NYG requested permission to interview Daboll for OC - DENIED

[eball]

7 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

Glad to have him back. I expect our offense to explode under Daboll year 3. Barring a catastrophic injury to Josh Allen I think we go deep in the playoffs next year. I find it awesome that Allen has the same teacher 3 years in a row. We have talent on the offensive side of the ball but we’re still really rough around the edges. OL needs to be tweaked, need to drastically rehaul the skill positions, but the meat and potatoes is there.

 

Need to add 1-2 playmakers at the WR position and find a suitable complement to Singletary in the backfield.  Do those things and your "explosion" prediction may come true.

[Dopey]

44 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Was never a big Daboll fan because of some of the personnel groupings he uses and some of his situational calls but when you dissect this offense, we're leaving a lot of plays on the field that should be positive plays.  Mainly because of Josh missing them and some poor execution. 

Agreed. A young Josh, plenty of drops and, as was amplified in the playoffs, guys(Knox) missing key blocks. We left quite a few plays on the field. We should be a lot more competent on offense due to having stability. We had to work with a whole new o-line, a whole new group of TE's, a whole new group of WR's and a whole new group of RB's. Josh and Dion were the only returning starters on offense.

[Victory Formation]

Just now, eball said:

 

Need to add 1-2 playmakers at the WR position and find a suitable complement to Singletary in the backfield.  Do those things and your "explosion" prediction may come true.

Need to rework the OL too, I might add. Ford into LG and a true RT gives us an above average OL. I think Allen, Singletary and Knox will see a jump in production too. Typically year 3 for QBs is a good indicator in what you can expect going forward. Allen did good spreading the ball around, if he can connect on the deep ball more often, look out.

[Dr. K]

9 minutes ago, Chaos said:

 

I am not sure the question that needs to be asked is "will someone else be better"?

The first question that needs to be asked is "Will Daboll be good enough to lead make the offense championship caliber?"  If the answer is yes, then the questions stop there. 
If the answer is no, then the next question is "Is my goal really too win the championship?".  If the answer to that question is yes, then the next question Among the hundreds of college head coaches, NFL position coaches and ex-NFL head coaches and OC, is there someone who MIGHT be good enough to build a championship offense.  If the answer to tha t question is yes, then hire that person.  If the answer to that question is no, then you have have to find a new goal other than winning the championship. 

In the words of the fictional but brilliant Reese Bobby "If you ain't first, you're last."    sidenote, Mr. Bobby later recanted saying he must have been high when he made the initial statement. 

I've bolded the crucial question. Notice that you use "might be good enough" with these hypothetical alternatives to Daboll, and use "will Daboll be good enough" when challenging Daboll's abilities. This is the essence of "the grass is always greener." If you ask, "might Daboll be good enough to build a championship offense"  then you're much more likely to stick with him. 

 

I don't know for a fact that things will go better next year with him instead of somebody's flavor-of-the-month alternative. I just point out that the alternative always looks great because it's a hypothetical. 

 

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

If we can't blame Daboll, then who is to blame?  I am so sick of people happy with an Offense that struggles to put teams away, put up 20 points & incapable of passing for 300 yards.

 

The defense was 24th in the league, which I guess is a huge jump from 29-31 the prior two years, but to be satisfied, stupifies me.

 

No I didn't expect a jump like the LA Rams made in 2017, but yes year 2 of Josh I wanted to see a minimum of 5 games that the offense clicked for 4 quarters.  

 

Tired of this 9 new players excuse & how some here are so enamored with the Process that they push everything out another year.......  

 

Look at John DeFilippo (and no I had no idea who he was either) & how he has got 3 OC jobs & fired after 1 year in each one.....  These guys all seem to rebound and some team thinks they are the answer.

 

If someone wants Daboll, good for them & move on.....   

 

To me if they are so high on Daboll, then they are down on Allen & think he's the reason the offense ranked as high as 24th, which says little about Allen......?

