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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Benjamin Albright said something similar, that we scouted WRs that would be available with our first pick and didn't feel entirely on board with any of them. Diggs was a sure thing. Plus with OTAs and possibly training camp being delayed the rookie learning curve will be steeper than ever. I imagine that played into it.

 

tbh a lot of these WR's could be available in the 2nd round, thats how deep the class is this year. 

 

Shenault, Pittman, and even Higgens could fall into our lap

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2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:


can put that off a year with Beasley brown and Diggs no ? 
 

JK Dobbins in the second ✊?✊?

Dobbins would be the ideal complement to Motor. Unfortunately the Dolphins LOVE him and will nab him with the third of their 3 first round picks. He'll be long gone by #54.

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2 hours ago, DFT said:

Well, I believe VERY differently and not really gonna divulge why or debate this one (respectfully).  I believe the move has much more to do with player-readiness in the wake of the season’s delays and it’s impact on the rookie receivers.  Just my opinion.  I’m sure we’ll learn more as we move forward.

You've already said too much.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

That doesnt follow Beane's MO.....we strongly  biult our OL through free agency and still drafted Cody Ford in the 2nd round

 

I think its gonna be BPA

Who is not a WR or QB or FB or TE.

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I hope this is just limited to Higgins in the first. In a historically deep WR draft, it would be criminal for them to neglect to add a solid prospect through the draft. Diggs shouldn’t be all they do. 

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2 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

I hope this is just limited to Higgins in the first. In a historically deep WR draft, it would be criminal for them to neglect to add a solid prospect through the draft. Diggs shouldn’t be all they do. 

Do you think that a 2-3 year stretch in the pokey is in order?

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I am sure it played a part. The were rumours of the Bills sniffing round Diggs around the trade deadline so I think that interest is long held. But I find it entirely credible that Higgins was the top guy on their receiver board that they thought would last until #22 and they were grappling with the question "is he worth that pick?" Because that is pretty much where I have been too. They decided there was more value in Diggs as the proven commodity. And I agree with them. 

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11 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

You've already said too much.

 

 

 

Who is not a WR or QB or FB or TE.

OK...you just go ahead and forget last year if that fits your want better chief

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I am sure it played a part. The were rumours of the Bills sniffing round Diggs around the trade deadline so I think that interest is long held. But I find it entirely credible that Higgins was the top guy on their receiver board that they thought would last until #22 and they were grappling with the question "is he worth that pick?" Because that is pretty much where I have been too. They decided there was more value in Diggs as the proven commodity. And I agree with them. 

Gunner I was actually leaning Higgins to and I think they made the right decision getting Diggs

 

He is just too good now to hope that Higgins can be good later....I was really dissapointed that he didnt run at the combine without a injury.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

OK...you just go ahead and forget last year if that fits your want better chief

 

John, I think your having trouble with reading comprehension again.  

 

Can you tell me which of these was not a big need last draft: DT, O-line, RB, TE?  Those were, if memory serves, the first 4 positions picked. 

 

This time around the team is much more "built" and there are positions that they most definitely will not address in the 2nd.   As a matter of fact, I feel so confident in this, chief, that if a WR or QB is drafted in round 2 by the Bills in the 2020 draft I will never again criticize your horrible takes.

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22 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

John, I think your having trouble with reading comprehension again.  

 

Can you tell me which of these was not a big need last draft: DT, O-line, RB, TE?  Those were, if memory serves, the first 4 positions picked. 

 

This time around the team is much more "built" and there are positions that they most definitely will not address in the 2nd.   As a matter of fact, I feel so confident in this, chief, that if a WR or QB is drafted in round 2 by the Bills in the 2020 draft I will never again criticize your horrible takes.

Sill living in alternate reality I see

 

BEFORE the draft we addressed offensive line in a big way......ALL the positions

 

Then

 

We turned around and drafted Ford in the 2nd round.....despite the fact that we aggressively addressed the offensive line BEFORE the draft

 

And dont give me this ***** about QB....of course we are not drafting a QB in the second way to go out on a limb there

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8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Sill living in alternate reality I see

 

BEFORE the draft we addressed offensive line in a big way......ALL the positions

 

Then

 

We turned around and drafted Ford in the 2nd round.....despite the fact that we aggressively addressed the offensive line BEFORE the draft

 

And dont give me this ***** about QB....of course we are not drafting a QB in the second way to go out on a limb there

Or a WR, chief. To make you feel better I'll toss in TE and FB too.  How's that, chief?  It simply will not happen.  There are 5 o linemen on the field at one time.  Sometimes six or even 7.  If you think that they fully addressed the o line in FA last off season then you are no  chief.

