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[HappyDays]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Friendly reminder that this is the time of year when all tends to go quiet regarding the Bills.

 

If things are strangely quiet surrounding a big name FA, and you hear nothing connecting said player to the Bills, then he could very well be a target.

 

There has been zero buzz around Clowney and I had the same thought as you. Speaking of which, Tony Pauline reported yesterday the Seahawks are interested in trading for Ngakoue. That doesn't sound like a team looking to give Clowney an extension. I can't help but wonder.

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Friendly reminder that this is the time of year when all tends to go quiet regarding the Bills.

 

If things are strangely quiet surrounding a big name FA, and you hear nothing connecting said player to the Bills, then he could very well be a target.

 

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

There has been zero buzz around Clowney and I had the same thought as you. Speaking of which, Tony Pauline reported yesterday the Seahawks are interested in trading for Ngakoue. That doesn't sound like a team looking to give Clowney an extension. I can't help but wonder.

I was just going to say the same thing on Clowney. Don’t forget Gaine wanted to pay him and O’Brien didn’t. I think that the Bills make AT LEAST 1 (maybe 2) splash moves in FA or via trade. As of right now, Clowney would be at or near the top of the “likelihood list” IMO. In fact, they probably already have a real sense for the number from Gaine’s conversations when he was in Houston.

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

I was just going to say the same thing on Clowney. Don’t forget Gaine wanted to pay him and O’Brien didn’t. I think that the Bills make AT LEAST 1 (maybe 2) splash moves in FA or via trade. As of right now, Clowney would be at or near the top of the “likelihood list” IMO. In fact, they probably already have a real sense for the number from Gaine’s conversations when he was in Houston.

I’ve also heard nothing about Addison and Emmanuel Sanders for the record 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

I’ve also heard nothing about Addison and Emmanuel Sanders for the record 

Addison may very well be “plan b.” They’ll have to draft an edge early still IMO because of age if it is Addison. Sanders makes some sense too (especially if we draft a guy early). 
 

With that being said I could do a WR room of:

Brown

Sanders

Beasley

Jefferson

2 of Duke/Foster/McKenzie

Roberts

 

Edge:

Addison

Hughes

Murphy

Anae

Johnson

 

Something like this makes sense

[HappyDays]

 

[TOboy]

I like Sanders, but have a hard time seeing a match. Isn't he most effective in Beasley's role out of the slot? 

 

With our current cap situation, and roster construction, it's hard to think we can't/shouldn't make a splash with at least 1 or 2 impact players. Whether that's a Clowney, Hooper, or perhaps someone via trade, I just think this is the year to grab someone that can make an impact. 

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, TOboy said:

I like Sanders, but have a hard time seeing a match. Isn't he most effective in Beasley's role out of the slot? 

 

With our current cap situation, and roster construction, it's hard to think we can't/shouldn't make a splash with at least 1 or 2 impact players. Whether that's a Clowney, Hooper, or perhaps someone via trade, I just think this is the year to grab someone that can make an impact. 

Beane has mentioned not dipping into the high end free agents this year. So not sure that we'd go after Clowney. I think we could see a bunch of Brown/Beasley types aka improvements on what we have but not break the bank. So I could see adding Jordan Jenkins at OLB, Mario Addison at DE and maybe a few depth guys for ST. I'd like to see Jordan Phillips back on a team friendly deal (see less than $8m per season). 

[DCOrange]

11 minutes ago, TOboy said:

I like Sanders, but have a hard time seeing a match. Isn't he most effective in Beasley's role out of the slot? 

 

With our current cap situation, and roster construction, it's hard to think we can't/shouldn't make a splash with at least 1 or 2 impact players. Whether that's a Clowney, Hooper, or perhaps someone via trade, I just think this is the year to grab someone that can make an impact. 

 

Sanders is good in the slot but he's good out wide too. He's generally been a guy that moves around the formations a lot; pretty ideal fit for what Daboll is looking for honestly (just obviously on the older side).

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Eh.

 

I'd still like to see something better out of that WR room...

I’m not sure how you’re going to do better than another 900 yard receiver and a guy at 22? The guys just aren’t there. To do better you’ll have to either trade up for one of the top 3 or for a vet. 

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not sure how you’re going to do better than another 900 yard receiver and a guy at 22? The guys just aren’t there. To do better you’ll have to either trade up for one of the top 3 or for a vet. 

The price for trading up for one of the top three is probably prohibitive. I'd like to figure out a way to get one of them and still draft Claypool. Likely impossible, but that would really improve the wr room.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea which is what I'm hoping for.... a trade for a dynamic veteran WR and an early round pick on one. 

Who though and at what price? 

[JerseyBills]

 

I know it's doubtful we pursue him , just interesting. The NFL landscape is going to look alot different for a bunch of teams in 2020

 

[Blank Stare]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

 

I know it's doubtful we pursue him , just interesting. The NFL landscape is going to look alot different for a bunch of teams in 2020

 

Peters can go fly a kite. Always injured, and I’m still salty about how his previous time here ended. That isn’t all on Peters, but I’d prefer not to think about how we developed an all pro and eventual hall of Fame tackle and let him out the door over a contract dispute. Thankfully we got some decent years out of Eric Wood in return, but he’s no Peters talent-wise. 