We can blame the players who dropped a ton of passes and missed a ton of blocks, along with an OC who was learning how to use a whole new group of offensive players. Nine new players is not an excuse, it's a reason. 

This is a year and a half for Josh playing under Daboll. I don't think anyone is satisfied, but we did see Josh progress. I think the people that want him back saw the progression of the offense and look forward to more. Next year, Daboll won't have the excuse of all new personnel. I don't think he'll need the excuse though. Our offense will be a lot better and you'll get your wish, Daboll will be a HC after next season.

[MAJBobby]

At least ONE Giant Fan wanted him as HC

 

Linking to the entire article  

cosmicj : 4:39 am : link

Daboll was my preference for Giants HC, fwiw.
Daboll Vacchiano - ( New Window )

[Chaos]

13 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

I've bolded the crucial question. Notice that you use "might be good enough" with these hypothetical alternatives to Daboll, and use "will Daboll be good enough" when challenging Daboll's abilities. This is the essence of "the grass is always greener." If you ask, "might Daboll be good enough to build a championship offense"  then you're much more likely to stick with him. 

 

I don't know for a fact that things will go better next year with him instead of somebody's flavor-of-the-month alternative. I just point out that the alternative always looks great because it's a hypothetical. 

 

You missed the point.  If the judgment is that Daboll will not be good enough to win the Championship, and winning the championship is your goal, then you have nothing to lose by changing him. If you have not reached a judgment on Daboll after two full seasons, then you might have the wrong people making this decision.  Having said that, if Daboll is still in the "might" category, meaning he is essentially still a prospect, then you need to measure him (including the benefits of continuity) against the entire universe of prospects, and make a decision based on that. 

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by Chaos

[Dr. K]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

You missed the point.  If the judgment is that Daboll will not be good enough to win the Championship, and winning the championship is your goal, then you have nothing to lose by changing him. If you have not reached a judgment on Daboll after two full seasons, then you might have the wrong people making this decision.  Having said that, if Daboll is still in the "might" category, meaning he is essentially still a prospect, then you need to measure him (including the benefits of continuity) against the entire universe of prospects, and make a decision based on that. 

 

"the entire universe of prospects"? That's laughable. Nobody will measure up against the entire universe of prospects. You DON'T KNOW how any of those other coaches in that entire universe will work out. It's a hypothetical. 

 

You are acting as if this is physics. I have a degree in physics. Making a judgment like this is not science. 

 

You're still making a grass is always greener" argument.  

[Chaos]

8 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

"the entire universe of prospects"? That's laughable. Nobody will measure up against the entire universe of prospects. You DON'T KNOW how any of those other coaches in that entire universe will work out. It's a hypothetical. 

 

You are acting as if this is physics. I have a degree in physics. Making a judgment like this is not science. 

 

You're still making a grass is always greener" argument.  

You might best stick to physics.  Nothing I have said is a grass is greener argument.  Which of the following points I made is a grass is greener argument? 

1. If you are confident Daboll can win a championship. You stay with Daboll. End of discussion. 
2. If you are confident Daboll can't win a championship, you have nothing to lose by changing him, unless you have a different goal than winning the championship. 
3. If you are not sure about Daboll after two years, the professional GMs and Head Coaches need to evaluate whether or Daboll or someone else gives  the team a greater chance to win the championship.  



 

Edited January 16, 2020 by Chaos

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

You might best stick to physics.  Nothing I have said is a grass is greener argument.  Which of the following points I made is a grass is greener argument? 

1. If you are confident Daboll can win a championship. You stay with Daboll. End of discussion. 
2. If you are confident Daboll can't win a championship, you have nothing to lose by changing him, unless you have a different goal than winning the championship. 
3. If you are not sure about Daboll after two years, the professional GMs and Head Coaches need to evaluate whether or Daboll or someone else gives  the team a greater chance to win the championship.  
 

 

I also think it depends what the Bills number 1 goal is at this point. I believe it is actually to develop Josh Allen into a bona fide Franchise QB. Do that and the Championships will follow. If the question is then "Does retaining Daboll give Josh Allen the best chance of remaining on that trajectory?" then I think yes is the answer.

