Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Unitas, Baugh, and Graham take up 3 spots representing the early years. Staubach and Marino make the top 10 over Young and Brees. I have no issue with Marino but you could make an argument for Brees who has a SB win and better career stats as a pure passer. I would put Steve Young in over Staubach and Baugh. Young is usually my 6th best QB of all time ( Brady, Montana, Manning, Elway, Favre). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Brees and Young should be in there. Gotta kick out Marino for not winning the big game. Tough to know who else to kick out though to let those two in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The list overall has had some large question marks. Methinks they were so worried about a recency bias that they overcompensated. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 NFL 100 is a joke. No Kelly? That’s insane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: NFL 100 is a joke. No Kelly? That’s insane. if it were Top 20, I agree he should be in there. Top 10? Ehhhhh 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 They didn’t put 100 *************** in front of Brady? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, RiotAct said: if it were Top 20, I agree he should be in there. Top 10? Ehhhhh Kelly is a top 10 all-time QB. I’d even rank him higher than Marino & Elway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: NFL 100 is a joke. No Kelly? That’s insane. Kelly is probably in the 11-15 range. Now, if he would have won a Superbowl or two, probably top 10. But he didn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: Kelly is a top 10 all-time QB. I’d even rank him higher than Marino & Elway. Love Jim but can’t agree here. When you only have 10 some greats get left off. When they called the last name I thought it would be Young but Marino had some of the greatest years ever by a QB. And the older guys? Sammy Baugh changed the position. Otto Graham won so many championships. Unitas doesn’t need to be argued at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: Kelly is a top 10 all-time QB. I’d even rank him higher than Marino & Elway. That's the homer in you speaking. Montana, , Elway, Manning, Favre, Young, Marino Then you throw in the old timers out of respect like Unitas, Graham, Staubach, Baugh Then current players like Brady, Brees, Rodgers.....You're dang near 15-20 range before Jim enters the conversation. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Unitas, Baugh, and Graham take up 3 spots representing the early years. Staubach and Marino make the top 10 over Young and Brees. I have no issue with Marino but you could make an argument for Brees who has a SB win and better career stats as a pure passer. I would put Steve Young in over Staubach and Baugh. Young is usually my 6th best QB of all time ( Brady, Montana, Manning, Elway, Favre). Sometimes they put in players before your time, that’s okay 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Kelly is a top 10 all-time QB. I’d even rank him higher than Marino & Elway. Need those votes from people who are aren’t Bills fans, he wasn’t an elite among elites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Brees not being on there is a travesty!! Below is a glimpse at his resume (which isn’t nearly finished). 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Brees not being on there is a travesty!! Below is a glimpse at his resume (which isn’t nearly finished). when you have to quote stats it defeats your purpose do I have to cobble together a list of Marino or Elway or Brady stats to try to make a case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 When you have to narrow it down to 10 QB's in 100 years there's going to be some snubs that piss people off. I would substitute Brees for Staubach. Young would come in at #11 with Rodgers at #12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, row_33 said: when you have to quote stats it defeats your purpose do I have to cobble together a list of Marino or Elway or Brady stats to try to make a case.... I’d love to hear the argument for Marino over Brees. Brees basically broke every record that he had (and will end up being a wide margin). Marino went to a Super Bowl. Brees won a Super Bowl MVP. Without the worst “no-call” in NFL history (literally) Brees would have played for (and won IMO) his second Super Bowl. He may very well go again this year. If your argument is “stats don’t matter” please feel free to make the case for Marino. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Elway is criminally overrated. I woud have picked Brees instead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 These lists are so subjective. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: when you have to quote stats it defeats your purpose do I have to cobble together a list of Marino or Elway or Brady stats to try to make a case.... You do with Marino, stats are the only thing he’s got going for him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 My take: Top 3 are no-brainers. 4 & 5, no problem, I will defer to the historians. 