CeeDee Lamb or bust.

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, Billl said:

 

So the best way to find star players is to draft them in the middle rounds.  I’ll remember that when everyone here is blaming the offense’s struggles on lack of weapons for Josh.  The Bills have such a great track record of finding WRs that there’s no need to draft a blue chipper.  Just shake the third round game breaking WR tree and grab as many as you can carry.

 

 

Pretty poor paraphrase there.

 

The best way to put together the best team is to use your draft picks sensibly and for value and to not fall in love with one guy and trade far too much to get him.

 

But in this particular draft, yeah, getting a third-round game-breaking WR could very very easily be possible. It's that kind of year. And as Beane has correctly said, we are NOT one player away.

 

And it's not just opinion that that's not the way to run the draft. The studies back him up.

 

https://www.vox.com/2014/5/7/5683448/how-nfl-teams-ignore-basic-economics-and-draft-players-irrationally

 

https://www.nber.org/papers/w11270

 

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/dont-trade-up-in-the-nfl-draft/

 

[ALF]

 CeeDee Lamb*, WR, Oklahoma
Height: 6-2. Weight: 189.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2020): 1.

 

He's no Calvin Johnson so no to that big of a trade up in a deep draft.

[machine gun kelly]

There is no one that is worth two first and a second.  Maybe a generational QB, but even that is a stretch.  We can either sit at 22 or move up slightly to get someone around 16 or so if worth it.  We can improve so much with a couple of key FA, and maybe bundle 9 picks to say 5 or 6 if we get trade partners.  There are a number of teams in cap hell that would love cheap labor.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, njbuff said:

I am more inclined to think that a move up would be for a player that ISN’T a WR.

 

That is actually my personal opinion.  I think (maybe it's more a hope) they will try to get some guys in FA. 

Depending upon how things fall out, I wouldn't be shocked if the guy they move up for is an edge.

 

 

[Allen2Moulds]

16 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Im all for trading to get Lamb IF...and ONLY IF...he slides in the draft into a reasonable cost range to go get him.  No way should we trade up into the top 10 or anything crazy like that.  But honestly, with the QB situations, there is a chance that one of Juedy or Lamb falls to 15th pick or even later.  At that point, I am on the phone if I am Beane.  To go up more than that would be to cost prohibitive in a draft rich with WR talent.  

But with Juedy and Lamb being ideal for us and in another tier over the other WR's, then I think its worth trading up for if they get within a reasonable trade range.  Nothing that involves next years first for example should remotely be considered.  

 

This is also why I would love to see us trade a low round pick for David Johnson where we could pick up their 3rd round pick as well for taking over that contract.  We easily can handle his contract for the next 2 seasons in our cap, and then we got an extra valuable pick to make a move like this if the opportunity is there.  And if no trade up, we still have an extra 3rd in a draft loaded with talent that will be available still in the 3rd.  

Total agree with you Alpha. I hope OBD feels like we do.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

17 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

CeeDee Lamb or bust

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Remember the last time we traded up in a deep WR class? 

Eric Moulds? 

[Logic]

I think the Bills are more likely to skip a WR in the 1st round entirely than they are to trade up for one.

 

[bigK14094]

Not a fan of the trade up mentality that seems to possess Beane......there is always a guy, just a couple of slots up, that we have to have, and, he will spend picks to get there.

[John from Riverside]

10 hours ago, Bad Things said:

Tremaine Edmunds says G'day!

Wasnt Edmunds with another 1st round pick that we already had?

 

I could be wrong on this.

1 hour ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

OK...who is she

[JaCrispy]

FWIW those breasts are amazing...?

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

FWIW those breasts are amazing...?

I'm going for bust!

36 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Wasnt Edmunds with another 1st round pick that we already had?

 

I could be wrong on this.

OK...who is she

Bust

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

19 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

I believe that we must do whatever it takes to get him for our offense. Because of his ability everyone becomes better. Brown opens up underneath, Knox has space to operate, beasly can work those outs as well as the out and ups. And Singletary won't have 8 in the box because lamb will command a corner and safety on every down. It will cost allot to do it but to have him here to grow with Josh would be the *****. Our 1st,2nd, and next year's 1st. Should get it done plus we can add Mims or Pittman in the third. This year's draft needs to be all about offense. Now you may crucifie me. 

you’re gonna bust 

[BarleyNY]

20 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

I believe that we must do whatever it takes to get him for our offense. Because of his ability everyone becomes better. Brown opens up underneath, Knox has space to operate, beasly can work those outs as well as the out and ups. And Singletary won't have 8 in the box because lamb will command a corner and safety on every down. It will cost allot to do it but to have him here to grow with Josh would be the *****. Our 1st,2nd, and next year's 1st. Should get it done plus we can add Mims or Pittman in the third. This year's draft needs to be all about offense. Now you may crucifie me. 

