Dkollidas Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I would think Hyde is the better player to invest in. Jaquan Johnson looked solid in limited snaps, and I wonder if Neal could make the move to safety as well. He made some decent plays against Houston but I think he’s built more for safety than corner in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Eh, Poyer can consider holding out if he really feels insulted by his current deal. Not sure he’s got the leverage for that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Augie said: We could all use more fruits and vegetables. There are a lot of both types posting on these social media sites. Despite his philanthropy, Zuckerberg and many of his ilk should burn in hell for their ‘contributions’ to the world. * Most of the ‘look at me!’ social media sites would benefit from a 500 word qualifying essay as to why the prospective member deserves to have membership. It can be evaluated by any reputable sixth grade language arts instructor. * Jeebus, I’m grumpy this morning! ? Edited January 6, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I fully recognize and appreciate the Bills Defense is *the* reason they made it into the playoffs and also why they lost the WC game. Poyer and Hyde have been incredible since coming to Buffalo and I'm truly grateful. However, Safety is not a value position IMHO. QB, DE, Top CB, LT and MLB are all high value positions, meaning their position simply by scheme can change the outcome of a game and make a notable impact. Yes, a good Safety can be a terrific player and role to have, but they just don't hold the value above replacement as a position. I know Tre needs to stay and get paid, Dawkins and Milano the same - so to me, as much as I like Poyer, I'd trade him to a contender if possible and take the mid round pick they get in return, say - a 4th? The 4th and 5th round picks for McD and Beane et. al. have turned out quite nicely, so it's not like the years of the past when anything beyond a 3rd round pick was a "throw away". Yes, I know not all of them were like that, e.g. Kyle Williams, but for far too long the Bills just did not Draft well on the whole, let alone in the mid to late rounds. Point being, Drafting a replacement in the mid rounds is probably the better option given what the Bills need to do for their own players and still bring in a few high priority FAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Jaquan Johnson maybe ready to take over at some point. I say let Poyer play out his contract and if Johnson is ready we have his replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 Poyer didn’t have a good game on Saturday. But he adds a ton of value to this team and this defense. I would offer him an extension based on the value they have placed on him. If he doesn’t take it, then decide how to replace him. I wouldn’t just make him play out the existing deal. It’s not in the ballpark of a starting safety. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 There will be no “make up money” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: Eh, Poyer can consider holding out if he really feels insulted by his current deal. Not sure he’s got the leverage for that though. According to one of our guys who legit has some connections, he considered doing just that last year. I'm actually pretty impressed by Poyer as a man. He made a mistake in his personal life that went loudly and immaturely public in the 2018 off season thanks to his IG influencer wife. Apparently they both pulled it together, reconciled, and presumably grew (up) from it, but that's not a trivial thing to pull off. The win-win, IMO, would be for Poyer to realize that most big paydays in the league are "Paper Tigers" due to minimal guaranteed money and salary end-loaded for the final years, and that teams are not going to be lining up to give a 30 yr old safety in a "do your 1/11 system" a long contract. If the Bills offer him an extension with a decent increase in guaranteed money and good injury guarantees, that would practically speaking, be a "win" for both sides. Of course the devil is in the details of what "decent" means. Hyde is able to earn $5M/yr in addition to $1.6M amortized signing bonus. If the Bills offer him an extension that's significantly more than that, we're going to get into "Diner While Dining in Crewe" territory with the rest of the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, billieve420 said: Jaquan Johnson maybe ready to take over at some point. I say let Poyer play out his contract and if Johnson is ready we have his replacement. umm NO. Poyer Hyde and White are a good combo. If it aint broke don't break it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: According to one of our guys who legit has some connections, he considered doing just that last year. I'm actually pretty impressed by Poyer as a man. He made a mistake in his personal life that went loudly and immaturely public in the 2018 off season thanks to his IG influencer wife. Apparently they both pulled it together, reconciled, and presumably grew (up) from it, but that's not a trivial thing to pull off. The win-win, IMO, would be for Poyer to realize that most big paydays in the league are "Paper Tigers" due to minimal guaranteed money and salary end-loaded for the final years, and that teams are not going to be lining up to give a 30 yr old safety in a "do your 1/11 system" a long contract. If the Bills offer him an extension with a decent increase in guaranteed money and good injury guarantees, that would practically speaking, be a "win" for both sides. Of course the devil is in the details of what "decent" means. Hyde is able to earn $5M/yr in addition to $1.6M amortized signing bonus. If the Bills offer him an extension that's significantly more than that, we're going to get into "Diner While Dining in Crewe" territory with the rest of the team. I'd add on an additional 2 years max. Don't want to be paying the guy when hes 32+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I don't see the original tweet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, ndirish1978 said: I don't see the original tweet? Weird. I saw someone say it was deleted on twitter but not sure how it got deleted on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 15 hours ago, KD in CA said: Might be hard to find one that fits within the TOS. That cover shot on twitter is pretty nice! …...her sister is pretty hot too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 47 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Weird. I saw someone say it was deleted on twitter but not sure how it got deleted on here. No blue checkmark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: umm NO. Poyer Hyde and White are a good combo. If it aint broke don't break it. Where is the Jaquan love coming from? He played 53 defensive snaps in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: No blue