BillsMafi$ Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-rumors-executives-believe-buffalo-bills-will-use-franchise-tag-jordan-phillips.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Let's clean this up... It is LaConjecture who is "reporting" ithttps://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-offseason-insider-notes-buccaneers-must-keep-jameis-winston-elite-pass-rushers-to-get-tagged-and-more/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Oh heck no. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The 2019 Tag Number for DTs was $15,209,000. Just putting that out there for easy reference. 2 2 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick. that would be a nice return. What's his tag price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick. Add this to the long list of "Easier Said by Fans than Actually Done" 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Wouldn't the transition tag be a better option? He might be worth more to us than anyone else. Edited February 12, 2020 by buffalostu2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 19 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Let's clean this up... It is LaConjecture who is "reporting" ithttps://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-offseason-insider-notes-buccaneers-must-keep-jameis-winston-elite-pass-rushers-to-get-tagged-and-more/ Leaving aside the question of the Bills putting a $15M DT tag on a guy who for them, is a rotational player with Ed Oliver..... .....given what he said in his post-season presser I don't see how Beane could possibly tag Jordan Phillips and retain much in the way of credibility with players. He said, plain as plain can be, "Jordan Phillips has earned the right to test free agency". You can't say that on the record about a guy then turn around and slap a tag on him, not if you want to be seen as a straight-up guy. Edit: the exact words are correctly transcribed below. Exact words were "earned the right to see what his value is on the market" 12 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Isn't it like 15mil for D Tackles? I'd pass unless a tag and trade was worked out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick. A 2nd round pick???? I don’t think that is even close to a possibility 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Add this to the long list of "Easier Said by Fans than Actually Done" With his college numbers and his breakout season this year I could see a team making a trade for him. Obviously not for two 1st rd picks but a 2nd is not outrageous. He is very good against the run and show signs of being a 6 to 8 sack a year DT. Edited February 12, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick. I don't see that, at all. Likewise I don't see him getting tagged, there just isn't the value in doing it. While there's always the possibility of 'smoke and mirrors' around this time of the year, Beane's comments regarding guys who have 'earned the right' to find out how FA values them, strike me as being pretty honest. Phillips could be a classic example of a guy who gets overpaid due to a team having a glaring need, but there isn't a team in the league who would both pay him and also give up a pick, or picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The 2019 Tag Number for DTs was $15,209,000. Just putting that out there for easy reference. .....and that should end the talk about that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) What are the deadlines for tagging a player and getting a long term deal done? IF we tag Phillips, I see it mostly as a way to keep him in our building and have exclusive negotiating rights with him. More so than a tag-and-trade, or tag and pay him 1yr/$16M. 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: .....and that should end the talk about that. I mean, not really. I was actually just putting it up for a reference point. There are still other options than paying him $16M. We could use it to buy time to work out a long term deal. And "worst case" pay him the tag amount which we can afford with our crazy amount of cap space, and worry about replacing him next year. 4 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: With his college numbers and his breakout season this year I could see a team making a trade for him. Obviously not for two 1st rd picks but a 2nd is not outrageous. He is very good against the run and show signs of being a 6 to 8 sack a year DT. We hear the fan suggestions every year, but how many tag-and-trades actually happen? Not a lot of teams willing to give up good draft capital AND have to immediately sign a guy to a high-price deal. Usually only superstars/big names like Clowney. Edited February 12, 2020 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The 2019 Tag Number for DTs was $15,209,000. Just putting that out there for easy reference. Yuck. No thank you. Spend that money on a DE that can get home and find me a space eater to split time with Starr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Leaving aside the question of the Bills putting a $15M DT tag on a guy who for them, is a rotational player with Ed Oliver..... .....given what he said in his post-season presser I don't see how Beane could possibly tag Jordan Phillips and retain much in the way of credibility with players. He said, plain as plain can be, "Jordan Phillips has earned the right to test free agency". You can't say that on the record about a guy then turn around and slap a tag on him, not if you want to be seen as a straight-up guy. I wanted to get in front of this quickly & show it was Jason L reporting this. "Teams Figure" . His takes are almost as bad as Manish's (or is it Wyatt?) https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/2000211-sports-and-racing-nfl/77557249 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/1/11/14243176/more-on-the-lack-of-credibility-of-jason-la-canfora https://247sports.com/nfl/browns/Board/105323/Contents/This-sounds-more-realistic-Jason-La-Canfora-is-a-hack-71098804/ https://awfulannouncing.com/wwe/jason-la-canfora-fake-wwe-account-ric-flair.html Edited February 12, 2020 by Reed83HOF 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Yuck. No thank you. Spend that money on a DE that can get home and find me a space eater to split time with Starr. We could do both and still have $60M in cap left over. And Harry is coming back to split time with Star at the 1-tech spot. Jordan rotates at 3-Tech with Ed. And if you consider both Ed and Harry are on Rookie deals, and Star just took a paycut, it isnt a ton of money to have invested in the Interior DL overall. I'm all for spending in the trenches. Edited February 12, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Cork LaScrew just reported that the Buffalo Bills will not tag Jordan