I don’t hate this idea.  Not at all.  In fact I think acquiring Lamb is worth a lot in terms of draft capital.  If you’re going to suggest something this big it’s a good idea to make a case for why this player stands above so many others.  You didn’t really do that in your OP.  But I’ve looked at Lamb a bit.  He really is the kind of prospect that’s worth making a big move for.  If he gets to 10ish he probably could be had for 22, 86 and our 2021 first.  We might even get a late round pick kicked back to us.  That’s not a bad deal.  We have enough day 3 picks to move back up to get another day 2 pick.  If the Bills think he’s an elite talent and that he stands well above who they could get at 22 or later, then I’d be happy to see them do it. 

8 hours ago, ALF said:

 CeeDee Lamb*, WR, Oklahoma
Height: 6-2. Weight: 189.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2020): 1.

 

He's no Calvin Johnson so no to that big of a trade up in a deep draft.

Wow.  A 4.55 40 would knock his value down a bit.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

There is no one that is worth two first and a second.  Maybe a generational QB, but even that is a stretch.  We can either sit at 22 or move up slightly to get someone around 16 or so if worth it.  We can improve so much with a couple of key FA, and maybe bundle 9 picks to say 5 or 6 if we get trade partners.  There are a number of teams in cap hell that would love cheap labor.

 

...so MGK, would you consider moving down to perhaps to 27, looking for an extra 2nd, with a McBeane style value pick for WR with either of the two 2nds?......hard to think of him as a "WR in the 1st type".....but probably DEAD wrong....................

[LeGOATski]

8 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

 

I choose the latter!

[Lurker]

17 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

He traded up for a qb which most teams to

 

his other trade ups were 2nd round and below

 

Tremaine Edmonds says hello...

[Lurker]

14 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Baltimore gave up 16th and 54th and Buffalo gave up 22nd and 65 (a 3rd rounder). He's correct.

 

The poster said "traded up".   Since 16 is higher than 22, that's the operative point (not what wast traded to get there)..    

 

If CeeDee Lamb is still there at 14, trading #22 and #54 would be a good move IMO.   Then package some of the remaining 7 picks an get back into round 2.

 

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Wasnt Edmunds with another 1st round pick that we already had?

 

They traded #22 and #65 (third round) to move up to #16 (and also got Baltimore's #154 in round 5)...

 

Edited February 22, 2020 by Lurker

[BillsBlue]

On 2/20/2020 at 6:55 PM, HOUSE said:

 

After watching that I think I could endorse a 1st and a second round pick for this guy wow he's fast and strong to boot and a hands catcher too !!!?

[BringBackOrton]

On 2/21/2020 at 5:54 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The minute you say, "do whatever it takes," whatever you're arguing for takes a hit.

 

Be great to get a vintage Corvette. But if it took killing a guy and paying four times the normal price, it's not worth it.

 

If he's available at #22 and they like him, that would be great. If they want to skip up a spot or three and it doesn't cost too much, again great. But there are too many really good receivers in this draft to do something silly like give up a lot of value.

 

 

 

 

Hmm? He said the other trades were 2nd round or below. That includes the Edmunds trade.

 

Baltimore gave up 16th and 54th and Buffalo gave up 22nd and 65 (a 3rd rounder). He's correct.

 

And his point stands. The Allen trade is the one where they really gave up serious value. The Edmunds trade, done with the leftovers of the prep they did to bring in draft capital for the Allen trade, was second and below that there's another fairly significant drop. Beane seems willing to give up picks, but he's pretty stingy with picks from the first couple of days.

He’s incorrect. No one calls trading up from pick 22 to 16 in the first round as anything BUT trading up in the first round. Regardless of compensation. 

[Bookie Man]

CDEDBD wings?

[ScorpionZero]

On 2/20/2020 at 8:43 PM, Haplo848 said:

 

This is very different.  Julio Jones was a better prospect than Lamb.  More importantly, the OTHER draft prospects are incredibly different.  We have probably THE deepest WR class there has ever been coming up this year.  Even if you don't get the top two, you're still probably going to get high impact starters throughout the first two to three rounds of the draft.  In Julio's draft class?  Not so much.  There was him and A.J. Green, then...no one.  The next WR off the board?  Jonathon Baldwin went to the Chiefs at 26.  Titus Young was the fourth WR off the board to the Lions at 44.  Other than Torrey Smith and Randall Cobb who went in the late 2nd round, and who were never great, but more role players, there's not a single other good WR in the draft other than those top 2.  If you did not get one of the top 2 WRs, you essentially didn't get a WR at all in that draft.  

