Bills vs Browns last year

[John from Riverside]

Was that a forward pass by the Cleveland QB that got scooped up and ran in by Jerry Hughes?

 

We were winning that game and that would have sealed it

[billsbackto81]

55 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Was that a forward pass by the Cleveland QB that got scooped up and ran in by Jerry Hughes?

 

We were winning that game and that would have sealed it

Maybe, but not the sole reason we lost.

1. Levi got taken behind the woodshed by Landry in that game.

2. Chubb had a big game running for chunks at a time.

3. Hauschka missed 2 FG's (34 and a 53 that would of tied it)

 

Still, we had no business losing that game and it could've been the difference in us hosting instead going on the road in the playoffs.

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by billsbackto81

[Bookie Man]

I remember watching the slow-mo replay. It really didn't look like the ball moved forward at all. It looked like Mayfield just caught it and dropped it straight down. imo, it was a fumble and would have been a game sealer. That's a game I really wanted back. It really irked me losing that one for some reason. But yeah a bad call in my book. They called that exact kind of play a fumble against the Bills, and that one actually traveled forward, so I guess it's whatever the refs feel like at that moment. There needs to be a rule for sake of clarity. If the ball doesn't travel more than a yard from the QBs hand, it's a live ball if it hits the ground or something like that. But it will never happen because it makes too much sense and NFL likes things more muddied and complicated. 

[GunnerBill]

Sad because that would have sealed it. I think applying the current interpretation of the law they made the right call to overturn. I thought three interceptions against New England aside this was Josh's worst game too. This was at the peak of the coaching him to be safe and he held the ball so long that day and missed so many guys running open. The next week was the "play loose" thing and to some extent it definitely worked.  

[Bookie Man]

Those goal line stands were pretty awesome though! 

[Doc Brown]

It was a forward pass.  I felt the blow back from that loss from that game propelled this team to another level with all the overrated chatter from the local and national media.  You could see it with the effort the next week in Miami as they played with an edge.  Then we went on to win three of the next four against the Broncos, Cowboys, and Steelers.

[machine gun kelly]

It was last year, but if we won, we would have kept our starters for the Jets and would have been 12-4.  The Patriots would have still won the division, but if we didn’t screw up that punt against the first Patriots game, we would have had the division.  Damn Belicheck.  He saw in week 1 the Jets brought 9 and our outside guys or at least 1 didn’t slide in which is basics for defending you’re punter. A hat on a hat.  The Giants in week 2 brought 10 once and again they almost got to him.  The muffed snap blew it for us and the rest is history.  Kudos for Belicheck picking up on our flawed execution of punts.  Since then I noticed the outside guys sliding in when they slid in on the punt.  It’s all water under the bridge as the Pats and us both lost.  Would a game in OP against the Titans meant any difference?  I doubt it as TN was hot by the playoffs.  They were not the same team as they were when we played them early in the year.

[BillsFan17]

It was such a weird game in the respect that the outcome adversely effected each team. What should have propelled the Browns (finished 3-4 after that game) and what should have caused the Bills to come back to earth (finished 4-3 sitting starters the last game of the season)....

 

Either way, I think it was actually a good lose, gave the Bills a kick in the shorts.

[CaptnCoke11]

It’s a pass.. 

[CommonCents]

ELSA hit em with it one more time....

[Franco_92]

The reason that play is designed that way is for that exact scenario to be covered safely, an incomplete pass rather than a fumble.

 

It's why Josh got a touchdown pass for the McKenzie sweep against the Giants, in which he simply dropped it into Isaiah's hands

[thebandit27]

The rules say it’s an incomplete pass; the officials, however, ruled the exact same play as a Josh Allen fumble in Green Bay in 2018.

[Seasons1992]

This is the loss from last season that bothers me the most, even moreso than Houston.

 

[Billl]

How is this even a question?  It was obviously a forward pass.

[TC in St. Louis]

Mayfield had a good game, we couldn't tackle Chubb.  But our FG kicker blew it when he missed that chip shot right before the half.  The highlights only show a couple runs by Singletary.  We should have won the game, though.  

