John from Riverside Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Was that a forward pass by the Cleveland QB that got scooped up and ran in by Jerry Hughes? We were winning that game and that would have sealed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Was that a forward pass by the Cleveland QB that got scooped up and ran in by Jerry Hughes? We were winning that game and that would have sealed it Maybe, but not the sole reason we lost. 1. Levi got taken behind the woodshed by Landry in that game. 2. Chubb had a big game running for chunks at a time. 3. Hauschka missed 2 FG's (34 and a 53 that would of tied it) Still, we had no business losing that game and it could've been the difference in us hosting instead going on the road in the playoffs. Edited May 26, 2020 by billsbackto81 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I remember watching the slow-mo replay. It really didn't look like the ball moved forward at all. It looked like Mayfield just caught it and dropped it straight down. imo, it was a fumble and would have been a game sealer. That's a game I really wanted back. It really irked me losing that one for some reason. But yeah a bad call in my book. They called that exact kind of play a fumble against the Bills, and that one actually traveled forward, so I guess it's whatever the refs feel like at that moment. There needs to be a rule for sake of clarity. If the ball doesn't travel more than a yard from the QBs hand, it's a live ball if it hits the ground or something like that. But it will never happen because it makes too much sense and NFL likes things more muddied and complicated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Sad because that would have sealed it. I think applying the current interpretation of the law they made the right call to overturn. I thought three interceptions against New England aside this was Josh's worst game too. This was at the peak of the coaching him to be safe and he held the ball so long that day and missed so many guys running open. The next week was the "play loose" thing and to some extent it definitely worked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Those goal line stands were pretty awesome though! 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 It was a forward pass. I felt the blow back from that loss from that game propelled this team to another level with all the overrated chatter from the local and national media. You could see it with the effort the next week in Miami as they played with an edge. Then we went on to win three of the next four against the Broncos, Cowboys, and Steelers. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 It was last year, but if we won, we would have kept our starters for the Jets and would have been 12-4. The Patriots would have still won the division, but if we didn’t screw up that punt against the first Patriots game, we would have had the division. Damn Belicheck. He saw in week 1 the Jets brought 9 and our outside guys or at least 1 didn’t slide in which is basics for defending you’re punter. A hat on a hat. The Giants in week 2 brought 10 once and again they almost got to him. The muffed snap blew it for us and the rest is history. Kudos for Belicheck picking up on our flawed execution of punts. Since then I noticed the outside guys sliding in when they slid in on the punt. It’s all water under the bridge as the Pats and us both lost. Would a game in OP against the Titans meant any difference? I doubt it as TN was hot by the playoffs. They were not the same team as they were when we played them early in the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 It was such a weird game in the respect that the outcome adversely effected each team. What should have propelled the Browns (finished 3-4 after that game) and what should have caused the Bills to come back to earth (finished 4-3 sitting starters the last game of the season).... Either way, I think it was actually a good lose, gave the Bills a kick in the shorts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 It’s a pass.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 ELSA hit em with it one more time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 The reason that play is designed that way is for that exact scenario to be covered safely, an incomplete pass rather than a fumble. It's why Josh got a touchdown pass for the McKenzie sweep against the Giants, in which he simply dropped it into Isaiah's hands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 The rules say it’s an incomplete pass; the officials, however, ruled the exact same play as a Josh Allen fumble in Green Bay in 2018. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 This is the loss from last season that bothers me the most, even moreso than Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 How is this even a question? It was obviously a forward pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Mayfield had a good game, we couldn't tackle Chubb. But our FG kicker blew it when he missed that chip shot right before the half. The highlights only show a couple runs by Singletary. We should have won the game, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Billl said: How is this even a question? It was obviously a forward pass. Bill......the ball looked like it might have dropped straight up and down....how is it "obvious" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Bill......the ball looked like it might have dropped straight up and down....how is it "obvious" Because it doesn’t matter that the ball may have gone straight down. Mayfield made a forward movement with his arms, and that’s all that matters. (It was pretty clearly traveling forward if you watch the slow motion replay on gamepass.) “When a player is in control of the ball and attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.“ Edited May 26, 2020 by Billl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 8 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Maybe, but not the sole reason we lost. 1. Levi got taken behind the woodshed by Landry in that game. 2. Chubb had a big game running for chunks at a time. 3. Hauschka missed 2 FG's (34 and a 53 that would of tied it) Still, we had no business losing that game and it could've been the difference in us hosting instead going on the road in the playoffs. 4. McDermott didn't trust Hausch for a long FG attempt that resulted in a failed 4th down conversion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 3 hours ago, thebandit27 said: The rules say it’s an incomplete pass; the officials, however, ruled the exact same play as a Josh Allen fumble in Green Bay in 2018. You must be thinking of a different game unless it got overturned. The only fumble in that game was on a scramble when Allen was two yards downfield and got hit from behind. He had the ball tucked but still lost it. The play wasn’t even remotely similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 49 minutes ago, Billl said: You must be thinking of a different game unless it got overturned. The only fumble in that game was on a scramble when Allen was two yards downfield and got hit from behind. He had the ball tucked but still lost it. The play wasn’t even remotely similar. Apparently it was one week prior against the Vikings (and it was Marcus Murphy not Foster): https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/9/26/17902834/nfl-week-3-worst-call-of-the-week-forward-pass-or-fumble-for-josh-allen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Apparently it was one week prior against the Vikings (and it was Marcus Murphy not Foster): https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/9/26/17902834/nfl-week-3-worst-call-of-the-week-forward-pass-or-fumble-for-josh-allen Yea that was an awful call. Not that it