The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[BullBuchanan]

35 minutes ago, BillsToast said:

 

I meant a fake pandemic, not that it's fake in itself. It's real, it's just not a Pandemic like the movie. It does lead to death if you have the right biomarkers. Pandemic is a marketing term for this, it's not a real pandemic in extent, only in reach. 

In addition to what shoshin said, a massive problem with COVID isn't just death, it's the unknown extent of long-term disability due to organ damage which can occur without pre-existing conditions. If you experience permanent heart damage now, at some point it's probably going to kill you and until it does it'll be a lifelong burden. I know a pregnant woman who contracted COVID that now has to remain on blood thinners as a result. There's a lot more to this than just dying.

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Wait.  Didn't you just say these bureaucrats are all puppets doing Trumps bidding?  You've been blaming Trump for downplaying the virus and I told you Fauci was also "downplaying" (telling the truth) about the virus on March 9th as proof that perhaps this virus was absolutely not the threat the Left desperately wants you to believe it is and this is what you said:

 

 

 

So Redfield is an independent expert opinon here under unfair attack from POTUS (who you, when convenient, want to claim he pulls all the strings) but Fauci in March was not an independent expert. 

 

 

The book on "How the CIA, China, and the far Left used Covid to try to take out Trumpism....and failed" is going to be the highest selling book in human history.  

 

Correct folks.  The FBI tried to take this man down (Obamagate).  But noooo.......in no way is it possible the Intelligence Community who would love boots on the ground everywhere, endless wars, and has been listening to Trumpn and his people criticize and buck them for over a decade....no in no way shape or form would they love to see him gone.  Nope.  Not possible.....

[GG]

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

In your previous post you compared NY city to Jersey so I gave you the numbers to show you were wrong. 
 

 Now you want to change the comparison. Of course it shows something different. Outside NYC metro, NY did fine. 

 

If you want to get granular, compare NYC to 3 NJ counties.   The numbers will be very similar and probably still worse in NJ.  The point being that population density wasn't as big of a factor as you think.  

[BillStime]

 

[Bakin]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

LOL. Every single projection made by scientists was wrong. 
dead wrong. 
like 180 degrees from where it ended up. 
mosty from leftists heroes. 
just dead completely and utterly wrong. 
 

Nancy Pelosi doesn’t even wear a mask when she’s breaking the law going to hair salons. 
 

LOOOOOL. Get ready to lose 43 states, Dems

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Bakin said:

LOL. Every single projection made by scientists was wrong. 
dead wrong. 
like 180 degrees from where it ended up. 
mosty from leftists heroes. 
just dead completely and utterly wrong. 
 

Nancy Pelosi doesn’t even wear a mask when she’s breaking the law going to hair salons. 
 

LOOOOOL. Get ready to lose 43 states, Dems

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Bakin]

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

[BillStime]

 

 

[Chef Jim]

29 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

I thought this was about the questions from the nonexistent audience. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[Penfield45]

 

this is unbelievable. what a massive ***** up . good job america 

[shoshin]

Lots of chatter here about look at how blue states kill more people than red so this is a ghoulishly appropriate data slice. 
 

 

 

Edited September 18, 2020 by shoshin

[Tiberius]

Criminal 

 

a former aide to Vice President Pence, Olivia Troye, spilled the beans. The Post reported:

 

 

 

President Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic showed a “flat out disregard for human life” because his “main concern was the economy and his reelection,” according to a senior adviser on the White House coronavirus task force who left the White House in August.

Olivia Troye, who worked as homeland security, counterterrorism and coronavirus adviser to Vice President Pence for two years, said that the administration’s response cost lives and that she will vote for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden this fall because of her experience in the Trump White House.

“The president’s rhetoric and his own attacks against people in his administration trying to do the work, as well as the promulgation of false narratives and incorrect information of the virus have made this ongoing response a failure,” she said in an interview.

[SoCal Deek]

8 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

this is unbelievable. what a massive ***** up . good job america 

For the 1,000th time....we’ve all been wearing masks in public in California since early April!!!!  It made absolutely ZERO DIFFERENCE! 

