freddyjj Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 hours ago, krf139 said: After picking Zay Jones (and trading up for him), I have complete confidence in Beane to select the right guy Sarcasm I take. Beane was not GM for Bills 2017 draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, noacls said: He ran a 4.75 coming into college. He is expected to run mid 4.6s at combine/pro day. Kelvin Benjamin 2.0. No thanks NFL teams expect him to run in the 4.4s. Doesn’t mean he will but that’s what they’re expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DCOrange said: NFL teams expect him to run in the 4.4s. Doesn’t mean he will but that’s what they’re expecting. Really, where can I read up on that. I think you may have Higgins and Shenault mixed up. Edited January 13, 2020 by noacls I cant spel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Beane understands the moneyball aspect of the draft and the thing is that in terms of getting value out of draft picks (cap hit under rookie contracts) the positions it makes sense to draft in the first and second round are QB, WR, Edge rusher, OT and CB. The Bills' needs line up perfectly and look for a WR or DE/Edge rusher in the 1st and one of those two or OT in the second. If they feel strongly about someone at those positions I have not problem with them trading up to around 14-17. #22 in the trade value chart (drafttek) is 780 points, #16 is 1,000. Their 3rd rounder is 160 points so that gets them close. Otherwise sit tight and most likely they will have good options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: I see Beane trading for a WR and selecting a WR in the 1st or 2nd. Be still, my beating heart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: No credentialed scouts from Bills to any Clemson game this year including the fiesta bowl vs Ohio state. Odd. Assume they will be there tomorrow night at least. I’ve had enough of Clemson players on the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, noacls said: Really, where can I read up on that. I think you may have Higgins and Shenault mixed up. I asked Dane Brugler about the 40 times he lists on his big board at The Athletic. He gets them from NFL teams. He has Higgins listed at 4.47 and Shenault at 4.55. Edited January 13, 2020 by DCOrange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, whorlnut said: It’s really discouraging that the Bills are t linked to Tee Higgins. He’s EXACTLY what they need. He’s a long athlete with strong hands. Win 50/50 balls and isn’t afraid of contact. The kind of guy that would greatly benefit Allen... By far Higgins, has THE best hands in this draft. His form is just great and always snags the ball with his hands, never lets it get into his body - which would be nice considering how many drops our WRs had. His catch radius is also very nice as not only is he around 6’4’’, but he also has great flexibility. He is not the fastest WR, but he was able to get behind secondaries pretty consistently at Clemson. To me he has the ability to be a DeAndre Hopkins type of receiver, which we saw first hand how that has helped DW. Even in the Orange Bowl where he was matched up with Okudah who is gonna be a really good pro, he got over him for a touchdown. From what I’ve seen so far, I think he is WR1 in this class (Which is deep but I don’t think has an elite talent at the top) and should fall right where we will be drafting as of right now. Edited January 13, 2020 by LEBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I asked Dane Brugler about the 40 times he lists on his big board at The Athletic. He gets them from NFL teams. He has Higgins listed at 4.47 and Shenault at 4.55. If Higgins is that fast I'm all for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I heard this comparison of him: “if marshawn lynch were a WR he would be laviska shenault” My problem is that he played in a weak conference.only 25% of his catches came against top 25 teams. Anyone can bowl over dbs from Colorado State. So I would take Higgins over him due to size and quality of competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Higgins is way more fluid and much faster than Benjamin ever was. I can’t believe this was even a mention Benjamin ran a 4.61 at combine. Let's have a friendly wager if Tee Higgins beats that. . Loser has to have a Tom Brady avatar picked by winner for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, noacls said: If Higgins is that fast I'm all for it Yeah, I'm not sure I see that speed personally but that's apparently what the NFL teams have listed for him in their database. He did say that the junior times tend to be less accurate than the seniors so with Higgins being a junior, he could end up being off a bit. We'll see soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Penfield45 said: yup. best WR in the draft by a mile If anyone wants a preview. this