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3 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Sounds like something that a troll or agent would throw out there.  

 

Definitely an agency trying to hype this idea that Phillips is worth $15M+ a year. What's sad is that LaCanfora falls for this crap.

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1 hour ago, QCity said:

Definitely an agency trying to hype this idea that Phillips is worth $15M+ a year. What's sad is that LaCanfora falls for this crap.

 

So earlier this year on social media, Phillips was saying by his play, he's a top-3 DT this year.  A $15M AAV contract would be exactly in line with that perceived value.

 

Phillips is currently paid as a top-16 4-3 DT at $4.5M AAV.  I think the Bills might be willing to put him in the top 10 or 12 - maybe even ~Lotulelei territory. 

Some may find that overpaying, I think it's consistent with what Beane has said that they want to keep the roster intact and not just bring in new guys who are around the same skill level.  If they have to overpay a little bit to do that I think they'll bite.

 

But if BigJ9797 comes in and says he's got a taker willing to pay him $13-15M AAV on a 3 yr contract, I think Beane will clap him on the shoulder and tell him that's wonderful! He's truly happy for him.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He put it a bit more positively.  Here's what Beane actually said:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/brandon-beane-our-guys-are-hungry-and-we-ll-be-back

About 36 minutes in

Shaq: "Listen, us not picking up your option has nothing to do with us wanting you here, it's just where we are at this time, we would love for you to have a great year and sign you to a long term, so, I was very happy with Shaq and we'll obviously talk to his representatives"

Jordan: "I thought Jordan really stepped his game up this year, on the field but also bringing some young guys along.....I think Jordan's still got room to grow..he had a career year sack production so, he's earned the right to see what his value is on the market, and we'll just have to see where that goes"

 

You can't tell a guy he's "earned the right to see what his value is on the market", and then tag him and keep him from so doing.  Way to breed bad will.

 

 

I guess it depends exactly what Beane meant when he said see what his value is on the market”. If they use the non-exclusive franchise tag, or the transition tag Phillips could still negotiate with other teams. Though using the non-exclusive franchise tag would make any other team actually signing him pretty unrealistic (since the Bills get two 1sts if they don’t match, which not matching would be a no-brainer).

 

But a transition tag would allow the Bills the opportunity to match an offer, and it wouldn’t really restrict Phillips from seeing what his value is on the market. This year’s transition tag number is $12.3M. That’s more than I want to spend on Phillips but it’s not totally unrealistic that the Bills decide to use it (though I still doubt they do).

 

I agree that the quote from Beane sounds more like he will let him test free agency though. 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Leaving aside the question of the Bills putting a $15M DT tag on a guy who for them, is a rotational player with Ed Oliver.....

 

.....given what he said in his post-season presser I don't see how Beane could possibly tag Jordan Phillips and retain much in the way of credibility with players.  He said, plain as plain can be, "Jordan Phillips has earned the right to test free agency".

 

You can't say that on the record about a guy then turn around and slap a tag on him, not if you want to be seen as a straight-up guy.

 

Not unless circumstances changed from date he said it and when he tags him and states why he changed stance.

 

Note: I did not see/hear the post-season presser so not know if what is being circulated is entire thing he said.  Press take many things out of context in effort to juice stories (i.e. "Quarterback hell").

 

Now if I am Phillips I sign it right away so it cannot be withdrawn.

1 hour ago, QCity said:

 

Definitely an agency trying to hype this idea that Phillips is worth $15M+ a year. What's sad is that LaCanfora falls for this crap.

 

Fall for it? He contributes to it.  LaConjecture is a snake oil salesman.

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39 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Not unless circumstances changed from date he said it and when he tags him and states why he changed stance.

 

Note: I did not see/hear the post-season presser so not know if what is being circulated is entire thing he said.  Press take many things out of context in effort to juice stories (i.e. "Quarterback hell").

 

Now if I am Phillips I sign it right away so it cannot be withdrawn.

 

Fall for it? He contributes to it.  LaConjecture is a snake oil salesman.

It is basically the entire thing and exactly what he said

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1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

Note: I did not see/hear the post-season presser so not know if what is being circulated is entire thing he said.  Press take many things out of context in effort to juice stories (i.e. "Quarterback hell").

 

I did listen to the post season presser, went back and listened to it to time-stamp the relevant portion, and accurately transcribed what was said.

 

I am not press

 

Feel free to do your own due diligence (I provided the link and the timestamp)

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If he gets a big contract, we will get a 3rd-4th round comp pick next year, providing we lose more than we sign.

