78thealltimegreat Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) But a 4.39 at 226 holy freaking wow a backfield of him and Motor but I know we need a WR Edited February 29, 2020 by 78thealltimegreat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 With all the freaky talent out there, some of it has to fall. Praying our guys play it right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Josh Jacobs went 24. Any similarities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 We need guys that can hit a home run with the ball in their hands. He fits the bill (see what I did there) we can go a lot of different ways in the first WR OL Rb Corner and it not need based which is excellent WR is a need but it’s so deep you do t have to get one with that first pick. Which opens up the possibility of a RB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 We need explosive playmakers on offense. I don’t think it matters whether it’s a RB, WR, or TE. Get more guys who can make big plays when they touch the ball. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said: We need guys that can hit a home run with the ball in their hands. He fits the bill (see what I did there) we can go a lot of different ways in the first WR OL Rb Corner and it not need based which is excellent WR is a need but it’s so deep you do t have to get one with that first pick. Which opens up the possibility of a RB I certainly do not see RB in the first, but don’t forget edge. That would not shock me if the value is there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 all depends on free agency. if we fill some holes there this would be a nice pick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Taylor remains as my RB1 and I’d be thrilled if they took him at 22, but I value running backs more than a lot of people do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I really hope we don't take a RB in the first, but if we did, I would tend to prefer Swift. Taylor does look like a really good runner though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, PIZ said: Josh Jacobs went 24. Any similarities? Yes. I’m not big on RB that high though. Taylor is a really good player but it’s not because of the 40 time. One dimensional though, not to say he can’t catch the ball. Devin never caught the ball at FAU either but the Bills ran some drills with him in his personal workout and voila. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I really don't think Buffalo will take a running back in round one, but I think there are a bunch of good running backs that will get drafted in rounds two and three, and the Bills may be a team that gets one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Taylor remains as my RB1 and I’d be thrilled if they took him at 22, but I value running backs more than a lot of people do. How ridiculous would a duo of Taylor & Singletary be. Lots of choices. We need edge, we need wr and Gore's replacement. Can't get em all @ 22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 After reading this, it might be a hard pass... https://nflmocks.com/2020/01/14/2020-nfl-draft-jonathan-taylor-overrated/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I knew about him for months now. He is a Derrick Henry style of RB making his 40 even that more impressive. I wanted him RD2, but now I think he goes RD1. I think Buffalo goes WR RD1. I’d look to Zack Moss in RD3 if we go RB. RD2 will likely be EDGE. The rest of our picks will go towards OL, LB and CB. It will be interesting to see how Beane views Cody Ford, he was playing with a torn rotator cuff which is a debilitating injury for a tackle. Calvin Throckmorton is a guy we can maybe snag in RD4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes. I’m not big on RB that high though. Taylor is a really good player but it’s not because of the 40 time. One dimensional though, not to say he can’t catch the ball. Devin never caught the ball at FAU either but the Bills ran some drills with him in his personal workout and voila. He was one of the worst RBs in the league this year in terms of catching the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DCOrange said: He was one of the worst RBs in the league this year in terms of catching the ball? I was referring to whether a team would draft him without receiving production if they were looking for a RB to utilize in the passing game, and comparing to what the Bills did with Devin, not projecting his success at that in his rookie year Edited February 29, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 11 hours ago, TigerJ said: I really don't think Buffalo will take a running back in round one, but I think there are a bunch of good running backs that will get drafted in rounds two and three, and the Bills may be a team that gets one. I don’t think it is the target, all grades equal, but if there is a home run threat at RB and WR/edge are depleted then I could say them doing it. i think those are 3 needs but easier to catch a dynamic back day 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 You would have to get elite production out of Taylor for his first 3 yeara. Imo he is a 1 contract back. The carries he had at Wisconsin will catch up to him. Now he is a speciel talent but 900 carries in todays day and age is unheard of. A high pick for assume 4 years is too much imo. 3rd or 4th? I more inclined to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 12 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Taylor remains as my RB1 and I’d be thrilled if they took him at 22, but I value running backs more than a lot of people do. Yup me too. I don't know why experts are always saying wait until rd 3 or 4 to get value. Seems to me teams have been getting value lately out of Jacobs, Barkley, Fournette, McCaffrey, Elliot, Henry (who slipped into Rd #2) and Gurley. Before that, there was no value for awhile and most of the 1st rd RB's flamed out. Taking Trent Richardson at #3 in 2012 cooled the market for 1st Rd RB's for a few years and 2103/14 were just bad years for RB's. Ingram in 2011 was the only good first round back. 2010 was in the infamous C.J. Spiller and Ryan Matthews busts. 2009 was worse with Knowshon Moreno, Donald Brown and Beenie Wells. I think identifying a home run hitter like Taylor or Swift who can contribute immediately and fit your scheme is not a reach @ 22. In the 2nd I'd even give Dobbs a look. I think playmakers are our biggest need on O and D (EDGE) but I'm leaning to offense because it needs a lot more improvement and a few true game breakers can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: Yup me too. I don't know why experts are always saying wait until rd 3 or 4 to get value. Seems to me teams have been getting value lately out of Jacobs, Barkley, Fournette, McCaffrey, Elliot, Henry (who slipped into Rd #2) and Gurley. Before that, there was no value for awhile and most of the 1st rd RB's flamed out. Taking Trent Richardson at #3 in 2012 cooled the market for 1st Rd RB's for a few years and 2103/14 were just bad years for RB's. Ingram in 2011 was the only good first round back. 2010 was in the infamous C.J. Spiller and Ryan Matthews busts. 