mattered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 10 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Was that a forward pass by the Cleveland QB that got scooped up and ran in by Jerry Hughes? We were winning that game and that would have sealed it I knew it when it was live. It's the very same play the Bills have used with McKenzie. Incomplete pass. That simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 That was painful to relive. No wonder we drafted Bass. Hopefully we shore up the run D and adding Diggs to the offense gives us a road W any day against this level of competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Raleigh • √eff said: Those goal line stands were pretty awesome though! For sure the D came up big (that’s what she said ?). But that was some of the worst play calling I’ve ever seen in my life. If I was running the Browns, I would have fired Kitchens after the game. They would bring on heavy personnel at like the 5 and take OBJ and Landry off the field. So stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Apparently it was one week prior against the Vikings (and it was Marcus Murphy not Foster): https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/9/26/17902834/nfl-week-3-worst-call-of-the-week-forward-pass-or-fumble-for-josh-allen Yeah, that was bad. The timing of the play was a little off, so I can sort of see how they could have thought the snap hit Ivory or something in real time. No excuse to not get it right after the review, though. Even worse is they confirmed it rather than just saying the call stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 11 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Was that a forward pass by the Cleveland QB that got scooped up and ran in by Jerry Hughes? We were winning that game and that would have sealed it It was a pass. There is a rule written for this exact type of play. There was a really long thread about this play right after it happened too. 32 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Apparently it was one week prior against the Vikings (and it was Marcus Murphy not Foster): https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/9/26/17902834/nfl-week-3-worst-call-of-the-week-forward-pass-or-fumble-for-josh-allen 12 minutes ago, Billl said: Yeah, that was bad. The timing of the play was a little off, so I can sort of see how they could have thought the snap hit Ivory or something in real time. No excuse to not get it right after the review, though. Even worse is they confirmed it rather than just saying the call stands. The difference is that they said Josh never actually possessed the ball. Right or wrong they ruled he never caught the snap, that he batted it to the runner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 The Browns talent level was good but their coaching was poor. Ultimately the Bills ran into a bad matchup on the road and lost a close game. I think had the game been in Buffalo the team would have pulled it out. In games this tight being away could make the difference. The Bills didn't come out flat (like they did in the Philly game) but they didn't come out sharpe either. And against a decent team away that's going to result in a tight game and ultimately the team lost on a kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 If ifs and buts were candy and nuts. . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I am surprised the Browns won, usually their players are in jail by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I know its tough, but DONT PICK THE SCAB!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I know this game was a loss and all, but one of my favorite sequences ever happened in this one: The goal line stand. The Browns had it from, what, the 2-yard line, with an epic amount of chances at it, and we stoned 'em. It was awesome. There's gotta be video of that sequence around somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Unfortunately it was a forward pass. That's why those plays exist, so that if the ball is mishandled it counts as an incompletion instead of a fumble. We run those same tap passes in our offense, usually with McKenzie receiving the ball. That game was the most frustrating game of the season. One we really should have won but let it slip through our fingers. It was a match between talent and coaching/discipline and this time talent edged us out. But now that we have a little more talent on both sides of the ball we should win games like that. 3 minutes ago, Logic said: I know this game was a loss and all, but one of my favorite sequences ever happened in this one: The goal line stand. The Browns had it from, what, the 2-yard line, with an epic amount of chances at it, and we stoned 'em. It was awesome. There's gotta be video of that sequence around somewhere. Yes, and that sequence showed that defensive holding is sometimes the smart thing to do. White held OBJ a couple times, took the flag, and lived to face him in a future down. And ultimately he ended up sealing the goal line stand with a pass breakup on OBJ. It was a great stand. If we had come away with the win that game would have been one worth rewatching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I place the blame for that loss on the pass rush. There was virtually no pressure on Mayfield during the final drive. We faced a very weak QB lineup in 2019, so the pass rush has got to be better. There's a lot of bodies in the front 7 and several guys with talent, so I'm hoping McD and Frazier can put together a stronger PR. Not a huge fan of Frazier's non aggressive approach. Ed Oliver's progress is going to play a huge role in all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 #1 reason (by no means the only) we lost that game was our run defense. Chubb had at least three runs where he was dragging multiple defenders for an extra ten yards. That's just straight up weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 We sure do love debating whether or not plays are forward passes around here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Peace Frog said: #1 reason (by no means the only) we lost that game was our run defense. Chubb had at least three runs where he was dragging multiple defenders for an extra ten yards. That's just straight up weak. Getting dragged by Chubb is one thing, getting dragged by Watson is another. Chubb is a beast, can’t blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I think it could of easily been called either way that’s why I think the call on the field should not of been changed. Everyone knows the idea of the play but there was no solid evidence the ball actually moved forward. Just to close to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, BananaB said: I think it could of easily been called either way that’s why I think the call on the field should not of been changed. Everyone knows the idea of the play but there was no solid evidence the ball actually moved forward. Just to close to call. The ball doesn’t have to move forward. Once the arm starts moving forward, that’s all that matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 That play had me jumping off my couch and celebrating in victory. Then I realized it was a forward pass. I'm glad those are considered forward passes though since we use them a lot in our offense now and with a lot of success. Josh can even get a TD or two credited to him every year using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Billl said: The ball doesn’t have to move forward. Once the arm starts moving forward, that’s all that matters. Yep. If people want to question whether the rule is right, that is fair enough. But in terms of interpretation as soon as I saw the replay I knew it was coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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