[Happy]

10 hours ago, kbarrettb said:

Seems the Bills like him more than some message board poster who has no idea what’s actually happening behind the scenes. Stick to being a keyboard coordinator and let the professionals do their jobs. 

 

And his play calling was great this year, right?  The offense scored more than enough points, right?  Some people settle for garbage, while others want more.

3 hours ago, fansince88 said:

I have to wonder if he showed no interest so they helped him by saying no? A team on the rise has to be more interest to him then a team on the bottom.

 

Yeah, that's a good thought.  I recall seeing posts mentioning the position coach/coordinator would ask his current team to block the requests so it doesn't reflect poorly on him for future positions.

[dje85]

I want continuity this year personally. If Daboll and the offense don't improve this upcoming season with hopefully an even more improved oline and a new shiny #1 wr and a second stud rb to team with motor then I say can his arse. But I think continuity will only help improve the offense as a whole. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Judge Judy is hell bent on bringing in as many ex-Pats as he can. Poached multiple  from Flores staff already 

Maybe he is bringing the Spygate Program with him, like McDaniels tried to do when he went to Denver?

[RyanC883]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

At some point, even the haters of Daboll might start to wonder why teams are interested in him?...

 

 

good point, but the teams interested are the well-run Browns and Giants.  

[Dr. K]

12 minutes ago, Chaos said:

You might best stick to physics.  Nothing I have said is a grass is greener argument.  Which of the following points I made is a grass is greener argument? 

1. If you are confident Daboll can win a championship. You stay with Daboll. End of discussion. 
2. If you are confident Daboll can't win a championship, you have nothing to lose by changing him, unless you have a different goal than winning the championship. 
3. If you are not sure about Daboll after two years, the professional GMs and Head Coaches need to evaluate whether or Daboll or someone else gives  the team a greater chance to win the championship.  



 

All I am saying is that in your option 3 here, it is a judgment call, and too many fans act as if it's a simple matter. Your "universe of prospects" formulation is ludicrous. If you compare ANY coach against the "universe of prospects" then you will fire him and hire somebody else. 

 

There are many factors in evaluating a coach. It's not as simple as you present it here. Unless a coach is completely incompetent, it's a judgment call. 

 

I know a lot of Bills fans believe that Daboll is hopelessly incompetent, but they are wrong. 

Edited January 16, 2020 by Dr. K

[Happy]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

I don't know...Maybe the smarter people are not firing him?

 

If you don't fire him, at least bring in someone else to call plays and make the offensive game plans.  If this doesn't happen, are there smarter people making these decisions?

[RyanC883]

2 minutes ago, dje85 said:

I want continuity this year personally. If Daboll and the offense don't improve this upcoming season with hopefully an even more improved oline and a new shiny #1 wr and a second stud rb to team with motor then I say can his arse. But I think continuity will only help improve the offense as a whole. 

 

if there is not DRASTIC improvement this year (top 15), he cannot return the next year.  

[TheFunPolice]

The Bills have a good thing going on, and the best part is that it is very unlikely that Frazier or Daboll become head coaches. I see Daboll being like Greg Roman. Even with what Roman has done with both Kap and Lamar in designing unique offenses he isn't seen as a serious HC candidate. 

 

There is nothing wrong with getting paid millions to be a successful coordinator on a winning team and gets pats on the back all the time and (hopefully) win titles together. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Sunshower said:

Glad to have him back. I expect our offense to explode under Daboll year 3. Barring a catastrophic injury to Josh Allen I think we go deep in the playoffs next year. I find it awesome that Allen has the same teacher 3 years in a row. We have talent on the offensive side of the ball but we’re still really rough around the edges. OL needs to be tweaked, need to drastically rehaul the skill positions, but the meat and potatoes is there.

 

I'm having trouble parsing this.

If we need to "drastically rehaul" the skill positions and tweak the OL, what does "meat and potatoes is there" mean to you?