2009 was worse with Knowshon Moreno, Donald Brown and Beenie Wells. I think identifying a home run hitter like Taylor or Swift who can contribute immediately and fit your scheme is not a reach @ 22. In the 2nd I'd even give Dobbs a look. I think playmakers are our biggest need on O and D (EDGE) but I'm leaning to offense because it needs a lot more improvement and a few true game breakers can do that. Usage. The concern is how much life does he have in his legs. 299 carries as a freshman. Last 2 years over 300 a year. Thats an insane amount of carries. First rd you are talking about guaranteed money and total money he is getting. Taylor is gifted but how long will he play? 4,5 years? First rders are usually foundational pieces for successful franchises. Spending a first on a guy you expect to only have for his rookie deal is steep in many peoples minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Usage. The concern is how much life does he have in his legs. 299 carries as a freshman. Last 2 years over 300 a year. Thats an insane amount of carries. First rd you are talking about guaranteed money and total money he is getting. Taylor is gifted but how long will he play? 4,5 years? First rders are usually foundational pieces for successful franchises. Spending a first on a guy you expect to only have for his rookie deal is steep in many peoples minds. That's the rub with taking any RB in the first round. They're probably only good value when they're on their rookie deal, but if you only expect to use them on their rookie deal, it probably isn't worth it to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 36 minutes ago, DCOrange said: That's the rub with taking any RB in the first round. They're probably only good value when they're on their rookie deal, but if you only expect to use them on their rookie deal, it probably isn't worth it to begin with. I was highly impressed with him in college but to be a long term pro RB you must not take big shots, and I think he does not shy away from contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 15 hours ago, PIZ said: Josh Jacobs went 24. Any similarities? I think he is better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think he is better. The big difference that stands out to me about those two is # of carries (I think Jacobs averaged liked 6/game) and offensive scheme. Taylor was the focus of every defense week in and week out. The badgers had a decent TE and couple good WRs but the philosophy was always “stop Taylor, beat Wisconsin”. Some teams couldn’t do it, the good/highly talented defenses could. That is their offensive calling card and they stick to it. Obviously Bama would hit you in a number of ways and Jacobs was just one of them Edited February 29, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 hours ago, DCOrange said: He was one of the worst RBs in the league this year in terms of catching the ball? I think you need to look at what was tossed at him. Allen seldom threw to him when he was standing by himself as a checkdown option, waving his arms like a semaphore "Yoo hoo! Show me some Love man!" But look at that playoff game toss from Allen on a dead run to a diving Singletary about to be nailed by two Texans. That was just Sick. He did drop a couple relatively easy passes he should have caught, analogous to Knox in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 55 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The big difference that stands out to me about those two is # of carries (I think Jacobs averaged liked 6/game) and offensive scheme. Taylor was the focus of every defense week in and week out. The badgers had a decent TE and couple good WRs but the philosophy was always “stop Taylor, beat Wisconsin”. Some teams couldn’t do it, the good/highly talented defenses could. That is their offensive calling card and they stick to it. Obviously Bama would hit you in a number of ways and Jacobs was just one of them Yea the lack of actual action made Jacobs a tough evaluation. I had Sanders as my top back last year just ahead of Jacobs but I do think Taylor is better than both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Funny irrelevant fact: Jonathan Taylor & Saquon Barkley both committed to Rutgers before coming to their senses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 My Rule of Thumb: unless he's a generational talent,, never ever take a WR, RB, FB, DT in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think you need to look at what was tossed at him. Allen seldom threw to him when he was standing by himself as a checkdown option, waving his arms like a semaphore "Yoo hoo! Show me some Love man!" But look at that playoff game toss from Allen on a dead run to a diving Singletary about to be nailed by two Texans. That was just Sick. He did drop a couple relatively easy passes he should have caught, analogous to Knox in that regard. 3rd worst drop % in the league for RBs on the catchable throws. It was a struggle for him. Obviously a steep learning curve there and hope he improves in year 2 because he’s elusive as hell if we can get him the ball in the open field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said: Funny irrelevant fact: Jonathan Taylor & Saquon Barkley both committed to Rutgers before coming to their senses. That is so Rutgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 If he falls into the second I could see some movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 17 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: But a 4.39 at 226 holy freaking wow a backfield of him and Motor but I know we need a WR I would take him with a early second that we trade for, Singletary is not big or fast enough to be a feature back and Sean insists on being a running team. Go all in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 6 hours ago, 1billsfan said: After reading this, it might be a hard pass... https://nflmocks.com/2020/01/14/2020-nfl-draft-jonathan-taylor-overrated/ Which mean like Metcalf last season could drop out of first round and then he is worth a second rounder for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 6 hours ago, 1billsfan said: After reading this, it might be a hard pass... https://nflmocks.com/2020/01/14/2020-nfl-draft-jonathan-taylor-overrated/ Except he has already dispelled a key part of this theory - his "lack of speed" - that is not a real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Except he has already dispelled a key part of this theory - his "lack of speed" - that is not a real thing. Someone better tell Derrick Henry, Mark Ingram and Melvin Gordon to retire because they had good OL’s in college. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Whether we go after him or not, this staff will emphasize the running game over passing. As much as I see the potential in Josh, I just can't imagine "conservative Sean" letting JA cut it loose. And there's no way Devin carries the run attack by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Except he has already dispelled a key part of this theory - his "lack of speed" - that is not a real thing. Where did that even come from? He’s always looked fast and played fast Edited March 1, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 i wouldnt take him in the first round even though thats where he probably will go, but if he is there in the 2nd lets say around pick 42, then i would see if you could move up using the extra 5th rnd or 6thrnd picks we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hsker4life Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I wouldn’t want him in the first 2 rounds. He was used too much in college and has fumblitis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 10:09 PM, DCOrange said: I really hope we don't take a RB in the first, but if we did, I would tend to prefer Swift. Taylor does look like a really good runner though. Get them both and they could do a national anthem duet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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