[thebandit27]

Just now, TheProcess said:

Peters can go fly a kite. Always injured, and I’m still salty about how his previous time here ended. That isn’t all on Peters, but I’d prefer not to think about how we developed an all pro and eventual hall of Fame tackle and let him out the door over a contract dispute. Thankfully we got some decent years out of Eric Wood in return, but he’s no Peters talent-wise. 

Not for nothing, but since his lost season in 2012, he’s started 16, 16, 14, 16, 7, 16, and 13 games. Always injured is an overstatement.

[Blank Stare]

26 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Not for nothing, but since his lost season in 2012, he’s started 16, 16, 14, 16, 7, 16, and 13 games. Always injured is an overstatement.

Maybe so, but what is this board without hyperbole?

 

I feel like every time I’ve watched an eagles game the last few years they’ve talked about how Peters is hurt. You’ve provided how many times he’s started, but how many of those starts did he finish? Maybe that accounts for my perception. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by TheProcess

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

Maybe so, but what is this board without hyperbole?

 

I feel like every time I’ve watched an eagles game the last few years they’ve talked about how Peters is hurt. You’ve provided how many times he’s started, but how many of those starts did he finish? Maybe that accounts for my perception. 

 

Confirmation Bias... The only time anyone paid close attention to the Eagles was when they were really good and Peters was hurt.

[billsfan89]

3 hours ago, TOboy said:

I like Sanders, but have a hard time seeing a match. Isn't he most effective in Beasley's role out of the slot? 

 

With our current cap situation, and roster construction, it's hard to think we can't/shouldn't make a splash with at least 1 or 2 impact players. Whether that's a Clowney, Hooper, or perhaps someone via trade, I just think this is the year to grab someone that can make an impact. 

 

Sanders can play outside but I think he might decline soon and is likely looking for as huge a contract as possible. If this team wants to make a big splash at WR via trade or free agency I would love to see this team trade a 2nd plus other mid round picks for Stefon Diggs. Diggs is a WR1 who is on a good contract in his prime.

 

But I doubt the Vikings trade him. But for some reason he pops up in trade rumors and I think even factoring in the contract and draft compensation he would fill that WR1 need and the team can go edge in round 1 and pick up a WR in round 3.

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

Maybe so, but what is this board without hyperbole?

 

I feel like every time I’ve watched an eagles game the last few years they’ve talked about how Peters is hurt. You’ve provided how many times he’s started, but how many of those starts did he finish? Maybe that accounts for my perception. 

Oh he’s definitely been nicked up a whole bunch. For context, for 2013-2019 his snap count % has been: 92, 97, 66, 97, 37, 80, 75.

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Sanders can play outside but I think he might decline soon and is likely looking for as huge a contract as possible. If this team wants to make a big splash at WR via trade or free agency I would love to see this team trade a 2nd plus other mid round picks for Stefon Diggs. Diggs is a WR1 who is on a good contract in his prime.

 

But I doubt the Vikings trade him. But for some reason he pops up in trade rumors and I think even factoring in the contract and draft compensation he would fill that WR1 need and the team can go edge in round 1 and pick up a WR in round 3.

I have a feeling that a WR that isn’t talked about in trade rumors (like, say, Allen Robinson, Marvin Jones, or Golden Tate) will end up moving unexpectedly.

[Blank Stare]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

Oh he’s definitely been nicked up a whole bunch. For context, for 2013-2019 his snap count % has been: 92, 97, 66, 97, 37, 80, 75.

Ah. Ok. Makes sense. Thanks!

 

I went to look too to see if I was imagining his injury history. I know this isn’t comprehensive, but here’s an article that explains his injuries in 2017 and 2018. Of course we already know some of his struggles this past season. Peters was a great player in his day, but at this point I think we can/should do better. 
 

https://insidetheiggles.com/2019/01/30/philadelphia-eagles-debate-table-jason-peters-retire-return-2019/amp/

[schoolhouserock]

3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

 

I know it's doubtful we pursue him , just interesting. The NFL landscape is going to look alot different for a bunch of teams in 2020

 

Let’s pick him up so he can retire as a Bill! ?

[billsfan89]

50 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Oh he’s definitely been nicked up a whole bunch. For context, for 2013-2019 his snap count % has been: 92, 97, 66, 97, 37, 80, 75.

I have a feeling that a WR that isn’t talked about in trade rumors (like, say, Allen Robinson, Marvin Jones, or Golden Tate) will end up moving unexpectedly.

 

I would love to trade for Allen Robinson but he is coming off a very good season (with a ***** QB) and while the Bears are up against the cap I think they can find cuts elsewhere. Jones and Tate are men, outside of the slim chance that Diggs is on the block I don't see where a WR via trade makes sense. 

 

But sometimes trades come out of nowhere so you never know.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Peters can go fly a kite. Always injured, and I’m still salty about how his previous time here ended. That isn’t all on Peters, but I’d prefer not to think about how we developed an all pro and eventual hall of Fame tackle and let him out the door over a contract dispute. Thankfully we got some decent years out of Eric Wood in return, but he’s no Peters talent-wise. 