I hope our offense will improve under Daboll next year. 

[ProcessAccepted]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

At some point, even the haters of Daboll might start to wonder why teams are interested in him?...

 

what gets me is that it's always the same haters all the time. Fire this guy and that guy. Remember last summer they wanted McD fired. They wanted Greg Roman gone too... So much uneducated hate out there.

[BillsfanAZ]

6 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

If you don't fire him, at least bring in someone else to call plays and make the offensive game plans.  If this doesn't happen, are there smarter people making these decisions?

So when the Bills offense executes then Allen and the players are good. If they dont execute and make mistakes then Daboll sucks? I have questioned some play calling and I dont like going conservative with Gore. Lets face it if Allen hits a few more passes or playmakers dont drop some balls, the Bills win one or two more games this season. 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, kbarrettb said:

Seems the Bills like him more than some message board poster who has no idea what’s actually happening behind the scenes. Stick to being a keyboard coordinator and let the professionals do their jobs. 

 

 

To be fair the same was said here about Dick Jauron going into year 3 in Buffalo.........and he even got off to a good start and got an extension that year.

 

Bad decisions happen even when there should have been enough data to know better.

 

But at least Jauron had had one good season as a HC(in Chicago) to go with the 6 losing ones.

 

Daboll hasn't produced a good offense at any of his 4 NFL OC jobs.

 

All bad.

 

I think he's clearly a really good X's and O's guy but his play calling and the lack of rhythm and tempo in his offense is a problem.

 

Ultimately the interest in him could just be the familiarity and experience with the Patriots offensive system and in the case of Cleveland the fact that DePodesta was a big McDermott fan.

[Chaos]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I also think it depends what the Bills number 1 goal is at this point. I believe it is actually to develop Josh Allen into a bona fide Franchise QB. Do that and the Championships will follow. If the question is then "Does retaining Daboll give Josh Allen the best chance of remaining on that trajectory?" then I think yes is the answer.

If that is your goal, then you are asking the right question.  Personally I don't know the answer to that question. 

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Wonder if Daboll wanted to pursue it.

 

 

That was my first thought.

 

Before asking for permission you would think that Judge and Daboll had some kind of conversation.

 

Maybe there was some friction with McD about how the season went/ended?

 

Does he want a fresh start after two lousy production years in Buffalo?   Get out before his stock drops?

 

Maybe he prefers Daniel Jones(who had a 5 TD game and looked quite promising) to what he has in the high ceiling but scattershot Josh Allen?

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

All I am saying is that in your option 3 here, it is a judgment call, and too many fans act as if it's a simple matter. Your "universe of prospects" formulation is ludicrous. If you compare ANY coach against the "universe of prospects" then you will fire him and hire somebody else. 

 

There are many factors in evaluating a coach. It's not as simple as you present it here. Unless a coach is completely incompetent, it's a judgment call. 

 

I know a lot of Bills fans believe that Daboll is hopelessly incompetent, but they are wrong. 

 

I don't believe that Daboll is incompetent.

I see plays left on the field through execution that should reasonably be expected - a missed block in space, two OLmen tripping on each other, a throw to an open receiver in space not taken, a throw made and not caught.

 

But the overall sequence and selection of plays, and sometimes the players on the field, still bothers me.  I can't verbalize what I see, I don't know enough or have the terminology, I  just see that sometimes it's off kilter.  There's a play selected on 3rd down that should have been a 1st or 2nd down play.  There are guys outside running routes who are not our best players.  Etc.

 

Maybe Daboll is trying to be clever because of gaps in the personnel available to him, and if there's an upgrade he'll quit that, I dunno.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

10 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

People like to assume a new OC would be better for Allen but the opposite could also be true. If most of us agree that Josh is developing pretty nicely so far, why do people want to mess with that? I’ve been a Bills fan (and a sports fan in general) long enough to know that the next hire isn’t always automatically better than the previous one. 

 

But Rex!

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

 

I am not sure the question that needs to be asked is "will someone else be better"?