guy can catch anything, can break your ankles, and runs over people like a power RB. Sounds like pre draft Sammy Watkins description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 10 hours ago, krf139 said: After picking Zay Jones (and trading up for him), I have complete confidence in Beane to select the right guy Seriously? Every GM misses on guys including those that are considered the best in the business. Selecting one obvious miss when they went and cleaned it up early by trading him away is not a strong take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 hours ago, noacls said: Maybe the Bills learned their lesson and they dont want another fat and slow WR. Higgins fat and slow? What the what? He’s skinny (almost too skinny) and fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I’d love CD...but give me Tyler Johnson, Minnesota, In Round 2...all day. guy looks like he will ball out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 14 hours ago, krf139 said: After picking Zay Jones (and trading up for him), I have complete confidence in Beane to select the right guy Bruh... Whaley... not Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 13 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: I wish I disagreed... but I don’t. I told about 20 people last night that Beane needs to give Derrick Henry a blank check in March. Unfortunately the ability of a team to use both the franchise tag and transition tag this year is going to make it much more difficult. I see Henry getting the non-exclusive franchise tag and Tannehill getting the transition tag. If tannehill was smart, he should sign a contract with the Titans ASAP. Take the 24-28MIL a year and laugh all the way to the bank. He will not find a better fit for him than the Titans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Yeah, he really hit a HR with Foster? Can't really blame Daboll for that. Foster was undrafted. Getting over 600 yards and 3 TDs in 26 games out of an UDFA WR is an accomplishment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Bakin said: I’d love CD...but give me Tyler Johnson, Minnesota, In Round 2...all day. guy looks like he will ball out. Long way to go before the draft, but at the moment, people seem to think hell be available on Day 3; maybe even late on Day 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 22 hours ago, Locomark said: My problem is that he played in a weak conference.only 25% of his catches came against top 25 teams. Anyone can bowl over dbs from Colorado State. So I would take Higgins over him due to size and quality of competition. He didn’t even really look that good against Colorado State. He draws flags but he doesn’t win 50/50 balls all that often, and his adjustment to off throws isn’t anything to get excited about. If he isn’t wide open on deep throws he doesn’t usually come down with them. He’s not a great blocker and doesn’t try to sell the play when it’s not coming his way. I see a lot of issues with his game tbh. I’m not saying he won’t be good, but he’s just doesn’t offer a complete package. He’s a good, fluid route runner who seemed to excel playing underneath coverage getting open in space, but I don’t see a dominant WR watching him. He does look like RB with the ball in his hands, and is a good runner after the catch. Watching Higgins and Jefferson tonight on the big stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 5:26 PM, noacls said: He ran a 4.75 coming into college. He is expected to run mid 4.6s at combine/pro day. Kelvin Benjamin 2.0. No thanks Completely different attitude and work ethic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 9:01 AM, Niagara Dude said: I would offer Henry 24 million a season over 4 seasons and force Titans to match. End of the day Henry offers the Bills what Sean wants to do on offense, run the ball/control the clock and wear defenses down. Open up play action passing down the field 24 million a season?? You mean 4 years/24 million total? That's too low for Henry, but makes more sense than 24 million per season. Hell, Tre is going to get 16-17 per year at a more important position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 23 hours ago, noacls said: Benjamin ran a 4.61 at combine. Let's have a friendly wager if Tee Higgins beats that. . Loser has to have a Tom Brady avatar picked by winner for a year. KB Jr looking pretty good tonight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: KB Jr looking pretty good tonight It was a nice rushing td maybe he can be the new rb2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Higgins fat and slow? What the what? He’s skinny (almost too skinny) and fast... I can't tell if this is Tee Higgins or Kelvin Benjamin honestly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty98 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Justyn Ross is better than Higgins IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 12:01 PM, Niagara Dude said: I would offer Henry 24 million a season over 4 seasons and force Titans to match. End of the day Henry offers the Bills what Sean wants to do on offense, run the ball/control the clock and wear defenses down. Open up play action passing down the field Crazily, I find myself agreeing with you. The exact kind of player JA and this offense needs. Takes the pressure off the QB, perfect compliment to Singletary, girnd it down the field and run the clock--which helps the D get better, and opens play action. YUUUUP! Get Henry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I miss Dean around here and dislike that he left. That being said, this is list is irrelevant. Does anyone really believe we aren’t scouting Clemson for receivers or any other players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: I miss Dean around here and dislike that he left. That being said, this is list is irrelevant. Does anyone really believe we aren’t scouting Clemson for receivers or any other players? I don’t believe they aren’t scouting Clemson and neither does he. They just haven’t sent any credentialed scouts to their games. Thats all he’s reporting. They may have been there, un-credentialed. They have film up the wazoo. And I’m sure they had someone there last night. Edited January 14, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 10:49 AM, krf139 said: After picking Zay Jones (and trading up for him), I have complete confidence in Beane to select the right guy 2017 the yr Zay Jones was taken McD was in charge of that draft, The draft in 2017 was April 27th to the 29th & Beane was hired May 9th of 2017 so Zay wasn't a Beane pick ! The first draft that Beane was in charge of was 2018 !! https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2017/04/nfl_draft_2017_grades_for_all_6_buffalo_bills_picks_sean_mcdermott_first_draft.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 7:00 AM, YoloinOhio said: I don’t believe they aren’t scouting Clemson and neither does he. They just haven’t sent any credentialed scouts to their games. Thats all he’s reporting. They may have been there, un-credentialed. They have film up the wazoo. And I’m sure they had someone there last night. Quick follow-up: He now says we had scouts at the Syracuse-Clemson game at the beginning of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 01/12/2020 at 9:40 PM, YoloinOhio said: Higgins fat and slow? What the what? He’s skinny (almost too skinny) and fast... deceptive skinny at 215 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 12:22 PM, Rc2catch said: It depends on the guy. My target guys aren’t exactly made available but I would offer our first for Stefon Diggs or Mike Evans. A youngish guy who already has his contract for the next 3-4 years. It’s unlikely but it’s something I was hoping they would try. Even more so after seeing Diggs last night. But who knows if they can even be traded for. Just my madden wish list Lol you really do hate daboll don’t you? Relentless Yeah I mentioned this exact scenario at the trade to shoot for the noon and offer Tampa a crazy trade for Evans. He exudes what McDermott preaches and would make this offense scary. I’ll keep dreaming ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 12:49 AM, krf139 said: After picking Zay Jones (and trading up for him), I have complete confidence in Beane to select the right guy Who? Beane drafted Jones? Oh and he passed on Mahomes too, right? 1 hour ago, T master said: 2017 the yr Zay Jones was taken McD was in charge of that draft, The draft in 2017 was April 27th to the 29th & Beane was hired May 9th of 2017 so Zay wasn't a Beane pick ! The first draft that Beane was in charge of was 2018 !! https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2017/04/nfl_draft_2017_grades_for_all_6_buffalo_bills_picks_sean_mcdermott_first_draft.html Once again, McDermott is a coach, not a GM. He did not conduct the draft and there is simply no evidence to support this claim. Doug Whaley was the GM and he ran that draft. Period. Prove me wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Oh and PLEASE do not waste a 1st or 2nd round pick on a LB or RB. WR would be fine. OT would be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 11:20 AM, Lurker said: Shenault. Please, Shenault... He’ll be gone. I think it comes down to Jefferson or Ruggs at #21. Even then it’s 50/50 either of them will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonley1180 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 9:45 PM, noacls said: If Higgins is that fast I'm all for it if Higgins is that fast he won’t be there at 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 8:29 AM, McBean said: Draft them all. We. Need. WEAPONS. So do the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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