[Q-baby!]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

For the 1,000th time....we’ve all been wearing masks in public in California since early April!!!!  It made absolutely ZERO DIFFERENCE! 

BS! 

[RiotAct]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/18/pandemic-fatigue-leads-to-resurgence-of-coronavirus-in-europe-where-france-and-spain-hit-records.html

[spartacus]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/18/pandemic-fatigue-leads-to-resurgence-of-coronavirus-in-europe-where-france-and-spain-hit-records.html

looks like Europe is increasing their PCR cycle counts to generate bogus test results

notice no outbreak of actual sickness or overrunning of hospitals

[GG]

3 hours ago, shoshin said:

Lots of chatter here about look at how blue states kill more people than red so this is a ghoulishly appropriate data slice. 
 

 

 

 

Now do the applicable graphs of mortality per 1k in those states, because if the thesis is that the subsequent states weren't prepared, that thesis is woefully wrong.

[spartacus]

you may have heard about the Big 10 infestation of myocarditis that cancelled Big 10 sports

 

"The Penn State doctor had said 30 to 35 percent of the cardiac MRI scans conducted on Big Ten athletes who had contracted Covid-19 appeared to show myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle."

 

 

as with most covid reporting, the below follow up was not covered extensively

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/03/health/penn-state-big-10-myocarditis-covid-spt-trnd/index.html

 

seems the good doc was "unintentionally citing outdated numbers" from some theoretical "study" 

 

"During his discussion with board members, (Sebastianelli) recalled initial preliminary data that had been verbally shared by a colleague on a forthcoming study, which unbeknownst to him at the time had been published at a lower rate," said Scott Gilbert, a spokesman for the school's health department said. "The research was not conducted by Dr. Sebastianelli or Penn State. Dr. Sebastianelli wishes to clarify this point, and apologize for any confusion.

 

"Additionally, some have inferred his comments may have related directly to Penn State student athletes. At this time, there have been no cases of myocarditis in COVID-19 positive student-athletes at Penn State."

 

0 cases at Penn State - but the good doc from Penn State thought it wise to push for Big 10 to cancel all sports

 

par for the course-

1.  make up bogus info

2. media to push agenda

3. stupid policy decisions imposed

4. bogus info debunked

5. crickets

 

 

[GG]

1 minute ago, spartacus said:

you may have heard about the Big 10 infestation of myocarditis that cancelled Big 10 sports

 

"The Penn State doctor had said 30 to 35 percent of the cardiac MRI scans conducted on Big Ten athletes who had contracted Covid-19 appeared to show myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle."

 

 

as with most covid reporting, the below follow up was not covered extensively

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/03/health/penn-state-big-10-myocarditis-covid-spt-trnd/index.html

 

seems the good doc was "unintentionally citing outdated numbers" from some theoretical "study" 

 

"During his discussion with board members, (Sebastianelli) recalled initial preliminary data that had been verbally shared by a colleague on a forthcoming study, which unbeknownst to him at the time had been published at a lower rate," said Scott Gilbert, a spokesman for the school's health department said. "The research was not conducted by Dr. Sebastianelli or Penn State. Dr. Sebastianelli wishes to clarify this point, and apologize for any confusion.

 

"Additionally, some have inferred his comments may have related directly to Penn State student athletes. At this time, there have been no cases of myocarditis in COVID-19 positive student-athletes at Penn State."

 

0 cases at Penn State - but the good doc from Penn State thought it wise to push for Big 10 to cancel all sports

 

par for the course-

1.  make up bogus info

2. media to push agenda

3. stupid policy decisions imposed

4. bogus info debunked

5. crickets

 

 

 

This is my biggest beef with the coverage of the crisis.  There has been zero follow up on the initial frightening stories that the press ran with, especially when the original premise turned out not to be as scary as initially reported.   It's not only incompetent, it's deadly, because it helps form bad public policy that results in more deaths over the long term.