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

How is this even a question?  It was obviously a forward pass.

Bill......the ball looked like it might have dropped straight up and down....how is it "obvious"

[Billl]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Bill......the ball looked like it might have dropped straight up and down....how is it "obvious"

Because it doesn’t matter that the ball may have gone straight down.  Mayfield made a forward movement with his arms, and that’s all that matters.  (It was pretty clearly traveling forward if you watch the slow motion replay on gamepass.)

 

“When a player is in control of the ball and attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.“

Edited May 26, 2020 by Billl

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Maybe, but not the sole reason we lost.

1. Levi got taken behind the woodshed by Landry in that game.

2. Chubb had a big game running for chunks at a time.

3. Hauschka missed 2 FG's (34 and a 53 that would of tied it)

 

Still, we had no business losing that game and it could've been the difference in us hosting instead going on the road in the playoffs.

 

 

4. McDermott didn't trust Hausch for a long FG attempt that resulted in a failed 4th down conversion.

[Billl]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

The rules say it’s an incomplete pass; the officials, however, ruled the exact same play as a Josh Allen fumble in Green Bay in 2018.

You must be thinking of a different game unless it got overturned.  The only fumble in that game was on a scramble when Allen was two yards downfield and got hit from behind.  He had the ball tucked but still lost it.  The play wasn’t even remotely similar.

[thebandit27]

49 minutes ago, Billl said:

You must be thinking of a different game unless it got overturned.  The only fumble in that game was on a scramble when Allen was two yards downfield and got hit from behind.  He had the ball tucked but still lost it.  The play wasn’t even remotely similar.

Apparently it was one week prior against the Vikings (and it was Marcus Murphy not Foster):

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/9/26/17902834/nfl-week-3-worst-call-of-the-week-forward-pass-or-fumble-for-josh-allen

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Apparently it was one week prior against the Vikings (and it was Marcus Murphy not Foster):

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/9/26/17902834/nfl-week-3-worst-call-of-the-week-forward-pass-or-fumble-for-josh-allen

 

Yea that was an awful call. Not that it mattered. 

[njbuff]

10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Was that a forward pass by the Cleveland QB that got scooped up and ran in by Jerry Hughes?

 

We were winning that game and that would have sealed it

 

I knew it when it was live.

 

It's the very same play the Bills have used with McKenzie. 

 

Incomplete pass. That simple.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

That was painful to relive. No wonder we drafted Bass. Hopefully we shore up the run D and adding Diggs to the offense gives us a road W any day against this level of competition.

[C.Biscuit97]

9 hours ago, Raleigh • √eff said:

Those goal line stands were pretty awesome though! 

For sure the D came up big (that’s what she said ?).  But that was some of the worst play calling I’ve ever seen in my life.  If I was running the Browns, I would have fired Kitchens after the game.  They would bring on heavy personnel at like the 5 and take OBJ and Landry off the field.  So stupid.  

[Billl]

23 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Apparently it was one week prior against the Vikings (and it was Marcus Murphy not Foster):

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/9/26/17902834/nfl-week-3-worst-call-of-the-week-forward-pass-or-fumble-for-josh-allen

Yeah, that was bad.  The timing of the play was a little off, so I can sort of see how they could have thought the snap hit Ivory or something in real time.  No excuse to not get it right after the review, though.  Even worse is they confirmed it rather than just saying the call stands.

[Maybe Someday]

11 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Was that a forward pass by the Cleveland QB that got scooped up and ran in by Jerry Hughes?

 

We were winning that game and that would have sealed it

 

It was a pass. There is a rule written for this exact type of play. 

 

There was a really long thread about this play right after it happened too.

 

32 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Apparently it was one week prior against the Vikings (and it was Marcus Murphy not Foster):

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/9/26/17902834/nfl-week-3-worst-call-of-the-week-forward-pass-or-fumble-for-josh-allen

 

 

12 minutes ago, Billl said:

Yeah, that was bad.  The timing of the play was a little off, so I can sort of see how they could have thought the snap hit Ivory or something in real time.  No excuse to not get it right after the review, though.  Even worse is they confirmed it rather than just saying the call stands.

