other team's dysfunctions, especially if it's the Jets. Dysfunction is dysfunction and deserves to be pointed out and mocked. Bills dysfunction included (and we've had plenty of it the past 20 years). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 8:41 PM, JetsFan20 said: There isn’t anyone other than a Bills fan who would take Micah Hyde over Jamal Adams. Micah Hyde is pretty well thought of around the league. A lot of fans know him from his Green Bay days and have heard how good of a starter he is in Buffalo. And a ton of fans are turned off of players causing dysfunction, demanding trades, and holding out for bigger contracts. So I bet a lot of fans would choose Hyde over Adams given that one is a choir boy and the other is causing problems. Plus, Adams wants ridiculous money and Hyde can be had for much cheaper. So no, I think you're wrong about that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I doubt they trade him as he is cheap now, and next year everyone’s cap takes a hit so draft capital is even more important. If a yes, he would probably end up in Cleveland, Washington, Miami, Detroit, or even Jax. The others have a lot of cap space, and Jax has $ similar to us, but a ton of pics. All of these teams are not very good, need to build up their team, and have the capital. His pipe dream of going to a contending team is a joke. He’ll probably end up staying with the Jets. He really has nothing to say about it except withholding which just takes even more $ from him. Talk to you’re teammate Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 7:38 AM, Albanybillsbacker said: No safety is a foundation piece. If they are the foundation piece of your defense, you have a problem. that is the same reason I had no problem with Whitner or Byrd walking in free agency. Also the reason why you never draft one with a top 10 pick. They just don’t have a big enough impact on the game even if they are elite. Id actually prefer the Jets keep him and overpay than trade him. While safety isn’t the most important position by any means, Polamalu, Lott, Ed Reed, John Lynch, Earl Thomas weren’t let go in their prime for a reason. On 6/20/2020 at 9:14 AM, Ethan in Portland said: 100% agree. That 9M can be spent elsewhere. There is no shortage of very good safeties. They can be found in the draft, in free agency, and in converting veteran CBs. Steelers will have the same dilemma to deal with Minkah Fitzpatrick. Did they have that “dilemma” with Troy Polamalu? No, they paid him. On 6/20/2020 at 9:08 AM, Ethan in Portland said: Nothing to do with Adams. I have no issue with him wanting more money and I also have no issue with the Jets saying wait until next year. Sooner or later the same scenario will play out with the Bills. It happened to Seattle. It happens to all teams that have young talent. My point was fans of the Bills should not throw stones at any other team's dysfunction. Why not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 9:17 PM, JetsFan20 said: Adams is a lot more than just a safety. He’s a chess piece and foundation piece for any defense. This is literally what Hyde has been for the bills defense since he arrived. A defense that was basically regarded as top 3-5 unit last year. adams is probably the better player. But as others have said, payout to performance ratio matters and that’s most certainly a notch in the win column for Hyde. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 11 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: I doubt they trade him as he is cheap now, and next year everyone’s cap takes a hit so draft capital is even more important. If a yes, he would probably end up in Cleveland, Washington, Miami, Detroit, or even Jax. The others have a lot of cap space, and Jax has $ similar to us, but a ton of pics. All of these teams are not very good, need to build up their team, and have the capital. His pipe dream of going to a contending team is a joke. He’ll probably end up staying with the Jets. He really has nothing to say about it except withholding which just takes even more $ from him. Talk to you’re teammate Bell. If they don’t trade him I can see him pulling a bell and sitting out for the 2020 season. I read a rumor he wants to go to Tampa or Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: If they don’t trade him I can see him pulling a bell and sitting out for the 2020 season. I read a rumor he wants to go to Tampa or Miami He’s got two years left on his contract and he’s seeking 20+MM a year (5MM more than any other safety). Good luck Jamal. Edited June 21, 2020 by JetsFan20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said: He’s got two years left on his contract and he’s seeking 20+MM a year (5MM more than any other safety). Good luck Jamal. We don’t care Jet guy. We really don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 12:08 PM, Ethan in Portland said: Nothing to do with Adams. I have no issue with him wanting more money and I also have no issue with the Jets saying wait until next year. Sooner or later the same scenario will play out with the Bills. It happened to Seattle. It happens to all teams that have young talent. My point was fans of the Bills should not throw stones at any other team's dysfunction. You will never find a team where are all 53 players are happy with their contracts. That said Jamal crossed the line with his actions this week. If he truly wanted to stay with the Jets he wouldn’t have done these things. He’s made it so that the Jets would look terrible if they did cave and sign him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I think we can agree if Adams leaves then the Jets defense goes right down the toilet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 8:42 PM, Logic said: At a time when high quality coverage safeties are of the utmost importance and the NFL is more of a passing league than ever, I don't see a box safety like Adams being worth the money he likely wants and the headaches he seems to create. It's not that he's not an elite box safety and a great leader -- he absolutely is both of those things. It's just that investing big bucks in a run-stopping safety who is not elite in coverage doesn't seem fiscally wise in the 2020 NFL. Ship him out. But like, don't. Because you're the Jets, and I want you to be bad. So..no, Logic. Shhhhhhhhh.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think we can agree if Adams leaves then the Jets defense goes right down the toilet No. They'll just have to find a way to get an extra 6.5 sacks out of their front seven. And if they succeed they'll be even better as presumably they'll actually have both safeties in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think we can agree if Adams leaves then the Jets defense goes right down the toilet their secondary will be even more of a dumpster fire than it was last season if he goes. cant wait for it to happen either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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