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mushypeaches Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I was thinking about this the other day too. I think Josh Allen is already the best QB in the division. And then I thought - this is probably the first time in history that the Bills can claim that 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: I was thinking about this the other day too. I think Josh Allen is already the best QB in the division. And then I thought - this is probably the first time in history that the Bills can claim that If we could have ever claimed to have the best QB in the AFC East - it would certainly be very few times (at best). Here is a year for you -- 1980. The AFC East Quarterbacks were: Jets -- Richard Todd Dolphins - David Woodley Patriots -- Steve Grogan Colts (yes, for you youngsters out there - the Colts in the AFC East back then) - Bert Jones Bills - Joe Ferguson I think that the 1980 version of Joe Ferguson might have been the best of this group - although I always had a high opinion of Bert Jones. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I’m surprised he didnt call him John Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bulldog said: If we could have ever claimed to have the best QB in the AFC East - it would certainly be very few times (at best). Here is a year for you -- 1980. The AFC East Quarterbacks were: Jets -- Richard Todd Dolphins - David Woodley Patriots -- Steve Grogan Colts (yes, for you youngsters out there - the Colts in the AFC East back then) - Bert Jones Bills - Joe Ferguson I think that the 1980 version of Joe Ferguson might have been the best of this group - although I always had a high opinion of Bert Jones. I would have to give the edge to Jones. He was one of the best pure passers in the game during that time. Ferguson had a good year in 80 but overall he was up and down. In my lifetime Ferguson was the 2nd best QB to play for the Bills. Jack Kemp was before my time although he probably should be ahead Ferguson based on the back to back AFL championships he led the Bills to. Edited April 20, 2020 by Greg S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Josh Allen is the worst. Am I doing it right? I'm trying to act like the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) Jet fans are stewing hard over this. This reminds me of the Kelly/Marino rivalry. Marino was the slightly better passer, but Kelly had the better overall team. Couldn't explain that to phish fans. The majority of the Jet fan base thinks Darnold is good enough to overcome lack of talent and bad coaching/management. When he fails, they resort to excuses of that manner. Funny how they call Allen inaccurate yet Darnold threw more INTs in 4 less games in 2019 Edited April 20, 2020 by buffalo2218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, DJB said: Josh Allen is the worst. Am I doing it right? I'm trying to act like the media. You forgot to add the Bills are overrated and will go 6-10 at best and the Patriots are the greatest sports franchise ever. Then you will sound like the media. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Greg S said: I would have to give the edge to Jones. He was one of the best pure passers in the game during that time. Ferguson had a good year in 80 but overall he was up and down. In my lifetime Ferguson was the 2nd best QB to play for the Bills. Jack Kemp was before my time although he probably should be ahead Ferguson based on the back to back AFL championships he led the Bills to. As a passer Fergie is the 2nd best Bills QB of all time. Hoping Josh eventually bumps him down to 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 At this moment it's Allen and I hope it stays that way but..... I think Darnold will have the better career and be the better QB but that depends on how quickly the Jets get rid of Gase. Darnold might have to move away from New Jersey to overtake Allen. But then he won't be in the AFC East (probably). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, BritBill said: At this moment it's Allen and I hope it stays that way but..... I think Darnold will have the better career and be the better QB but that depends on how quickly the Jets get rid of Gase. Darnold might have to move away from New Jersey to overtake Allen. But then he won't be in the AFC East (probably). Jets fans are hoping Joe Douglas does for them what Beane has done for the Bills. But if the Jets are going to get better then Gase will have to go. He is terrible IMHO but I hope he stays their HC for the obvious reason. JD has a 6 year contract with the Jets so the chances he gets to hire his own HC is probably a good one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Posted this vid the other day in a different thread. I get the biggest kick out of Clark. He begrudgingly says Allen Is the best but it’s totally backhanded and you can tell its physically and emotionally paining him to admit it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Posted this vid the other day in a different thread. I get the biggest kick out of Clark. He begrudgingly says Allen Is the best but it’s totally backhanded and you can tell its physically and emotionally paining him to admit it. I mean it’s a little different than the NFC South, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 54 minutes ago, Bulldog said: If we could have ever claimed to have the best QB in the AFC East - it would certainly be very few times (at best). Here is a year for you -- 1980. The AFC East Quarterbacks were: Jets -- Richard Todd Dolphins - David Woodley Patriots -- Steve Grogan Colts (yes, for you youngsters out there - the Colts in the AFC East back then) - Bert Jones Bills - Joe Ferguson I think that the 1980 version of Joe Ferguson might have been the best of this group - although I always had a high opinion of Bert Jones. If Jones didn't get injured, he would be one of the best ever. Much better than Fergy, who WAS good, but not even close to Jones. Jmo. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Posted this vid the other day in a different thread. I get the biggest kick out of Clark. He begrudgingly says Allen Is the best but it’s totally backhanded and you can tell its physically and emotionally paining him to admit it. To be fair, it's probably the worst division in the league in terms of QB play right now. The fact that it's a debate between Darnold and Allen is pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 46 minutes ago, Greg S said: I would have to give the edge to Jones. He was one of the best pure passers in the game during that time. Ferguson had a good year in 80 but overall he was up and down. In my lifetime Ferguson was the 2nd best QB to play for the Bills. Jack Kemp was before my time although he probably should be ahead Ferguson based on the back to back AFL championships he led the Bills to. Yeah, I don't remember 1980 Bert Jones very well, but overall he just crushed Sad Sack Fergy. Fergy did have a good year in 1980 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, mushypeaches said: I was thinking about this the other day too. I think Josh Allen is already the best QB in the division. And then I thought - this is probably the first time in history that the Bills can claim that Who was better than Jim Kelly and the 4 superbowls that he led us to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, Greg S said: I would have to give the edge to Jones. He was one of the best pure passers in the game during that time. Ferguson had a good year in 80 but overall he was up and down. In my lifetime Ferguson was the 2nd best QB to play for the Bills. Jack Kemp was before my time although he probably should be ahead Ferguson based on the back to back AFL championships he led the Bills to. Ferguson was five times better than Kemp, and I liked Kemp. But Saban would regularly pull Kemp in the middle of games and put Lamonica in to jump start the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 34 minutes ago, BritBill said: At this moment it's Allen and I hope it stays that way but..... I think Darnold will have the better career and be the better QB but that depends on how quickly the Jets get rid of Gase. Darnold might have to move away from New Jersey to overtake Allen. But then he won't be in the AFC East (probably). And what evidence is there of that? Darnold is an INT machine and was in college too. His coach doesn't cause him to throw INT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, hjnick said: Who was better than Jim Kelly and the 4 superbowls that he led us to? As far as best QB in the division during this time many would give the nod to Marino. Both were great QB's but Marino was probably better. Jim had the better team which is why the Bills won most of the games between the two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 41 minutes ago, BritBill said: At this moment it's Allen and I hope it stays that way but..... I think Darnold will have the better career and be the better QB but that depends on how quickly the Jets get rid of Gase. Darnold might have to move away from New Jersey to overtake Allen. But then he won't be in the AFC East (probably). It’s pretty much a coin flip between the two at this point. Amazing how young Sam still is. He’s more than a year younger than Josh and seven months younger than Burrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, Greg S said: Jets fans are hoping Joe Douglas does for them what Beane has done for the Bills. But if the Jets are going to get better then Gase will have to go. He is terrible IMHO but I hope he stays their HC for the obvious reason. JD has a 6 year contract with the Jets so the chances he gets to hire his own HC is probably a good one. Step one - get rid of the bad contracts and malcontents. Can probably get some value for adams if you trade him now to a team who wants to extend him. Bells contract is pretty bad and untradeable but it's worth it to get him off the books. Figure out what you can do with Enunwa. Mosley's overpaid but a good player. I'd consider moving him next season. Get your ass kicked in dead money for 1 year, and then you're free of a lot of bad contracts and problems that were signed by previous regimes. You'll have money available to extend Darnold, sign free agents that help build the team in the image you're looking for, and will hopefully accumulate some draft capital to help. Hell, you might even suck enough to get #1 overall! Or if you're buffalo you could just, make the playoffs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, Greg S said: As far as best QB in the division during this time many would give the nod to Marino. Both were great QB's but Marino was probably better. Jim had the better team which is why the Bills won most of the games between the two. Ok. I guess it just depends on what you consider 'the best' QB. I would think record to team would figure into it. No doubt that Marino was a great QB, but for Kelly NOT to be considered the top QB in the AFC East during the superbowl run just doesn't sound right. He did lead an innovative offense where he made the calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJB said: Josh Allen is the worst. Am I doing it right? I'm trying to act like the media. That depends Are you talking about the ( the worst) in the AFC East or the NFL ?? Go Bills !!! Edited April 20, 2020 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 No matter who will be the starting QB for Pats****** will be better then Josh ? What an idiot wouldn’t even name my dog Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, BritBill said: At this moment it's Allen and I hope it stays that way but..... I think Darnold will have the better career and be the better QB but that depends on how quickly the Jets get rid of Gase. Darnold might have to move away from New Jersey to overtake Allen. But then he won't be in the AFC East (probably). Darnold will always have his problems, his cons. Just like Allen will. Everyone should realize by now that Darnold is not the once in every 10 years type QB many thought he was. I still think he's a franchise guy in the