Seasons1992 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28838824/nfl-seeks-us-supreme-court-review-case-aimed-sunday-ticket As an out of towner, I have zero issue with not spending $300 in one place. I'm blessed to live in a building that ALLOWS me to buy the Ticket as a renter and stream it on my TV/computer/phone (super helpful at fall kid soccer games). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) The title is a bit misleading. It's highly unlikely that even if the court takes up the case, it will lead to overturning decades of precedents of allowing exclusive content distribution arrangements. PS it's notable that it's the NFL that's bringing the case to SCOTUS, with the expectation that the Court will affirm existing rules. Edited March 5, 2020 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I HOPE SO! Dumped DirecTV for YouTube TV (best move I've made in a while) - however I'm now shut out from having any way of RELIABLY getting Bills game (I'm out of town) since I can't get Sunday Ticket anymore. I've warned my wife I'll be at the bar most Sunday's now - but even that's not ideal (bunch of local fans cheering their team / no volume, etc.). NFL was stoopid to grant exclusivity to DirecTV in the first place. Of course they made a fortune, but they alienate millions of fans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, GG said: The title is a bit misleading. It's highly unlikely that even if the court takes up the case, it will lead to overturning decades of precedents of allowing exclusive content distribution arrangements. What do you predict the situation will be in, say, 2022? By the way, you'll get a kick out of this: This year, Direct TV stopped working for us because the street trees in front of our house and on the public sidewalk (14th St in Brooklyn) have grown so tall that they block reception from the Direct TV tower. We didn't realize that the dish only gets reception in one direction, and since our backyard is free of really tall trees, we were flummoxed. This started a year and a half ago, and the repair guy simply walked our dish over two houses (without us knowing) and planted it on top of another house! That house gets sold in the meantime, and the new owners discovered this and simply cut the cord (which i totally get and had no problem with). The repair guys came back and re-positioned on top of our house, and when it didn't work they figured it out - it was the trees. Consequently, we became one of the rare qualifiers for Direct TV's streaming NFL ticket package (you have to prove obstruction or no nearby tower service to get it). We signed up for that via our son who is in college, so we got the student rate - $80 for the season! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: What do you predict the situation will be in, say, 2022? I honestly think it will be a moot point by then. I think that AT&T is having serious buyers' remorse in buying DTV, thinking that Sunday Ticket was the golden goose. I doubt AT&T wants to pony up that much for an exclusive. I think that with tech that's available now, NFL will be able to strike a deal with willing cable & satellite companies for a package that will net the league about $2 billion. My guess on the league's action with SCOTUS is to preserve its ability to control the packaging of the rights, and not allow a legal right for individual teams to negotiate TV or streaming deals. 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: By the way, you'll get a kick out of this: This year, Direct TV stopped working for us because the street trees in front of our house and on the public sidewalk (14th St in Brooklyn) have grown so tall that they block reception from the Direct TV tower. We didn't realize that the dish only gets reception in one direction, and since our backyard is free of really tall trees, we were flummoxed. This started a year and a half ago, and the repair guy simply walked our dish over two houses (without us knowing) and planted it on top of another house! That house gets sold in the meantime, and the new owners discovered this and simply cut the cord (which i totally get and had no problem with). The repair guys came back and re-positioned on top of our house, and when it didn't work they figured it out - it was the trees. Consequently, we became one of the rare qualifiers for Direct TV's streaming NFL ticket package (you have to prove obstruction or no nearby tower service to get it). We signed up for that via our son who is in college, so we got the student rate - $80 for the season! Looks like more than one tree grew in Brooklyn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, GG said: Looks like more than one tree grew in Brooklyn. I see what you did there............applause. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Ehh...plenty of free streaming solutions out there. Sunday Ticket is overpriced and I know tons of people who prefer the streaming options 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I quit Sunday Ticket online before last season (in fact before they conveniently "auto renewed" me), but they STILL charged me and NEVER fully refunded me. So, you know, F them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 The NFL has indicated they want to make Sunday Ticket available on other platforms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Did you read what this case is about? It would be a boon to the Dallas Cowboys and elite franchises. (That term may not apply to the Patriots anymore.) They want to be able to let teams market games individually. That means "America's Team" would pummel teams like the Bengals and Jaguars in that new revenue stream. How would the Bills do? As long as we are competitive I think #BillsMafia will pony up but we'll always be middling at best revenue-wise. But it might be the first crack in the all-for-one, one-for-all Pete Rozelle revenue model the NFL has had for decades. Edited March 5, 2020 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 56 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: I've warned my wife I'll be at the bar most Sunday's now... So did I to mine, to which she replied “What else is new?!” ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Streamed games for years now because the Bills are RARELY on in VA. This past season was the most I've ever been able to watch them on live TV since the 90's because we played the NFC East, Baltimore, a Pats game (initially forgot that one), and had Pittsburgh on a Sunday night. It was awesome. Next year it will be back to the streams except for 3 or 4 I bet. Edited March 5, 2020 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: As long as we are competitive You're not a real fan. I've spent hours and $$$$ watching the crap factory for years............??? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, GG said: I honestly think it will be a moot point by then. I think that AT&T is having serious buyers' remorse in buying DTV, thinking that Sunday Ticket was the golden goose. I doubt AT&T wants to pony up that much for an exclusive. I think that with tech that's available now, NFL will be able to strike a deal with willing cable & satellite companies for a package that will net the league about $2 billion. My guess on the league's action with SCOTUS is to preserve its ability to control the packaging of the rights, and not allow a legal right for individual teams to negotiate TV or streaming deals. They’re already streaming Thursday night games on amazon and Hulu. My guess is that a “Sunday ticket” moves to a PPV service on different streaming channels with possible package deals available. It makes the most sense and allows for an international audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: I HOPE SO! Dumped DirecTV for YouTube TV (best move I've made in a while) - however I'm now shut out from having any way of RELIABLY getting Bills game (I'm out of town) since I can't get Sunday Ticket anymore. I've warned my wife I'll be at the bar most Sunday's now - but even that's not ideal (bunch of local fans cheering their team / no volume, etc.). NFL was stoopid to grant exclusivity to DirecTV in the first place. Of course they made a fortune, but they alienate millions of fans. find a college kid, pay them $30 for their email, and sign up for the streaming package for college kids 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I know I am in the minority here, but I really don't have any problem with Directv. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Last month I went to Best Buy's website to buy an Amazon firestick and on their website was an add for a jailbroken firestick 4k(not sold by Best Buy). $70 later, I now have Sunday Ticket and MLB Extra Inning for free. As long as my internet signal is strong, it's awesome. Watching the Yankees so far with no buffering. Comcast down here does not have the ACC network available. I am now watching FSU basketball for free too. Dump DirectTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Did you read what this case is about? It would be a boon to the Dallas Cowboys and elite franchises. (That term may not apply to the Patriots anymore.) They want to be able to let teams market games individually. That means "America's Team" would pummel teams like the Bengals and Jaguars in that new revenue stream. How would the Bills do? As long as we are competitive I think #BillsMafia will pony up but we'll always be middling at best revenue-wise. But it might be the first crack in the all-for-one, one-for-all Pete Rozelle revenue model the NFL has had for decades. The case is to break up NFL's negotiating rights as a league, but NFL's action is to preserve the right to negotiate as a league. 58 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: They’re already streaming Thursday night games on amazon and Hulu. My guess is that a “Sunday ticket” moves to a PPV service on different streaming channels with possible package deals available. It makes the most sense and allows for an international audience. There's not enough money in the streaming deals to replace the DTV contract. You would also miss out on a lot of fans by going streaming only. Cable & satellite have to be part of the next deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Seasons1992 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28838824/nfl-seeks-us-supreme-court-review-case-aimed-sunday-ticket As an out of towner, I have zero issue with not spending $300 in one place. I'm blessed to live in a building that ALLOWS me to buy the Ticket as a renter and stream it on my TV/computer/phone (super helpful at fall kid soccer games). it will go away in 2022 once the deal expires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I know I am in the minority here, but I really don't have any problem with Directv. It's fine. People want everything for free now. I get it that people are mad about customer service but I'm not sure outside an outage why you would be on with them very much. I do everything on the website, i think i've spoken to them twice in 20 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I’m interested in some improvement. while the research in the article is wrong 1) you can buy Sunday ticket month to month and cancel 2) it won’t get you all of your games. in order to watch all the bills games I had to subscribe to this year, in one way or another; 1) Sunday ticket 2) Hulu or some other service supporting ESPN 3) nfl network in someway 4) Some other NFL APP for preseason fix that for the love of all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Individual games should be available for pay per view. I put down my drink to type this. YES. Life should be available for PPV. I only pay for what I want. No strings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I know I am in the minority here, but I really don't have any problem with Directv. You posted it in wrong thread - post in this one: Share an Unpopular Bills-Related Opinion 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I know I am in the minority here, but I really don't have any problem with Directv. I don't have a problem either...I call a couple of times a year to haggle over pricing and I usually get big discounts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, Seasons1992 said: You're not a real fan. I've spent hours and $$$$ watching the crap factory for years............??? Oh I'm a Bills junkie, strung out for years. Finally getting the good stuff. Edited March 6, 2020 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: find a college kid, pay them $30 for their email, and sign up for the streaming package for college kids My kid IS in college, but out of state. Won't they shut me out if I try to log in from another state? Do I need to find a LOCAL college kid in my area only? Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: My kid IS in college, but out of state. Won't they shut me out if I try to log in from another state? Do I need to find a LOCAL college kid in my area only? Thx Don’t think so. My son used my login from out of state while I watched on DTV. I told them I travel and wanted to see the game. No problemo! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: My kid IS in college, but out of state. Won't they shut me out if I try to log in from another state? Do I need to find a LOCAL college kid in my area only? Thx Nope. You just create a login information and can sign in anywhere. My dad isn’t in college but I’ve been using his email for years. People on EBAY also sell Sunday Ticket logins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: find a college kid, pay them $30 for their email, and sign up for the streaming package for college kids For $50 you could probably get a college kid to throw in a kidney! Gotta have that beer money! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 On what basis would this case succeed against the league? No one has to purchase Sunday Ticket....unless they want to watch games other than those that are not network broadcast. The NFL does not want to allow teams to sell their own viewing rights (that would be the end of revenue sharing model that keeps the NFL as is). What precedent is there for forcing a company to change the way it has chosen to sell its product (a large fraction of which is given away for free anyway)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisele Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I don't mind paying for $300 for Sunday Ticket. I just don't want to pay DirecTV $2232 a year (not including Sunday Ticket) so I can buy Sunday Ticket. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: On what basis would this case succeed against the league? No one has to purchase Sunday Ticket....unless they want to watch games other than those that are not network broadcast. The NFL does not want to allow teams to sell their own viewing rights (that would be the end of revenue sharing model that keeps the NFL as is). What precedent is there for forcing a company to change the way it has chosen to sell its product (a large fraction of which is given away for free anyway)? The “large fraction” is not exactly given away for “free”, they are very well compensated. They just get paid a different way. But I fully agree with you that the network games and the leftovers are theirs to sell any way they’d like. Make it a million dollars a game if you like. Then I’ll just pass. The trick is finding the right balance. It’s up to the owner of the product to decide how they sell it. Econ 101. (Full disclosure, I did not read the article.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Augie said: The “large fraction” is not exactly given away for “free”, they are very well compensated. They just get paid a different way. But I fully agree with you that the network games and the leftovers are theirs to sell any way they’d like. Make it a million dollars a game if you like. Then I’ll just pass. The trick is finding the right balance. It’s up to the owner of the product to decide how they sell it. Econ 101. (Full disclosure, I did not read the article.) Given free to the consumers who are suing them over the cost of the games that are not free. Edited March 6, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gisele said: I don't mind paying for $300 for Sunday Ticket. I just don't want to pay DirecTV $2232 a year (not including Sunday Ticket) so I can buy Sunday Ticket. EXACTLY! This is the problem. I use the garbage that is AT&T U-Verse daily, but DTV is only for Bills games and the 2-3 times a year U-Verse goes out. To pay $300 would be a pleasure. Heck, I could go to Europe on the savings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Seasons1992 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28838824/nfl-seeks-us-supreme-court-review-case-aimed-sunday-ticket As an out of towner, I have zero issue with not spending $300 in one place. I'm blessed to live in a building that ALLOWS me to buy the Ticket as a renter and stream it on my TV/computer/phone (super helpful at fall kid soccer games). This is rather interesting as the major sports have a monopoly waiver from the federal government as their entire organization is a Trust which is unlawful under those monopoly laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 7 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I know I am in the minority here, but I really don't have any problem with Directv. you are most def in the minority - consider yourself lucky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I use the European version of Sunday Ticket (signed up using a VPN) to avoid the DirectTV issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, ny33 said: I use the European version of Sunday Ticket (signed up using a VPN) to avoid the DirectTV issue. Are there subtitles? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 15 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said: ... You are a funny guy. I bet you are a blast at parties... . I'm not a blast at parties, BUFFALOBART.........I AM the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 19 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Oh I'm a Bills junkie, strung out for years. Finally getting the food stuff. Bills junkie.. I love it. I’ll start using that to describe myself. Or fanatic? That’s good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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