The first question that needs to be asked is "Will Daboll be good enough to lead make the offense championship caliber?"  If the answer is yes, then the questions stop there. 
If the answer is no, then the next question is "Is my goal really too win the championship?".  If the answer to that question is yes, then the next question Among the hundreds of college head coaches, NFL position coaches and ex-NFL head coaches and OC, is there someone who MIGHT be good enough to build a championship offense.  If the answer to tha t question is yes, then hire that person.  If the answer to that question is no, then you have have to find a new goal other than winning the championship. 

In the words of the fictional but brilliant Reese Bobby "If you ain't first, you're last."    sidenote, Mr. Bobby later recanted saying he must have been high when he made the initial statement. 

Personally, I don’t think that’s the question to be asking right now. IMO That’s like skipping from step 2 all the way to the last step. 

 

For me, the question is, is Daboll the guy to develop Josh Allen into the franchise QB we think (hope) he can be? And so far, I’d say Daboll seems to be developing Josh Allen pretty nicely. I don’t want to mess with that under the assumption someone else might do a better job. My Grandpa used to always say “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”. 

 

Until Josh Allen develops, the Bills aren’t going to be competing for championships. 

 

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I also think it depends what the Bills number 1 goal is at this point. I believe it is actually to develop Josh Allen into a bona fide Franchise QB. Do that and the Championships will follow. If the question is then "Does retaining Daboll give Josh Allen the best chance of remaining on that trajectory?" then I think yes is the answer.

Yes, exactly this. 

[Happy]

8 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

So when the Bills offense executes then Allen and the players are good. If they dont execute and make mistakes then Daboll sucks? I have questioned some play calling and I dont like going conservative with Gore. Lets face it if Allen hits a few more passes or playmakers dont drop some balls, the Bills win one or two more games this season. 

 

I'm not saying the players failed to execute on some of the plays.  I agree with your last sentence, as well.  My problem is that Daboll rolled out an offense that cannot effective be run with a rookie or second year QB, combined with almost a completely new group of players.  Start off simple and let the team grow into the offense; also let Josh be Josh, make the offense friendlier to his strengths, not what Tom Brady would do.  It appears that Daboll threw too much at Josh too soon, and made him into something he's not.  John Brown made comments earlier this season that this is the most complex offense he has been a part of.  So some of it is execution, though I think more is Daboll taking too much of an academic view of the offense.

[Coach Tuesday]

16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That was my first thought.

 

Before asking for permission you would think that Judge and Daboll had some kind of conversation.

 

Maybe there was some friction with McD about how the season went/ended?

 

Does he want a fresh start after two lousy production years in Buffalo?   Get out before his stock drops?

 

Maybe he prefers Daniel Jones(who had a 5 TD game and looked quite promising) to what he has in the high ceiling but scattershot Josh Allen?

 

 

Yup.  These requests typically don't come out of the ether.  Another scenario is that he encouraged Judge to make the request because he was genuinely wondering whether/how much he's valued at OBD...

Edited January 16, 2020 by Coach Tuesday

[T master]

11 hours ago, SCBills said:

At some point, even the haters of Daboll might start to wonder why teams are interested in him?...

 

 

It's kind of like the Flutie haters, the guy could do a bunch of things to advance the team & all the debby downers would find something about them to bi**h about !! 

 

 

[416BillsFan]

11 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I would guess it is the Patriot and Belichick connection

I would guess that the rest of the NFL was amazed he was able to get the production he did out of Allen, Beasley, Brown et al. when everyone was new except for Josh & Dion. I hope he does get a HC job next year not because I want him to go, but because it likely means the offense took another leap.

Edited January 16, 2020 by 416BillsFan

[BillsfanAZ]

3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I'm not saying the players failed to execute on some of the plays.  I agree with your last sentence, as well.  My problem is that Daboll rolled out an offense that cannot effective be run with a rookie or second year QB, combined with almost a completely new group of players.  Start off simple and let the team grow into the offense; also let Josh be Josh, make the offense friendlier to his strengths, not what Tom Brady would do.  It appears that Daboll threw too much at Josh too soon, and made him into something he's not.  John Brown made comments earlier this season that this is the most complex offense he has been a part of.  So some of it is execution, though I think more is Daboll taking too much of an academic view of the offense.

