Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) Edited January 13, 2020 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 And why he will leave Buffalo and be immediately overpaid. major liability against the Run. But teams will overlook that for those sack numbers. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: And why he will leave Buffalo and be immediately overpaid. major liability against the Run. But teams will overlook that for those sack numbers. I like him as a player - the juice he brings to the team, but he will be overpaid 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan93 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 $17,000,000 ???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yea I think he’s gonna paid big somewhere else. Sign Shaq & Spain. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: I like him as a player - the juice he brings to the team, but he will be overpaid I would like to keep him. And will overpay a bit (nature or market) but anything over 10AVV (about 3M over his value) is a hard pass 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I like him, but if he's going into negotiations thinking top 3 money is actually his starting position, I can't imagine a deal getting done. He's going to have to give in wayyyyy more than that. I wouldn't want to pay him half that personally. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 yeah, his numbers THIS YEAR. He's fantastic, but put his career numbers against other DT's. Totally different picture. No way we should pay him top 3 DT pay. I'd keep Lawson and draft a DT or get a FA DT as a rotational part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Does the hunger and drive go away once he receives the big contract? That's the big decision when a player has a career year in a contract year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill963 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And why he will leave Buffalo and be immediately overpaid. major liability against the Run. But teams will overlook that for those sack numbers. Anything to back up this assertion about being a liability against the run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Invisible against Houston’s terrible line. Bye dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill963 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 JP strikes me as someone who will drop off the moment he gets a massive contract 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I like the guy and what he brought. But I guess the right answer is, with the bills defensive scheme and rotation philosophy, they can’t afford to tie up top 3 DT money. They also already have Harry, Oliver and Star. Liguet even made some plays. if he truly commands that type of money then he will find it, somewhere but I think he’ll need to play 90% of the snaps to warrant it. not happening in buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 We're covered. . 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, BuffaloBill963 said: Anything to back up this assertion about being a liability against the run? my way Game tape. Star and Oliver were the two best against the run. Phillips for a Big man picks a gap and goes. Won’t hold his ground and opens seams. Hence liability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill963 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: my way Game tape. Star and Oliver were the two best against the run. Phillips for a Big man picks a gap and goes. Won’t hold his ground and opens seams. Hence liability. Thanks ? will check it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I like Jordan Phillips, and think he's a good DT to have on the field in pass rushing situations. But his run D is pretty bad. This play has stuck with me, he gets pushed 5 yards down field by Philly's Guard on the play resulting in a rushing TD for Boston Scott. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 See ya, Jordan. It’s been nice, but you are no where near a top three DT in this league. Will you give your new team a rebate for every play you take yourself out of position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Phillips is VERY good at what he does well- penetrating 3tech. Outside that he can't stand up to a double team and usually loses in the run game. McDermott knows this which is why they had a particular rotation at DT. Phillips will be properly valued by the staff imo and will get a much bigger offer elsewhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I would like to keep him. And will overpay a bit (nature or market) but anything over 10AVV (about 3M over his value) is a hard pass We cannot have 3 DT's make top 15 money...Star, Oliver is already in the top 15 based on where he was drafted and now Phillips? Sorry, can't do it. Phillips will be coming back and can take over, need to draft someone to replace him. Edited January 13, 2020 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 He's gonna get paid and deserves so. I see 15 mill a year type contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, B-Man said: We're covered. . 99 is the reason all along I feel we might not even make Phillips an offer. They're paying ? big $, spent a 3rd and 1st in last 3 years. Can't invest more imo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 He isn’t a top 3 DT. He is probably the third or fourth best DT on our team. I hope someone else pays him top 3 DT and it is someone in the AFC and it prohibits them from making another signing In the future. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Things getting zesty among the DT room, I see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) He's top 3 on our team at DT. Nowhere near that relative to all the DTs in the league though. He or his new team will be in for a rude awakening IMO. Edited January 13, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Things getting zesty among the DT room, I see. I'm sad the thread is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Reed83HOF said: I'm sad the thread is gone Me too. That had some real potential for a TSW classic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) Sounds like he's looking for Fletcher Cox type money ($17M AAV), or at the least Marcel Darius money ($14M AAV). Jordan Phillips has been more productive than Darius. Edited January 13, 2020 by Happy Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said: He isn’t a top 3 DT. He is probably the third or fourth best DT on our team. I hope someone else pays him top 3 DT and it is someone in the AFC and it prohibits them from making another signing In the future. 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: We cannot have 3 DT's make top 15 money...Star, Oliver is already in the top 15 based on where he was drafted and now Phillips? Sorry, can't do it. Phillips will be coming back and can take over, need to draft someone to replace him. I am fine at 10M AVV for him with the way the roster is set up and paid right now. Anything higher and it is a Hard no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 let him test the water and see if if his best offer is worth matching or beating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: Sounds like he's looking for Fletcher Cox type money ($17M AAV), or at the least Marcel Darius money ($14M AAV). Jordan Phillips has been more productive than Darius. Max I am going in Star's Contract. 10M AVV and that is 3M over his market value, his game is FLAWED whether he wants to see it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Harrison Phillips coming back for 2020 gives the Bills plenty of flexibility including letting Jordan Phillips walk if he will not agree to a contract that accurately reflects his value to the Bills. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: I am fine at 10M AVV for him with the way the roster is set up and paid right now. Anything higher and it is a Hard no I would go to 11 tbh. But imo he's looking for 15+ and the value's just not there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Things getting zesty among the DT room, I see. I'm wondering if they have already received initial offers from the team and they might feel slighted. They being Phillips and Lawson. Just a thought from me with nothing to back it up. Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, GoBills808 said: I would go to 11 tbh. But imo he's looking for 15+ and the value's just not there I guess I could be talked into 11M but that for me would mean after Harry comes back and shows he is healthy next year I am moving on from Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I am fine at 10M AVV for him with the way the roster is set up and paid right now. Anything higher and it is a Hard no Even that seems high to me because of the Starr contract and having to pay Harrison and Oliver in the near future. I also want money available for defensive end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: I guess I could be talked into 11M but that for me would mean after Harry comes back and shows he is healthy next year I am moving on from Star I think that's basically the plan, Lotulelei is in all likelihood done after 2020 imo...the real question overall is does McDermott value his 3tech like that because we already know he values his 1tech. I'm thinking between Oliver showing more in the tookbox than Phillips already (imo) and Harrison getting healthy it's unlikely they make 97 an offer close to what he can get in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 We haven't really been down this road yet with Beane. Let's hope he's good at holding the line on value for guys like Shaq and Phillips. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, dpberr said: Does the hunger and drive go away once he receives the big contract? That's the big decision when a player has a career year in a contract year. You mean the dreaded Haynesworth-Dareus Syndrome?! Haha. I like big JP, he made some great plays this year and does fly off the tape every now and again. I feel like he kinda disappears at times, too, though. I wouldn't mind if they re-signed him. They'll have Harrison Phillips back as well and from the few games he played, it seemed like he was a better option against the run. So maybe rotate those two like that, let Harrison handle run downs and then see if they can't scheme up something to get JP loose on passing downs, I dunno. Just spitballin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: my way Game tape. Star and Oliver were the two best against the run. Phillips for a Big man picks a gap and goes. Won’t hold his ground and opens seams. Hence liability. So I actually agree with Bobby on this...... My thing is if I cant cut Star (who is WAY overpaid) and put him in Star's spot at his size....then what is the point. Oliver is going to be the star of the DT's......Horrible Harry will be coming back......I would rather have Shaq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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