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This is really getting stupid to not have a big receiver on the field at the end of games. I’m sure we will get one next year. But you have to use who you got on the roster. I don’t want to hear it from anyone and I will not let it go. Duke Williams is on this roster and he needs to be used. I’m ***** pissed ? 

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3 minutes ago, oldschoolfootball1963 said:

Let tell you something Mckenzie is ok but that’s not what we need he’s just like smoke and beasley. 

whats the point. Why is this coaching staff so stubborn on this issue. We are just pissing these games away at the end 

Saving him for the playoffs I'm sure...

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I don’t get it. 
Weeks past we’re dropping balls and duke is sure handed. Ok that is a fair point. 
Tonight, what did they need duke for? 
Allen missed two touchdowns to Knox. 
Is duke making those catches? Shaquille O’Neal in his prime isn’t making those catches. 
This game has zero to do with duke, or the receivers. Daboll had some bad calls, Allen missed throws, and the defense played soft and missed tackles. 
Sorry duke is not the difference between winning and losing today. This team had every chance to win. They did not execute. 

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1 hour ago, oldschoolfootball1963 said:

Let tell you something Mckenzie is ok but that’s not what we need he’s just like smoke and beasley. 

whats the point. Why is this coaching staff so stubborn on this issue. We are just pissing these games away at the end 

 

Or you could ask why are the fanatics so stubborn on this insisting Williams should be playing?

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1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

I don’t get it. 
Weeks past we’re dropping balls and duke is sure handed. Ok that is a fair point. 
Tonight, what did they need duke for? 
Allen missed two touchdowns to Knox. 
Is duke making those catches? Shaquille O’Neal in his prime isn’t making those catches. 
This game has zero to do with duke, or the receivers. Daboll had some bad calls, Allen missed throws, and the defense played soft and missed tackles. 
Sorry duke is not the difference between winning and losing today. This team had every chance to win. They did not execute. 

I don't completely agree here. The pass to knox in the endzone that went off his hands I absolutely believe a taller reciever like Duke could've made. I'd even argue that final throw on 4th down couldve possibly been made by a bigger reciever. 

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1 minute ago, Steptide said:

I don't completely agree here. The pass to knox in the endzone that went off his hands I absolutely believe a taller reciever like Duke could've made. I'd even argue that final throw on 4th down couldve possibly been made by a bigger reciever. 

Isn’t Knox taller than duke? 

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Agreed, watching Beasley try to go up for the game tying TD was comical. The defender had a good 2 inches on him. We don't have any receivers that can go vertical and steal the catch. In crunch time you need a player like that.

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6 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I don't completely agree here. The pass to knox in the endzone that went off his hands I absolutely believe a taller reciever like Duke could've made. I'd even argue that final throw on 4th down couldve possibly been made by a bigger reciever. 

I thought the same on the final 4th down play with the smaller Beasley trying so desperately to make a play. The problem is, size doesn’t always equal talent. Some of those contested catches are not just made by big guys, but by big guys with elite talent. Size alone doesn’t make those plays, and it’s tough to find elite big WR’s. With that said, I don’t see any reason not to activate Duke with other guys doing nothing. At least we’d have a chance in those situations. It might have been nice to have him on that final play for example.

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Lee Smith

Patrick DiMarco

Robert Foster

Isaiah McKenzie 

Andre Roberts

Senorise Perry

.....all these 6 get activated and they produce nothing to this offense. Yet we have a capable 6-3 redzone threat we sit on the bench picking his nose. When are these dumbass coaches going to figure it out? Even 6-1 Yeldon would be productive? 

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4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Lee Smith

Patrick DiMarco

Robert Foster

Isaiah McKenzie 

Andre Roberts

Senorise Perry

.....all these 6 get activated and they produce nothing to this offense. Yet we have a capable 6-3 redzone threat we sit on the bench picking his nose. When are these dumbass coaches going to figure it out? Even 6-1 Yeldon would be productive? 

Yes Redzone needs to start being a thought. Size is an issue at times.