6-10 are just a big jumble, they belong I guess but I can easily replace any of them with Brees. PS. Steve Young is not in the conversation, he is far far below looking up at Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Rico said: You do with Marino, stats are the only thing he’s got going for him. I think if you're going to compare stats from two different areas you need to show how much above average, for their era, that the QB was. So instead of comparing Brees to Marino, compare them to the averages of their era and see which one was more elite in their time. Given the rules changes that favor the passing game a direct comparison isn't exactly the best way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Rico said: My take: Top 3 are no-brainers. 4 & 5, no problem, I will defer to the historians. 6-10 are just a big jumble, they belong I guess but I can easily replace any of them with Brees. PS. Steve Young is not in the conversation, he is far far below looking up at Joe. I agree on Young as well. I’m really surprised so many people on the internet were making a case for him. 10 minutes ago, MDH said: I think if you're going to compare stats from two different areas you need to show how much above average, for their era, that the QB was. So instead of comparing Brees to Marino, compare them to the averages of their era and see which one was more elite in their time. Given the rules changes that favor the passing game a direct comparison isn't exactly the best way of doing it. Even still, Brees has more 5,000 yard passing seasons than every other QB in history combined. Michael Thomas is the 1st pro bowl WR that he has had in New Orleans (obviously he had Jimmy Graham for a period). Brees’ dominance stacks up with anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 11 hours ago, MJS said: Brees and Young should be in there. Gotta kick out Marino for not winning the big game. Tough to know who else to kick out though to let those two in. Um nope. Marino 100% deserves to be in the top 10. Using championships to determine a players greatness in the ultimate team sport is ridiculous. Marino should be top 5. Guy would murder the league if he played today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 5 hours ago, row_33 said: when you have to quote stats it defeats your purpose do I have to cobble together a list of Marino or Elway or Brady stats to try to make a case.... Oh man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Nobody wants to admit or realize that 3 of the top 5 QBs in nfl history all played now or very recently. It’s seen as a slight somehow on the history of the game. The 2 best QBs of all time were Brady and Manning... But Brees is right there. Roger Staubach has no business anywhere near this list. He might not even be in the 10 next guys that should have been off the list. You can’t leave Brees off this thing but obviously there was a conscious effort to include more of the yesteryear players. The game is certainly different nowadays but that’s not the players fault. Brees needs to be on there period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Rico said: You do with Marino, stats are the only thing he’s got going for him. hisssssssssssss 20 minutes ago, NewEra said: Oh man well???? i didn’t need stats to convince me George Brett or Mike Schmidt deserved the HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) Kelly is not even on the radar for this list. To me, he resides somewhere in the vicinity of Kurt Warner and Dan Fouts in the 20 range. I know he's the Field General and called his own plays, etc., but he had a short-ish NFL career with no SB championships and overall numbers that pale compared to some of his peers. He played alongside Montana, Young, Elway, and Marino - All of whom had better careers by most tangible measures. Biggest QB snub to me is Brees, but the guys who made it are household names whereas somehow he is not. Otherwise it's fine as-is. Edited December 28, 2019 by skibum 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: hisssssssssssss well???? i didn’t need stats to convince me George Brett or Mike Schmidt deserved the HOF Well nothing. of course no one is trying to make a case for Marino and Elway to be in the top 100......they ARE IN THE TOP 100!!! Of course people trying to make a case for another player are including stats. That’s what you do when you try and make a case. you do understand that....right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Brees is going to the HOF, with a personality he would have gained more national appeal at least Canton hadn’t turned into the Participation Ribbon that Cooperstown is becoming with drinking buddy committees Springfield has always been a Participation Ribbon joke with everyone getting in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Brees not being on there is a travesty!! Below is a glimpse at his resume (which isn’t nearly finished). Agreed. Marino out, Brees in. Boom Edited December 28, 2019 by Mr. WEO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: Um nope. Marino 100% deserves to be in the top 10. Using championships to determine a players greatness in the ultimate team sport is ridiculous. Marino should be top 5. Guy would murder the league if he played today. Sorry. I completely disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 13 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Unitas, Baugh, and Graham take up 3 spots representing the early years. Staubach and Marino make the top 10 over Young and Brees. I have no issue with Marino but you could make an argument for Brees who has a SB win and better career stats as a pure passer. I would put Steve Young in