[spartacus]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

This is my biggest beef with the coverage of the crisis.  There has been zero follow up on the initial frightening stories that the press ran with, especially when the original premise turned out not to be as scary as initially reported.   It's not only incompetent, it's deadly, because it helps form bad public policy that results in more deaths over the long term.

the bigger problem is that the bogus info is being intentionally created to drive an agenda

 

the most glaring example is the totally fabricated Lancet study to trash Hydrochloraquane

it worked, because the zinc / HCQ highly effective treatment is still mostly taboo in the US

 

[Taro T]

7 minutes ago, GG said:

 

This is my biggest beef with the coverage of the crisis.  There has been zero follow up on the initial frightening stories that the press ran with, especially when the original premise turned out not to be as scary as initially reported.   It's not only incompetent, it's deadly, because it helps form bad public policy that results in more deaths over the long term.

 

An equally annoying aspect of the coverage is that if you even ask for clarifications or seeing the underlying studies you are "anti-science."

 

Would this walk back have ever occurred had the Big 11 not been shamed into finally starting their season?

[spartacus]

9 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

this is unbelievable. what a massive ***** up . good job america 

 

how is this even a remote possibility

where were 650 million masks going to immediately appear from?

 

especially since manufacturing was closed down

 

 

[Alaska Darin]

12 minutes ago, GG said:

 

This is my biggest beef with the coverage of the crisis.  There has been zero follow up on the initial frightening stories that the press ran with, especially when the original premise turned out not to be as scary as initially reported.   It's not only incompetent, it's deadly, because it helps form bad public policy that results in more deaths over the long term.

I remember the earliest reports had the virus living on metal surfaces for "up to a month."

 

Anyone who believes anything the media says about anything is a fool.

[BillsFanNC]

13 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

An equally annoying aspect of the coverage is that if you even ask for clarifications or seeing the underlying studies you are "anti-science."

 

Would this walk back have ever occurred had the Big 11 not been shamed into finally starting their season?

 

I'd call it infuriating. Anyone who does this you can immediately dismiss as not knowing the first thing about scientific inquiry.  This is one of the foundational principles of science...question everything!! Question your own data and question everyone else as well.   When we eventually get back to having scientific conferences again anyone can go see this for themselves by meandering through the talks and poster sessions.  Everyone is getting grilled and having to defend their data, results and conclusions.  It is expected and encouraged.  Sometimes things actually get heated among the nerdy scientists, but that's what science is all about.

Edited September 18, 2020 by BillsFanNC

[Uncle Joe]

28 minutes ago, spartacus said:

<snip>

 

0 cases at Penn State - but the good doc from Penn State thought it wise to push for Big 10 to cancel all sports

 

par for the course-

1.  make up bogus info

2. media to push agenda

3. stupid policy decisions imposed

4. bogus info debunked

5. crickets

https://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/2020/09/presentation-pac-12-presidents-and-chancellors-saw-before-postponing-sports-featured-overstated-covid-19-statistics.html

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

I'd call it infuriating. Anyone who does this you can immediately dismiss as not knowing the first thing about scientific inquiry.  This is one of the foundational principles of science...question everything!! Question your own data and question everyone else as well.   When we eventually get back to having scientific conferences again anyone can go see this for themselves by meandering through the talks and poster sessions.  Everyone is getting grilled and having to defend their data, results and conclusions.  It is expected and encouraged.  Sometimes things actually get heated among the nerdy scientists, but that's what science is all about.

Sounds like you just want to question everything to the point of muddying the waters. Masks work, for instance. You questioning that? 

[keepthefaith]

10 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

this is unbelievable. what a massive ***** up . good job america 

 

Fake news.  Masks were delivered through a similar effort.  HHS has distributed 600 million masks to in need areas of the country and many more to schools last month.

 

"An HHS spokesperson said roughly 600 million of the total 650 million masks have been delivered under Project America Strong as “part of a multi-prong approach to re-opening the American economy while limiting the spread of COVID-19.”

A spokesman for the Postal Service did not respond to a message seeking comment.

“There was concern from some in the White House Domestic Policy Council and the office of the vice president that households receiving masks might create concern or panic,” one administration official told The Washington Post about the proposal.