 

Now, if you look at that and still think "Hmm, we should STILL pull a Falcons and make a desperation trade that we hope will work out in order to get one of the top two WR prospects  of the class, when there are PLENTY of slightly lesser prospects" then there's really no hope for you as a scout, and I'm glad you're not part of the Bills' organization.  Keep in mind that it's not "top two WRs," but "top two WR prospects."  There's a definite difference between the two that a lot of people forget.

You may be right, but what were they saying about the chiefs when they traded the farm. Bold moves make greatness. 

 

As the draft went on, Trubisky ended up being the only quarterback to be selected in the first nine picks, and the Buffalo Bills were put on the clock at No. 10 overall. The Chiefs then decided to make a bold move, and trade their first-round pick (No. 27 overall), their third-round pick (No. 91 overall) and their 2018 first-round pick to acquire No. 10 overall. Many thought the Chiefs were moving up for the two-time Heisman Trophy finalist and college football champion Watson. They were wrong.

and who was that pick ? 

[ScorpionZero]

Lamb is the kind of player that can transform an offense, and just because it's a deep draft doesn't mean you don't try and get someone like that. Besides since what you all say about this being such a deep draft, why not double dip. Our defense can be upgraded in free agency and because of our defense and coaches, we're given the luxury of having an offensive draft (no pun intended). Grabbing trautman or Harrison Bryant at TE in the third and edge in the 4th. While still having the capital to move up and get a running back and a LB. Work the draft, don't let it work you. Or in layman's terms "don't be a *****". 

I'm curious why so many think that because it's a deep draft that you don't make bold moves, are you afraid of getting burned. You all sound like you've been ***** over in a relationship, oh no smutty Watkins cheated on me it's just gonna happen again. I'll just cower in the corner and hope the next hot chick doesn't ***** me over. No balls, no glory mofos. I for one won't let the past dictate my future. We whiffed on QB's in the first, we whiffed on wideouts, and oh GOD did we wiff  on edge. But this isn't the same old dueshes in charge anymore. I know you'll say zay  was drafted by McD. but that was before Beane and the full crew. If you want greatness you have to get past the heartbreaks and dream for something more. Grab your future by the gonads and submit it to your will.  It's like you believe that the past always repeats itself, but that's only if you let it. 

Edited February 23, 2020 by ScorpionZero

[Augie]

This feels a little like the “Jeffismagic loves a certain QB” version of WR drafting. 

 

It may or may not be right in the end, but eventually the point is made and we will all see. I hope this remains reasonable. 

[Aussie Joe]

It is strange to me how some people get a fixation on one guy in the draft...

 

I remember last year someone had a massive hard on for N’Keal Harry..

 

I liked him as well, but 12 months later I am glad the Bills never drafted him as high as he went..

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by Aussie Joe

[ScorpionZero]

Y'all still think we shouldn't do whatever it takes to get Lamb. After yesterday's combine im even more sold on the fact that he can transform an offense as much as a quarterback. 

 

[njbuff]

56 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said:

Y'all still think we shouldn't do whatever it takes to get Lamb. After yesterday's combine im even more sold on the fact that he can transform an offense as much as a quarterback. 

 

 

No.

 

Lots of excellent WR prospects in this draft. No need to waste draft capitol to move up.

 

The Bills don't need a transformation talent, they need someone who is a threat as a number 3 WR. Plenty of those in this draft.

[ScorpionZero]

2 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

No.

 

Lots of excellent WR prospects in this draft. No need to waste draft capitol to move up.

 

The Bills don't need a transformation talent, they need someone who is a threat as a number 3 WR. Plenty of those in this draft.

I agree with the depth, but that's more reason to get an alpha like Lamb. And add a claypool, mims, golden, Johnson, v Jefferson, later. The offense would be ferocious. 

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, njbuff said:

The Bills don't need a transformation talent, they need someone who is a threat as a number 3 WR. Plenty of those in this draft.

 

I couldn't disagree more. An alpha #1 WR is exactly what this team needs. We need that more than we need next year's 1st IMO.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

I agree with the depth, but that's more reason to get an alpha like Lamb. And add a claypool, mims, golden, Johnson, v Jefferson, later. The offense would be ferocious. 

If you were to move up you likely wouldn’t be able to get any of those guys.  It’ll likely be trading into the top 12.

 

i love lamb as much as you.  I just don’t know if they’ll make that move.  