I get what you are saying. I think Daboll overthought some situations with weird playcalls. I think they should have kept using Singletary more through the playoffs. Taking both years Allen has in this system there is good growth from year one to year two. I think the Oline is improved but still struggled at times. I am not willing to throw Daboll out the door just yet. I would like to see what he can come up with a few more playmakers. I think the screen game needs to improve big time next season. Bottom line is that I think it was more on the players not executing rather than Dabolls offense as to the reason the Bills were not scoring more than 20 points a game. It also comes down to offensive talent. The Bills did not have one game changing offensive player. 

[BillsFan4]

2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I'm not saying the players failed to execute on some of the plays.  I agree with your last sentence, as well.  My problem is that Daboll rolled out an offense that cannot effective be run with a rookie or second year QB, combined with almost a completely new group of players.  Start off simple and let the team grow into the offense; also let Josh be Josh, make the offense friendlier to his strengths, not what Tom Brady would do.  It appears that Daboll threw too much at Josh too soon, and made him into something he's not.  John Brown made comments earlier this season that this is the most complex offense he has been a part of.  So some of it is execution, though I think more is Daboll taking too much of an academic view of the offense.

 

 

He definitely had a lot on his plate, but I thought he handled it pretty well. I felt like he continued to improve all season, and I kind of like that he wasn’t babied. The Bills weren’t expected to compete for a championship this past season. It was really the first year of the “build” phase of the re-build. 

 

So why not try to develop Josh into a complete QB and force him to learn/grow, instead of running some gimmicky offense that only caters to what he already does well and doesn’t force the same type of growth?

 

Those gimmicky offenses always get figured out. Then teams start taking away what that QB does well (Lamar in the playoffs for ex) and now that QB has to start learning how to do more of the things that he wasn’t as good at in order to adapt+overcome. 

 

So I guess I just look at it as Josh getting a head start on that process. Why not try to develop him into complete QB now instead of later? I guess you could argue that he wasn’t ready for it, but I don’t think it hurt his development at all. If anything, I feel like it helped it. 

 

Im not saying I agree with everything Daboll did or anything, and I’d like to see more of what Josh does best mixed in. But overall I’ve been pretty happy with the way Josh is developing under Daboll. 

 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That was my first thought.

 

Before asking for permission you would think that Judge and Daboll had some kind of conversation.

 

Maybe there was some friction with McD about how the season went/ended?

 

Does he want a fresh start after two lousy production years in Buffalo?   Get out before his stock drops?

 

Maybe he prefers Daniel Jones(who had a 5 TD game and looked quite promising) to what he has in the high ceiling but scattershot Josh Allen?

 

 

All of this might be true. Equally the Giants are probably second only to the Browns in terms of dysfunctional mess of a franchise at the moment. Making a request to hire a guy they haven't spoken to sounds right up their street.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Yup.  These requests typically don't come out of the ether.  Another scenario is that he asked Judge to make the request because he was genuinely wondering whether/how much he's valued at OBD...

Typically it is just the HC providing a list of OC candidates he would be interested in, back when he first interviewed, to whoever is running the search and requests are made to any still under contract, others like Jason Garrett are just brought in. 

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I'm not saying the players failed to execute on some of the plays.  I agree with your last sentence, as well.  My problem is that Daboll rolled out an offense that cannot effective be run with a rookie or second year QB, combined with almost a completely new group of players.  Start off simple and let the team grow into the offense; also let Josh be Josh, make the offense friendlier to his strengths, not what Tom Brady would do.  It appears that Daboll threw too much at Josh too soon, and made him into something he's not.  John Brown made comments earlier this season that this is the most complex offense he has been a part of.  So some of it is execution, though I think more is Daboll taking too much of an academic view of the offense.