 

...he'd NEVER come back here anyway...….he wanted out ASAP and with the late Eugene Parker as his agent, he got his wish.....besides he just turned 38..... 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

A 38 year old "car" with a lot of miles and breakdowns is a major risk.

[thebandit27]

16 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...he'd NEVER come back here anyway...….he wanted out ASAP and with the late Eugene Parker as his agent, he got his wish.....besides he just turned 38..... 

 

He didn’t want out. He wanted to get paid.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He didn’t want out. He wanted to get paid again, though he'd just got a new contract.

 

FTFY.

 

[B-Man]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He didn’t want out. He wanted to get paid.

 

 

He wanted out.

 

 

re-writing history is a poor argument 

[BuffaloHokie13]

9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He didn’t want out. He wanted to get paid.

Not to mention, the only thing that hasn't changed since then is our logo. New owners, new fo, new coaches, new roster, etc. Holding a past staff's unwillingness to pay against a current one would be pretty silly. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Not to mention, the only thing that hasn't changed since then is our logo. New owners, new fo, new coaches, new roster, etc. Holding a past staff's unwillingness to pay against a current one would be pretty silly. 

 

Still, the dude is ANCIENT.

 

Hard pass. More youth, please.

 

[purple haze]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

As frustrating as he can be I'd inquire about OBJ.... not sure what it would take to get that done. 

Might be better off trading up for one of the top 3 draftees.  OBJ wouldn't come any cheaper.

38 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...he'd NEVER come back here anyway...….he wanted out ASAP and with the late Eugene Parker as his agent, he got his wish.....besides he just turned 38..... 

Not true.  He wanted more money and he wasn't wrong for believing he should get more.  He was a stud.

Edited March 5, 2020 by purple haze

[thebandit27]

23 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

He wanted out.

 

 

re-writing history is a poor argument 

Nope.

 

He got paid RT money. They moved him to LT and he wanted a new contract.

 

He reported and played in every game save for the first, which the team chose to hold him out of. He then said he’d hold out again without a new deal. They traded him.

 

All of the above is well-documented.

[Putin]

19 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

 

Panthers wtf .. ??‍♂️                

If you can't see tweet, Panthers send 27 y/o OG Trai Turner to Chargers for 32 y/o LT Russel Okung

Turner is a 5x pro bowler

 

I guess they're tearing everything down and rebuilding while trying to get younger in the process? Oh wait never mind ?‍♂️

[Billy Zabka]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

He wanted out.

 

 

re-writing history is a poor argument 

That was Russ Brandon and John Murphy propaganda. He wanted to be paid after a position change. Simple as that.  The Bills didnt want to pay the going rate and dealt a future hall of fame LT just entering his prime for a very late 1st rd pick.  It was a horrible trade by a "GM" that didnt know what the hell he was doing.

[HappyDays]

 

How would we feel about Gordon as a complement to Singletary?

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Still, the dude is ANCIENT.

 

Hard pass. More youth, please.

 

He is about the right age for our HC though

[njbuff]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

How would we feel about Gordon as a complement to Singletary?

I don’t know. 
 

He is the typical 27 year old RB as he gets banged up a lot.

 

Getting a much lesser workload would sure as heck benefit Gordon’s career by coming here, but he is probably going to want too much money.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, purple haze said:

Might be better off trading up for one of the top 3 draftees.  OBJ wouldn't come any cheaper.

Not true.  He wanted more money and he wasn't wrong for believing he should get more.  He was a stud.

 

 

...but he held out and did not report....sure he should have been PO'ed that Dockery and Walker were signed for much more (future wasted money)......but holding out was the right answer?....guess we'll never know.....

[Dr. Who]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

How would we feel about Gordon as a complement to Singletary?

I'd rather add a rookie and not pay Gordon. I think you can get a good complementary back day 2 or 3. Fella like Dobbins may slip to the third round, for example.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Dr. Who

[Blank Stare]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I'd rather add a rookie and not pay Gordon. I think you can get a good complementary back day 2 or 3. Fella like Dobbins may slip to the third round, for example.

Agree 100%. Stay far far away from high priced RBs in free agency. Don’t care who it is. You can find serviceable value and production in the draft. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

21 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I'd rather add a rookie and not pay Gordon. I think you can get a good complementary back day 2 or 3. Fella like Dobbins may slip to the third round, for example.

 

 

...allegedly, Gordon turned down $10 mil/yr from Chargers.....reportedly wants $13 mil/yr.........tell me what these stats are worthy of.........

 

Year	Team	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	REC	YDS	AVG	TD
2019	Chargers	162	612	3.8	8	42	296	7.0	1
2018	Chargers	175	885	5.1	10	50	490	9.8	4

[purple haze]

59 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...but he held out and did not report....sure he should have been PO'ed that Dockery and Walker were signed for much more (future wasted money)......but holding out was the right answer?....guess we'll never know.....

It's not right or wrong, it's just an option that is available to achieve the player's desired ends.