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1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said:

Or a WR, chief. To make you feel better I'll toss in TE and FB too.  How's that, chief?  It simply will not happen.  There are 5 o linemen on the field at one time.  Sometimes six or even 7.  If you think that they fully addressed the o line in FA last off season then you are no  chief.

I see....so because you want a O Linemen so bad you refuse to recognize the fact that while we have plenty of speed on the field.....we still dont have a lot of size at WR

 

If a guy like Claypool drops to our 2nd round pick......I am sure he will be in play.

 

.....Chief

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

I see....so because you want a O Linemen so bad you refuse to recognize the fact that while we have plenty of speed on the field.....we still dont have a lot of size at WR

 

If a guy like Claypool drops to our 2nd round pick......I am sure he will be in play.

 

.....Chief

You're confused again, chief.  I don't have any desire for an offensive lineman.  It would surprise me if they took one in the second.

 

What I do know with 100% certainty is no WR.  

 

And, that's my last comment on this subject.  I'd be breaking my rule if I replied to you again on in this topic.  

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This could be an outstanding WR draft class, but doing a quick cost benefit analysis, trading those picks and taking on Diggs' contract (and likely extension should he perform) is far better than using the 22nd pick on a guy like Higgins or even moving up with another pick to take one of Lamb, Jeudy, or Ruggs.  Those guys may be stars but it'll take them a little time to acclimate.  And it means they can perform a true assessment of Allen at the 2020 season's conclusion.  

 

It was hard to stomach the 2017-18 seasons when Buffalo unloaded so much cap space and featured lesser talented teams, particularly on offense.  But having cap space makes a deal like this possible and for that I give McBeane credit. Good on them not following conventional wisdom and taking what was left at 22 or even trading up.  

 

 

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9 hours ago, DFT said:

Well, I believe VERY differently and not really gonna divulge why or debate this one (respectfully).  I believe the move has much more to do with player-readiness in the wake of the season’s delays and it’s impact on the rookie receivers.  Just my opinion.  I’m sure we’ll learn more as we move forward.

High level business meetings?

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1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said:

To put John Brown or Beasley on the bench in a 3 WR set?  

Thanks. These people clamoring for another WR have no clue what successful teams invest/carry at the position. The Chiefs don’t have a “size guy” that TBD posters claim the Bills still need. Drafting a 4th WR who would play 20% of snaps or so at best isn’t going to happen. 

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13 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

Beane's overriding impetus seems to be flexibility. Every one of his moves, signings, the contracts, etc seems to be based of making sure he isn't forced to make a move. They will almost certainly draft a WR, but Higgins bombing his workout would have reduced the flexibility at 22 into taking someone they may not believe to be a '22' player. Diggs in the fold means they can virtually go any direction they want on draft day. 

 

..and I have a hunch with the run on WR and O-line that seems to be coming that the Bills draft a defensive player

Ya I can see a CB being the pick , but I believe they will go bpa at WR,DE,CB, maybe OT. We really have no glaring needs .

 

Could see them going RB in Rd 3 . 

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I wouldn't say WR is completof off the table in round 2, but I'd be very surprised if they took one there after acquiring Diggs.  I think it would have to be someone that is left that they rate significantly higher than any of the available DE, CB, OT or even RB left.  I'm starting to think that CB could be the position with BPA left, but DE is still certainly a need if there is a good player left there.

 

i could imagine, though, that the above scenario could happen in round 3 - there could still be a WR that just stands out so much on their board that they take him.

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9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I see....so because you want a O Linemen so bad you refuse to recognize the fact that while we have plenty of speed on the field.....we still dont have a lot of size at WR

 

If a guy like Claypool drops to our 2nd round pick......I am sure he will be in play.

 

.....Chief

 

9 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Or a WR, chief. To make you feel better I'll toss in TE and FB too.  How's that, chief?  It simply will not happen.  There are 5 o linemen on the field at one time.  Sometimes six or even 7.  If you think that they fully addressed the o line in FA last off season then you are no  chief.

 

I think it’s so funny that you are both named Chief!  It’s really not a very common guy name at all.  It would be like two girls named Cinnamon randomly bumping into each other on a chat board.  What are the odds? Maybe if it was a stripper chat board the odds would be a little bit better, but you know what I mean.

 

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16 hours ago, DFT said:

Well, I believe VERY differently and not really gonna divulge why or debate this one (respectfully).  I believe the move has much more to do with player-readiness in the wake of the season’s delays and it’s impact on the rookie receivers.  Just my opinion.  I’m sure we’ll learn more as we move forward.

This makes sense, and if so, adds to the feeling that we are in “win now” mode, if and when the season is played.  

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