checkmark? Does she get one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: No blue checkmark? As mentioned before...they're fake Still nice, though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Does she get one? I can't know if that's actually her without one. WHAT WILL I DO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 52 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Weird. I saw someone say it was deleted on twitter but not sure how it got deleted on here. Because you embedded it, I think. If you had screenshot it, it would still be there, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 18 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: He is signed for next season so this is not an issue That used to mean something. He can always hold out or not play at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 18 hours ago, thebandit27 said: He considered holding out this offseason FWIW Ugh. Poyer is a good starting safety, but he’s no Micah Hyde. I’d have no problem with a fair contract extension, but I wouldn’t want to overpay him just because we have a lot of cap room and he demanded it. Let’s hope they can work out a fair deal without theatrics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Weird. I saw someone say it was deleted on twitter but not sure how it got deleted on here. Didn’t someone just post that she grew (up) from the last Twitter fiasco? Based on this I’d say that it sure doesn’t seem like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Why does his wife think the best time to bring this up is the day after the Bills lost a playoff game in which Poyer got dragged into the endzone by 215lb Deshaun Watson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Ugh. Poyer is a good starting safety, but he’s no Micah Hyde. I’d have no problem with a fair contract extension, but I wouldn’t want to overpay him just because we have a lot of cap room and he demanded it. Let’s hope they can work out a fair deal without theatrics. Yup. The road to cap hell is paved with big contracts to good (not great) players. Poyer is valuable, not irreplaceable. Need to apply the baseball WAR logic here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Please keep Poyer, Hyde and Tre together. Pleaaaaaaaase 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I think you let him walk because with Ed and Horrible Harry coming back from surgery where is he going to play if you pay him a monster contract look draft a run stuffing tackle in the draft and rotate him with Ed and Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Why does his wife think the best time to bring this up is the day after the Bills lost a playoff game in which Poyer got dragged into the endzone by 215lb Deshaun Watson? Because...ta-tas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 19 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Was Cleveland I believe Correct. And IMO the Bills can do better and don't resign him. Not for what he will be looking for in the way of comp anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: Because...ta-tas. As good a reason as any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: As good a reason as any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Correct. And IMO the Bills can do better and don't resign him. Not for what he will be looking for in the way of comp anyway. He's under contract to the Bills for another year. He wants an extension. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He's under contract to the Bills for another year. He wants an extension. Yes and I'm saying they won't resign him to an extension. And if he threatens to hold out I'd look to trade him. They might be thinking of doing that anyways in advance of the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class_of_2012 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Who the f is Rachel Bush? And good riddance to Poyer, as he is not a process guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, class_of_2012 said: Who the f is Rachel Bush? And good riddance to Poyer, as he is not a process guy. Wat? Guy plays his ass off for us. Lays out in the run game as few safeties do. Definite process guy. Also makes some mistakes (long run in Ravens game, not sure if on Poyer or on Hyde) and gets trucked sometimes (Watson TD) Rachel Bush his wife. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, class_of_2012 said: Who the f is Rachel Bush? And good riddance to Poyer, as he is not a process guy. Zero truth to this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class_of_2012 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Zero truth to this I say this because of this video of Poyer (first few seconds), where he taunts the Dallas fans: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 She edited the tweet, it was different yesterday. Said she thinks the Bills owe Poyer a big payday after how he's played for them. I think Poyer has played well... I don't know if he's up there with some of the top safeties in the league, but I think I'd keep him around. And if I were a pro athlete, I think I'd tell my SO that my agent will handle contract negotiations. Comments like hers (before she changed it) just draw negative attention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class_of_2012 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, blacklabel said: She edited the tweet, it was different yesterday. Said she thinks the Bills owe Poyer a big payday after how he's played for them. I think Poyer has played well... I don't know if he's up there with some of the top safeties in the league, but I think I'd keep him around. And if I were a pro athlete, I think I'd tell my SO that my agent will handle contract negotiations. Comments like hers (before she changed it) just draw negative attention. I didn't realize you could edit tweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 22 hours ago, Penfield45 said: Poyer got embarrassed twice and ran over by Watson . I wouldn't pay him a dime. let him walk and get replaced. we can lineup any safety next to Hyde and they will play well. Siran Neal might be a player. Had a great game Sat. Minus the sack debacle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 He deserves a raise, @GunnerBill is 1000000% correct on him and Hyde disguising coverage and the sum of the parts has been top notch, I'm just not sure how much cap I put into the safeties. We have the room to give a him a raise and structure it so it hits next offseason and limits the upfront hit this year, but from a production standpoint alone he is replaceable at a cheaper contract. I would look to spend my premium cap space on QB, WR, CB, Edge, Pass Catching TE over a zone safety. We could reasonably fit him in though without affecting our ability in the next couple seasons to sign whoever we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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