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1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

I guess it depends exactly what Beane meant when he said see what his value is on the market”. If they use the non-exclusive franchise tag, or the transition tag Phillips could still negotiate with other teams. Though using the non-exclusive franchise tag would make any other team actually signing him pretty unrealistic (since the Bills get two 1sts if they don’t match, which not matching would be a no-brainer).

 

But a transition tag would allow the Bills the opportunity to match an offer, and it wouldn’t really restrict Phillips from seeing what his value is on the market. This year’s transition tag number is $12.3M. That’s more than I want to spend on Phillips but it’s not totally unrealistic that the Bills decide to use it (though I still doubt they do).

 

I agree that the quote from Beane sounds more like he will let him test free agency though.

 

Fair point, but using either would (I think) set Phillips value above where we place it as a rotational DL. 

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1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

who do we replace him with if we don't tag him? 

Vincent Taylor?

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3 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

16 million for a rotational guy?

 

No.

Absolutely agree. He’s going to want to get paid good money and we’re not going to pay it to him. He’s a good player but he doesn’t play enough to warrant that contract. 
 

Our defense is built on a good rotation and paying him would hurt us overall 

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The team is worse without Phillips.  It might not be good value but tag him if it keeps him here another year.  There is no way they fill up that $90M bucket this year.  It’s just the owner’s money that you’re saving if you don’t spend up to the cap.  
 

He also provides some intangibles that would be missed.

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7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The 2019 Tag Number for DTs was $15,209,000.

 

Just putting that out there for easy reference.

 

 

Keee-yikes!

 

20 minutes ago, BuffaloFan32 said:

The team is worse without Phillips.  It might not be good value but tag him if it keeps him here another year.  There is no way they fill up that $90M bucket this year.  It’s just the owner’s money that you’re saving if you don’t spend up to the cap.  
 

He also provides some intangibles that would be missed.

 

 

Money that is left over under the cap this year will get rolled over into next year's cap. It doesn't just go into the Pegulas investment accounts.

 

Agreed the team is a bit worse without him. But not $15 mill worse.

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3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I did listen to the post season presser, went back and listened to it to time-stamp the relevant portion, and accurately transcribed what was said.

 

I am not press

 

Feel free to do your own due diligence (I provided the link and the timestamp)

 

You were actually right, just wrong interview. He did say “some of these guys have earned the right to test free agency”. Now, he didn’t say “all of these guys” so he left some wriggle room there.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/brandon-beane-there-are-good-players-out-here

 

At roughly the 10:30 mark of the video. 

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What's he worth with a transition tag? 

 

And does that even exist anymore?

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8 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

You were actually right, just wrong interview. He did say “some of these guys have earned the right to test free agency”. Now, he didn’t say “all of these guys” so he left some wriggle room there.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/brandon-beane-there-are-good-players-out-here

 

At roughly the 10:30 mark of the video. 

 

That's not the interview where he said specifically that Phillips has earned the right to test free agency.  His exact words weren't free agency, they were "open market", and the link and time stamp are correctly given in my post upthread.  He's said similar things about free agency in several interviews and about if we don't sign a player until FA it doesn't mean we won't, but some of the players need to see what offers they get and they completely respect that (words to that effect)

 

well, here's the link to make it easy

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/223024-tag-for-phillips/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-6381748

 

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2 hours ago, ALF said:

Market value for Jordan Phillips at $6.1M a year sounds fair

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jordan-phillips-16776/market-value/

Yeah. Phillips had a huge year, but my suspicion is that teams are going to be VERY leery of the one year wonder thing. The guy had a grand total of 5.5 sacks in 5 FULL SEASONS prior to 2019. 

 

I'd love to have him back on the Bills at the right price, and I think it's possible. He may very well end up disappointed if he's expecting a monster deal.

 

Tag and trade for a guy with his OVERALL track record? Not happening.

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I wonder if Lawson gets tagged and traded first. Weak market, should drive Lawson’s value up.

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8 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The 2019 Tag Number for DTs was $15,209,000.

 

Just putting that out there for easy reference.

Looks like bah-bye 

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1 hour ago, njbuff said:

What's he worth with a transition tag? 

 

And does that even exist anymore?

 

Someone upthread thought it was $12.x million to transition tag

 

I think the Bills value on Phillips would be more like $6-8M/yr with maybe a far upper bound of $10M

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1 hour ago, Tipster19 said:

I wonder if Lawson gets tagged and traded first. Weak market, should drive Lawson’s value up.

 

I don't think either of them get tagged and traded.  But Beane sounded a lot more enthused about signing Shaq to a long deal.

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9 hours ago, buffalostu2 said:

Wouldn't the transition tag be a better option?

 

He might be worth more to us than anyone else.

I'm hoping Beane and Phillips have a good enough relationship for the Bills a chance to match whatever offer he gets without having to resort to the transition tag.

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