 

The difference is that they said Josh never actually possessed the ball. Right or wrong they ruled he never caught the snap, that he batted it to the runner. 

[billsfan89]

The Browns talent level was good but their coaching was poor. Ultimately the Bills ran into a bad matchup on the road and lost a close game. I think had the game been in Buffalo the team would have pulled it out. In games this tight being away could make the difference. The Bills didn't come out flat (like they did in the Philly game) but they didn't come out sharpe either. And against a decent team away that's going to result in a tight game and ultimately the team lost on a kick.

[BuffaloMatt]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts. . . . . . 

[HOUSE]

I am surprised the Browns won, usually their players are in jail by then

[gobills1212]

I know its tough, but DONT PICK THE SCAB!!!

[Logic]

I know this game was a loss and all, but one of my favorite sequences ever happened in this one:

The goal line stand. The Browns had it from, what, the 2-yard line, with an epic amount of chances at it, and we stoned 'em.

It was awesome. There's gotta be video of that sequence around somewhere.

[MJS]

Unfortunately it was a forward pass. That's why those plays exist, so that if the ball is mishandled it counts as an incompletion instead of a fumble. We run those same tap passes in our offense, usually with McKenzie receiving the ball.

 

That game was the most frustrating game of the season. One we really should have won but let it slip through our fingers. It was a match between talent and coaching/discipline and this time talent edged us out.

 

But now that we have a little more talent on both sides of the ball we should win games like that.

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

I know this game was a loss and all, but one of my favorite sequences ever happened in this one:

The goal line stand. The Browns had it from, what, the 2-yard line, with an epic amount of chances at it, and we stoned 'em.

It was awesome. There's gotta be video of that sequence around somewhere.

Yes, and that sequence showed that defensive holding is sometimes the smart thing to do. White held OBJ a couple times, took the flag, and lived to face him in a future down. And ultimately he ended up sealing the goal line stand with a pass breakup on OBJ. It was a great stand.

 

If we had come away with the win that game would have been one worth rewatching.

[LSHMEAB]

I place the blame for that loss on the pass rush. There was virtually no pressure on Mayfield during the final drive.

 

We faced a very weak QB lineup in 2019, so the pass rush has got to be better. There's a lot of bodies in the front 7 and several guys with talent, so I'm hoping McD and Frazier can put together a stronger PR. Not a huge fan of Frazier's non aggressive approach.

 

Ed Oliver's progress is going to play a huge role in all of this.

[Peace Frog]

#1 reason (by no means the only) we lost that game was our run defense.  Chubb had at least three runs where he was dragging multiple defenders for an extra ten yards.  That's just straight up weak.

[Talley56]

We sure do love debating whether or not plays are forward passes around here.

[CommonCents]

1 hour ago, Peace Frog said:

#1 reason (by no means the only) we lost that game was our run defense.  Chubb had at least three runs where he was dragging multiple defenders for an extra ten yards.  That's just straight up weak.

Getting dragged by Chubb is one thing, getting dragged by Watson is another. 

 

Chubb is a beast, can’t blame them.

[BananaB]

I think it could of easily been called either way that’s why I think the call on the field should not of been changed. 
 

Everyone knows the idea of the play but there was no solid evidence the ball actually moved forward. Just to close to call. 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

I think it could of easily been called either way that’s why I think the call on the field should not of been changed. 
 

Everyone knows the idea of the play but there was no solid evidence the ball actually moved forward. Just to close to call. 

The ball doesn’t have to move forward.  Once the arm starts moving forward, that’s all that matters.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

That play had me jumping off my couch and celebrating in victory. 

 

Then I realized it was a forward pass. 

 

I'm glad those are considered forward passes though since we use them a lot in our offense now and with a lot of success. Josh can even get a TD or two credited to him every year using them.

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, Billl said:

The ball doesn’t have to move forward.  Once the arm starts moving forward, that’s all that matters.  

 

Yep. If people want to question whether the rule is right, that is fair enough. But in terms of interpretation as soon as I saw the replay I knew it was coming back.