Instead, the initiative, announced by the Trump administration under the “Project: America Strong,” was a more targeted program to send face masks to critical infrastructure sectors, companies and health care, community and religious organizations.

The program is no longer accepting new requests for face masks, according to its website, and instead encourages applicants to purchase face masks elsewhere or make their own.

President Donald Trump said on Aug. 12 that the government would also send 120 million face masks to schools ahead of the fall."

 

https://wfin.com/abc-politics/postal-services-plan-to-send-masks-to-americans-allegedly-nixed-by-white-house/

[spartacus]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sounds like you just want to question everything to the point of muddying the waters. Masks work, for instance. You questioning that? 

prior to 2020, the science was clear masks do not work to stop microscopic airborne particles

physics does not allow a N95 mask with stopping power of .5 microns to stop covid airborne particles no bigger tha .27 mircrons

Edited September 18, 2020 by spartacus

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, spartacus said:

prior to 2020, the science was clear masks do not work to stop microscopic airborne particles

physics does not allow a N95 mask with stopping power of .5 microns to stop covid airborne particles no bigger tha .27 mircrons

Dr Fauci says they work. Nuff said 

[shoshin]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/dementia-deaths-coronavirus-nursing-homes-416530

 

Deaths attributed to Alzheimer’s disease and dementia rose to more than 20 percent above normal over the summer, a staggering figure that won’t factor into the official count of coronavirus deaths but is unmistakably linked to the pandemic’s true toll.

 

Increased isolation and stress during lockdown, lapses in nursing home care and missed Covid-19 diagnoses are all likely contributing factors to the unusually high dementia death toll, adding to the devastation the virus has brought to U.S. nursing homes.

 

Edited September 18, 2020 by shoshin

[Alaska Darin]

48 minutes ago, spartacus said:

prior to 2020, the science was clear masks do not work to stop microscopic airborne particles

physics does not allow a N95 mask with stopping power of .5 microns to stop covid airborne particles no bigger tha .27 mircrons

Thank you.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Virus typically clings to droplets that are too large to pass through a mask. Virus itself is rarely airborne without being attached to droplets of some sort (Sweat, water, spit, mucus, etc).
 

[Gary M]

46 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Dr Fauci says they work. Nuff said 

 

Then why do my glasses fog up?

 

2 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

Virus typically clings to droplets that are too large to pass through a mask. Virus itself is rarely airborne without being attached to droplets of some sort (Sweat, water, spit, mucus, etc).
 

 

[spartacus]

3 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

Virus typically clings to droplets that are too large to pass through a mask. Virus itself is rarely airborne without being attached to droplets of some sort (Sweat, water, spit, mucus, etc).
 

BS on your "factual" stmt that virus

1. is not airborne

2. mostly attached to droplets

 

link the science

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

Then why do my glasses fog up?

 

 

Moister 

[Gary M]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Moister 

 

Is it carrying the virus?

 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Dr Fauci says they work. Nuff said 

Let’s recount Fauci statements 

 

 

1) this is no big deal, everyone needs to go on their lives. No evidence of human to human transmission

2) does appear to be spreading, but should nothing to worry about. 
3) absolutely no need for anyone to wear a a mask. 
 

4) looks like final death toll will be 60k
5)it will recede in the summer months, no doubt, but we need to remain vigilent

6) wear masks , will help prevent spread from you to me

7) do you still want to take this guys word as gospel?

 

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Let’s recount Fauci statements 

 

 

1) this is no big deal, everyone needs to go on their lives. No evidence of human to human transmission

2) does appear to be spreading, but should nothing to worry about. 
3) absolutely no need for anyone to wear a a mask. 
 

4) looks like final death toll will be 60k
5)it will recede in the summer months, no doubt, but we need to remain vigilent

6) wear masks , will help prevent spread from you to me

7) do you still want to take this guys word as gospel?

 

He's right

I trust him, he's an expert. Can you post links to prove he said those things? He's been consistent from what I've seen. 

 

And, you also doubt global warming? Or something along those line?