long run just like Allen. But many of the things he does now, like throwing off his back foot when under duress will stick with him throughout his career. And even if his team were better, he's still going to find himself under duress every single season and week at some point. Even the great o-lines let pressure through in this league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said: If Jones didn't get injured, he would be one of the best ever. Much better than Fergy, who WAS good, but not even close to Jones. Jmo. My dad SWEARS by this Bill. I wasn’t alive then but he always says that Bert Jones is the best pure passer that he’s ever seen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: My dad SWEARS by this Bill. I wasn’t alive then but he always says that Bert Jones is the best pure passer that he’s ever seen. Not only that, he was smart, fast on his feet, and big. There was no phase of the game at which he didn't excel. It's hard to describe his arm strength, and I was young when I watched him but I'm thinking that his arm was a mixture of Marino and Bledsoe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Darnold will always have his problems, his cons. Just like Allen will. Everyone should realize by now that Darnold is not the once in every 10 years type QB many thought he was. I still think he's a franchise guy in the long run just like Allen. But many of the things he does now, like throwing off his back foot when under duress will stick with him throughout his career. And even if his team were better, he's still going to find himself under duress every single season and week at some point. Even the great o-lines let pressure through in this league. If fairness to Darnold the Jets are an absolute train wreck on offense. Their OL line is garbage and they no weapons outside of Bell right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I think after this season ends, I think it'll be: Fitz Allen with Darnold a close 3rd Whoever NE rolls out there. Unless they roll with Cam Newton of Winston. If this happens, Josh may end up 3rd or tied with Darnold for 4th. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 At the moment it is Josh Allen. I still think he and Darnold is closer than some Bills fans seem to assume though. At the moment Allen is the one in a stable, well run organisation and Darnold is in a trainwreck. If Joe Douglas gets the Jets organisation straightened out then Sam has every chance to be as good if not better than Josh but there is a lot to fix first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Dopey said: I think after this season ends, I think it'll be: Fitz Allen with Darnold a close 3rd Whoever NE rolls out there. Unless they roll with Cam Newton of Winston. If this happens, Josh may end up 3rd or tied with Darnold for 4th. No disrespect to Fitz but if he has a better season than Allen then the Bills might be in trouble here. With the talent on this team and this being his 3rd year in the league, Josh needs to step up and start being the QB the Bills think he will be. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, Greg S said: No disrespect to Fitz but if he has a better season than Allen then the Bills might be in trouble here. With the talent on this team and this being his 3rd year in the league, Josh needs to step up and start being the QB the Bills think he will be. Yes, Fitz being better than Allen is a sad and scary scenario, one which I thankfully doubt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dopey said: I think after this season ends, I think it'll be: Fitz Allen with Darnold a close 3rd Whoever NE rolls out there. Unless they roll with Cam Newton of Winston. If this happens, Josh may end up 3rd or tied with Darnold for 4th. You're hilarious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 hours ago, MJS said: And what evidence is there of that? Darnold is an INT machine and was in college too. His coach doesn't cause him to throw INT's. False. He was not an interception machine in college. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, yungmack said: False. He was not an interception machine in college. Yes he was. He threw one per game almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The talent comparison between the two isn't even close... Fitz just processes a lot quicker than Allen at this point in both their careers.... I'd still take Allen over Fitz in a heartbeat. Not even a question. This being his 3rd year in the league hopefully the game starts to slow down for Josh and he starts to make better decisions with the ball. If Allen can improve then a Super Bowl run is possible. Talent wise this is one of the better teams in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, MJS said: Yes he was. He threw one per game almost. Darnold: 22 in 846 career passes Allen: 21 in 649 career passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 5 hours ago, mushypeaches said: I was thinking about this the other day too. I think Josh Allen is already the best QB in the division. And then I thought - this is probably the first time in history that the Bills can claim that My young padouin as stated in Star Wars, many state Marino, but Kelly kicked his ars for years because they only had super duper, meaning duper and clayton, no RB, no defense, and Kelly is one of the toughest QB's I've ever seen and that includes Favre who is one tough as nails QB. I couldn't believe how he would wait when the rules were different and would get tattoed so he made that ball to Lofton, Beebe, and my favorite, Over the Middle, Reed. If you are old enough to have watched every one of those games, you'd know what he meant to the AFCE and Buffalo. Ask Chris Berman? That is not to take away from how magical Marino was in his day. Id still take Kelly six days a week and twice on Sunday. Kelly Tough! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 The answer right now is Josh. The answer could be Darnold or the Dolphins pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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