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7 minutes ago, Steptide said:

You are correct, Duke is 6'3 and knox is 6'4. Still, the argument for a taller reciever is good one 

I can’t say with a straight face it would hurt to have a bigger guy. But I have said for a few weeks they have Kroft who is no smurf at 6’6,  they paid him big money, and refuse to use him. I can’t see how he is not a weapon for the red zone for them. 

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I’m not going to go crazy over the Duke stuff, but when multiple games in a year have the statement made of “if only we had a bigger receiver in that spot....”, it’s reasonable to wonder why a guy, who’s probably nothing more than depth, but did everything asked of him, and was productive in his playing time, can’t get on the field.  
 

 

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4 hours ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

But...McKenzie is contributing so much!

5 foot nothing....our only 2 receivers are smurfs. Dawson did get open today but Josh only used "trajectory" once on 3 tries to him. McStubborn continues to keep Duke in jail. Brilliant 

21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

When Duke goes 12--140 and 2 TDs vs the Jets it's going to be so lit in here.  

Don't laugh,  he probably will. 

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On 12/21/2019 at 9:47 PM, Big Blitz said:

When Duke goes 12--140 and 2 TDs vs the Jets it's going to be so lit in here.  


Great. Then we’ll be starting Barkley in the wild card game.

 

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On 12/21/2019 at 11:47 PM, Big Blitz said:

When Duke goes 12--140 and 2 TDs vs the Jets it's going to be so lit in here.  

This isn't totally out of the question. Assuming brown and beasley don't play, Duke may be the only reliable reciever out there. Whatd be interesting to see is if knox, croft and Williams all play, how much size makes a difference. Those are three large recievers and I'll be interested to see how much red zone efficiency changes with them. 

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On 12/21/2019 at 11:47 PM, Big Blitz said:

When Duke goes 12--140 and 2 TDs vs the Jets it's going to be so lit in here.  

Especially with Barkley throwing for...wait for it...300 YDS. Yeldon's gonna rush for 150 yds and now we have to play all 3. 

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Duke wasn't even the best receiver on his cfl team. 101 incomplete passes to him in his 2 years in Canada. 101! That's a lot of passes left on the field.

All we have his a cfl highlight clip of Duke. His teammate has 1 too. Has a lower incomplete % too. 132 attempts to him in 2017 and only 32 incomplete.

Duke had 37 incomplete in only 83 attempts! Duke then had 64 incomplete in 2018. Maybe we signed the wrong guy.

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27 minutes ago, BuffaloBill963 said:

Wellp you missed the point 

Nope got, it. You missed mine.

Ryan has thrown 110 more passes than Josh and Jones/Ridley have 155 rec for 13 tds. 

Brown/Beasley have 139 rec for 12 tds 

And the falcons are 6-9. 

110 more passes by Josh and the short guys are right there with them, if not past them. 

 

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On 12/21/2019 at 8:52 PM, HappyDays said:

Agreed, watching Beasley try to go up for the game tying TD was comical. The defender had a good 2 inches on him. We don't have any receivers that can go vertical and steal the catch. In crunch time you need a player like that.

It wouldn't have mattered how tall someone was on that throw they weren't going to steal a catch. The ball was under thrown to the end zone because Allen had to throw off his back foot because the line fell apart. Beasley actually jumped higher than the defender and got a hand on the ball. But no one was making that catch with how good of a position the defender had. 

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On 12/21/2019 at 7:59 PM, MDH said:

Easier to blame the coaches than the players we love.

 

So many opportunities in this game and the players failed on both sides of the ball.


This is a really important point. Any coach will tell his players, if you can get your hands on it you better catch it. A ball hits Beasley on the hands, and he drops it. Another hits him in the arm pit, and he drops it. Yet another is “too high”, but it glances off his hands. 
 

Hands receivers are more important than size at this point. If a guy catches with his hands, he’s using his body to get his hands in front of the defender. 
 

Josh Allen needs guys that can catch.

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