over Staubach and Baugh. Young is usually my 6th best QB of all time ( Brady, Montana, Manning, Elway, Favre). young is definitely underrated. i cant disagree with you 1 hour ago, skibum said: Kelly is not even on the radar for this list. To me, he resides somewhere in the vicinity of Kurt Warner and Dan Fouts in the 20 range. I know he's the Field General and called his own plays, etc., but he had a short-ish NFL career with no SB championships and overall numbers that pale compared to some of his peers. He played alongside Montana, Young, Elway, and Marino - All of whom had better careers by most tangible measures. Biggest QB snub to me is Brees, but the guys who made it are household names whereas somehow he is not. Otherwise it's fine as-is. Id give Fouts the edge on Kelly.he was a better passer and he never played on a team with a defense 10 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Kelly is a top 10 all-time QB. I’d even rank him higher than Marino & Elway. you didnt see him play then. kelly was a great QB but he wasnt as good as Elway or marino. No way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I think they did a pretty good job given the limited number of spots. Lots of recency bias on here, all the best players in the last 20 years. It' s a 100 year anniversary gotta have all the eras represented. The fact that some think Unitas needs an argument is laughable, nobody I've seen threw the ball any better than Marino. Aaron Rodgers not even on it yet, and switch Brady and Brees teams and its Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, MJS said: Sorry. I completely disagree. Marino may have been the best passer in the history of the league.He threw the best ..Could throw it 80 yds with pinpoint accuracy and throw the subtle shorter stuff with perfection. Guy played on mediocre teams and had a lot of midget receivers...kinda like elway.Quicker release than even Brees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Just now, Tcali said: Marino may have been the best passer in the history of the league.He threw the best ..Could throw it 80 yds with pinpoint accuracy and throw the subtle shorter stuff with perfection. Guy played on mediocre teams and had a lot of midget receivers...kinda like elway.Quicker release than even Brees. he was a top all time great Bills were better off with Kelly though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, skibum said: Kelly is not even on the radar for this list. To me, he resides somewhere in the vicinity of Kurt Warner and Dan Fouts in the 20 range. I know he's the Field General and called his own plays, etc., but he had a short-ish NFL career with no SB championships and overall numbers that pale compared to some of his peers. He played alongside Montana, Young, Elway, and Marino - All of whom had better careers by most tangible measures. Biggest QB snub to me is Brees, but the guys who made it are household names whereas somehow he is not. Otherwise it's fine as-is. I love Brees and its hard to disagree with you. But really there is very nearly a tie IMO at about 7-13. Thats why guys like Young and Brees can get left off.Its almost a coin flip at some point. 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: he was a top all time great Bills were better off with Kelly though possibly---interesting thought and discussion to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, MJS said: Sorry. I completely disagree. You’re allowed to. be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Tcali said: I love Brees and its hard to disagree with you. But really there is very nearly a tie IMO at about 7-13. Thats why guys like Young and Brees can get left off.Its almost a coin flip at some point. possibly---interesting thought and discussion to have. yup Marino was brutal on his teammates, screaming at them for incomplete passes, got worse as he got older. (Bert Jones was the all time chewer out of his skill players) Bills weren’t about perfectionism or highly strung prized players Edited December 28, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Tcali said: Marino may have been the best passer in the history of the league.He threw the best ..Could throw it 80 yds with pinpoint accuracy and throw the subtle shorter stuff with perfection. Guy played on mediocre teams and had a lot of midget receivers...kinda like elway.Quicker release than even Brees. He threw a ton of INT's and in my opinion is hugely overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 58 minutes ago, Tcali said: I love Brees and its hard to disagree with you. But really there is very nearly a tie IMO at about 7-13. Thats why guys like Young and Brees can get left off.Its almost a coin flip at some point. possibly---interesting thought and discussion to have. If starting a franchise in the teams era, I’d certainly not be upset getting any of the names in that range... but for the coin flip, I think owning the record books and having a ring while still not being should weigh heavy in the tie break That said, it seems obvious they didn’t want to weight any era tooo heavily and I’d struggle taking Brady or manning off. So I guess the discussion is favre vs Brees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: NFL 100 is a joke. No Kelly? That’s insane. 28 picks to 21 TD in play offs is insane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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