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

If you were to move up you likely wouldn’t be able to get any of those guys.  It’ll likely be trading into the top 12.

 

i love lamb as much as you.  I just don’t know if they’ll make that move.  

I recall lots of folks lambasting the Falcons when they moved up for Julio Jones. If you believe Lamb is that kind of WR, he's absolutely worth the price. Whether Beane & Co are willing and able to pull off that kind of trade, as you say, is another matter.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I recall lots of folks lambasting the Falcons when they moved up for Julio Jones. If you believe Lamb is that kind of WR, he's absolutely worth the price. Whether Beane & Co are willing and able to pull off that kind of trade, as you say, is another matter.

Idk....I think others are pretty dam good too.  I think I’d rather have Jefferson and next years first plus and other pick.  3 team friendly contract building blocks with one possibly being a superstar WR.  Tough call, but I like this years WRs too much, even though Lamb is the twinkle in my eye

 

Edit:  for the record, if we happen to trade up for him.....I’ll be extremely fired up

Edited February 28, 2020 by NewEra

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Idk....I think others are pretty dam good too.  I think I’d rather have Jefferson and next years first plus and other pick.  3 team friendly contract building blocks with one possibly being a superstar WR.  Tough call, but I like this years WRs too much, even though Lamb is the twinkle in my eye

Yeah, that's the prudential calculation. Does one think Lamb is a "transcendent WR" that justifies such a price. I put it in the subjunctive, because I don't know, but I think he might be that guy.

[MJS]

On 2/20/2020 at 4:50 PM, ScorpionZero said:

You don't remember all the prognosticators calling the Falcons nuts for moving up to draft Jones. How is this any different. 

Jones was in a different league. Not a worthy comparison, if you ask me. Plus I think in the end it was tough for them to overcome giving up so much draft capital.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Yeah, that's the prudential calculation. Does one think Lamb is a "transcendent WR" that justifies such a price. I put it in the subjunctive, because I don't know, but I think he might be that guy.

I think he’ll be in the discussion for best WR every season with a chance at becoming the undisputed best.  That will likely be determined by his QB

[MJS]

5 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

Y'all still think we shouldn't do whatever it takes to get Lamb. After yesterday's combine im even more sold on the fact that he can transform an offense as much as a quarterback. 

 

 

Pretty sure a single catch in shorts at the combine is not going to raise or lower anyone's stock.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

 

Pretty sure a single catch in shorts at the combine is not going to raise or lower anyone's stock.

He just did something that no other WRs at the combine could do imo.  I believe he surpassed jeudy and is the undisputed #1 wr in this class now

[ScorpionZero]

Here's the thing with giving up draft capital, ask yourself when's the best time to do that for your offense. Of course your defense dictates that, when they're as good as they are, now's the time to capitalize. This is the perfect year to take the hit and have laser beem focus on making your team better. Allen growing with Lamb, you couldn't ask for better. And if we're not going to move up to get him then I say trade back twice picking up 2 extra 2nds and a 3rd. The meat of the draft is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, so the more picks you have the better. These 2 scenarios are the only way I won't slap McBeane upside their *****.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, ScorpionZero said:

Here's the thing with giving up draft capital, ask yourself when's the best time to do that for your offense. Of course your defense dictates that, when they're as good as they are, now's the time to capitalize. This is the perfect year to take the hit and have laser beem focus on making your team better. Allen growing with Lamb, you couldn't ask for better. And if we're not going to move up to get him then I say trade back twice picking up 2 extra 2nds and a 3rd. The meat of the draft is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, so the more picks you have the better. These 2 scenarios are the only way I won't slap McBeane upside their *****.

Beane will do whatever he wants and whatever he thinks will make the team better without sacrificing the future. There are countless scenarios to achieve that besides the two extreme options you provided.

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

He just did something that no other WRs at the combine could do imo.  I believe he surpassed jeudy and is the undisputed #1 wr in this class now

Jump and catch a football without defenders and without wearing pads and a helmet?

[nucci]

On 2/20/2020 at 6:33 PM, ScorpionZero said:

I believe that we must do whatever it takes to get him for our offense. Because of his ability everyone becomes better. Brown opens up underneath, Knox has space to operate, beasly can work those outs as well as the out and ups. And Singletary won't have 8 in the box because lamb will command a corner and safety on every down. It will cost allot to do it but to have him here to grow with Josh would be the *****. Our 1st,2nd, and next year's 1st. Should get it done plus we can add Mims or Pittman in the third. This year's draft needs to be all about offense. Now you may crucifie me. 

you would trade that much for 1 player?