 

 

 

For some reason.......with Brian Daboll a large group of Bills fans actively choose to ignore the basic tenet that a good coach builds the system around the players.

 

That has not been the case here.

 

It's intriguing to me that by throwing a lot at Allen it could make him a better QB in the long run...........and hopefully it's a LONG run...........but it feels forced to say the least.

 

There is no point in drafting a Josh Allen to make him a game manager.

[Nihilarian]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

At some point, even the haters of Daboll might start to wonder why teams are interested in him?...

 

The first team to have an interest in Daboll were the Carolina Panthers who fired their HC Ron Rivera on Dec 3rd 2019. It was leaked after the firing that the Panthers had an interest in Badoll probably because of the run the Bills made by beating the Dolphins 37-20, next beating the Broncos 20-3 and finally against Dallas on Thanksgiving day. @Kirby Jackson who posted in a thread about it.

 

That Cowboys defeat on national TV made the NFL world stand up and take a long look at Buffalo, Josh Allen. And Allen looked brilliant in that game going 20 of 25 for 259 yards 2 passing TDs, one rushing TD, he had a rating of 120.7. 

 

Knowing the strong Carolina connection I wonder if the Panthers new owner had targeted Daboll as his next HC at that time. There was probably still interest after the losses to the Ravens and Patriots. Its my thinking that the epic meltdown on offense to the Texans after going up 16-0 and all the teams lost interest. Carolina didn't even bother with an interview after all. 

 

After how this season ended for Buffalo on offense it really makes me question as to why this HC/GM want to keep Daboll at all. Beane blaming himself, really? After all the upgrades to the line, receiver corps, future star RB in Devin Singletary. Nine of 11 starters upgraded on offense?

Perhaps he felt he let the team down in not acquiring Emmanuel Sanders? Jadeveon Clowney? AJ Green? The one guy I'm glad turned down Buffalo was the head case that went to the Raiders, Patriots in AB. Thank the Lord! 

 

Could Amari Cooper be in his sights should Dallas not re sign him?

 

Anyway, 2020 should be better if Duke Williams gets a full shot as a starting WR in training camp. Also, lets not forget about RB Christian Wade who looked brilliant in pre season last year. 

[DrDawkinstein]

24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That was my first thought.

 

Before asking for permission you would think that Judge and Daboll had some kind of conversation.

 

Maybe there was some friction with McD about how the season went/ended?

 

Does he want a fresh start after two lousy production years in Buffalo?   Get out before his stock drops?

 

Maybe he prefers Daniel Jones(who had a 5 TD game and looked quite promising) to what he has in the high ceiling but scattershot Josh Allen?

 

 

I know backdoor discussions happen all the time, but is it "legal" for Judge to even have that discussion with Daboll? Isnt that tampering?

 

Also, why all the stretching to create these dramatic situations?

 

IMO, the Giants asked the Bills, McD talked to Daboll and they discussed why the Bills would be denying the request, and everyone moves on like adults.

11 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Yup.  These requests typically don't come out of the ether.  Another scenario is that he encouraged Judge to make the request because he was genuinely wondering whether/how much he's valued at OBD...

 

Again, yall are really trying hard to create drama where there most likely isnt any.

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I know backdoor discussions happen all the time, but is it "legal" for Judge to even have that discussion with Daboll? Isnt that tampering?

 

Also, why all the stretching to create these dramatic situations?

 

IMO, the Giants asked the Bills, McD talked to Daboll and they discussed why the Bills would be denying the request, and everyone moves on like adults.

 

Again, yall are really trying hard to create drama where there most likely isnt any.

Judge is not allowed to pursue any coaches under contract so would not have called Daboll - in fact, everything goes through the Bills. They would be the ones to make him aware. The only other way to have a “discussion” about him for the job  would be agent to agent. 

Edited January 16, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Lurker]

12 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Why deny them go ahead and give him away

 

My guess is they'd rather have him in the AFC, to improve the Bills competitive odds...