Phillips but rather are concerned about retaining someone who is more likely to be highly sought after Frank Gore. Note: This is true because I posted it on the Internet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 He’s not getting tagged 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: What are the deadlines for tagging a player and getting a long term deal done? IF we tag Phillips, I see it mostly as a way to keep him in our building and have exclusive negotiating rights with him. More so than a tag-and-trade, or tag and pay him 1yr/$16M. I mean, not really. I was actually just putting it up for a reference point. There are still other options than paying him $16M. We could use it to buy time to work out a long term deal. And "worst case" pay him the tag amount which we can afford with our crazy amount of cap space, and worry about replacing him next year. Tags have to be issued by March 10th. I like Phillips but I don't think he is worth tag value. Not by a long shot. But that's just me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 If everyone is gonna tag these D linemen, why would we let him walk for nothing? For that matter, why let him walk at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The only way this makes sense is if we’re looking to flip him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, or if we’re just needing to spend the cash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: We could do both and still have $60M in cap left over. And Harry is coming back to split time with Star at the 1-tech spot. Jordan rotates at 3-Tech with Ed. And if you consider both Ed and Harry are on Rookie deals, and Star just took a paycut, it isnt a ton of money to have invested in the Interior DL overall. I'm all for spending in the trenches. So you are ok with the one year tag for Phillips or looking for a longer deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Tags have to be issued by March 10th. Issued by March 10th, but don't they have some time after that to get a long term deal done before the player and team is stuck with the 1 year tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Issued by March 10th, but don't they have some time after that to get a long term deal done before the player and team is stuck with the 1 year tag? As soon as Phillips signs the tag (which he would break his legs running to do that) it's a done deal. The team then can try to trade up until I believe June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said: So you are ok with the one year tag for Phillips or looking for a longer deal? I'm ok with either. I'd like to get a longer deal done, as would the team and player, I assume. IIRC, a team can tag a player but then has a window to also get a long term deal done. Or do I have that backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not getting tagged Agreed...It would be idiotic... And I like JP...But still...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: As soon as Phillips signs the tag (which he would break his legs running to do that) it's a done deal. The team then can try to trade up until I believe June. Ah ok. Im still fine with either way. Whatever we do to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Ah ok. Im still fine with either way. Whatever we do to keep him. Beane has already said he will let him test FA. We will all know what's up with him in another 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 That would be insanely out of character for Beane 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 At 15 + million dollars, NFW, is he tagged, it would be better to give him 7 or 8 million a year for two years... if the money is right we should resign Shaq and Jordan, but that’s in Beane’s capable hands... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'm ok with either. I'd like to get a longer deal done, as would the team and player, I assume. IIRC, a team can tag a player but then has a window to also get a long term deal done. Or do I have that backwards. I can go either way on Phillips. Ultimately I trust Beane. Edited February 12, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Issued by March 10th, but don't they have some time after that to get a long term deal done before the player and team is stuck with the 1 year tag? Yes, July 15th. I'll add a few more lines to the off season dates post. 19 minutes ago, GG said: That would be insanely out of character for Beane Thank you. That is my impression too: the guy says what he means, and means what he says. He's CAREFUL about what he says sometimes and people read into it....but my take on Brandon Beane is that when he comes out and says something, you can bank on i 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I just can't see the Bills using the franchise tag on Jordan Phillips. Although I would love to bring him back, I believe his market value is in the $6-7 million per year range. Free Agency is crazy, and it's possible that a team throws out $8-9 million. But I would be very surprised to see him getting a double-digit offer. With that in consideration, it makes zero sense for Brandon Beane to give him $15-16 to lock him up for just one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I can go either way on Phillips. Ultimately I trust Beane. Same. While I would like to keep him, I also have a much shorter sighted perspective than Beane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Using the tag as a tool to control the situation has long been underutilized by this organization. Belichick used the tag on his PK twice and a back-up QB. They have the cap space to apply the tag and still be able to sign other free agents. Even if Lawson or Phillips played 2020 under the tag amount they would still have plenty of money to spend. I of course don't think either is worth that amount of money but being able to avoid a long term commitment, a signing bonus, and the dead cap hit if they were to be released later makes a lot of sense - even if the one year amount of cash is higher than you would want to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: As soon as Phillips signs the tag (which he would break his legs running to do that) it's a done deal. The team then can try to trade up until I believe June. 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, July 15th. I'll add a few more lines to the off season dates post. Ok, so we CAN tag him by 3/10 and still work out a long term deal before 7/15. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsMafi$ said: https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-rumors-executives-believe-buffalo-bills-will-use-franchise-tag-jordan-phillips.html no he isn’t worth the tag value. NO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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