Joe B All-22 vs Steelers - Cody Ford has best game at RT

[YoloinOhio]

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Against Pittsburgh, though, Ford had his best game of the season and flashed some potential as a one-on-one blocker on the edge.This game was also his most impressive as a pass blocker — mainly because he was up against the Steelers’ T.J. Watt.The video above shows some of Ford’s isolated situations with Watt (the Bills did give their rookie right tackle help a lot of the time). While it still makes more sense, given his strengths and skill set, to move Ford inside to guard next season, a performance like this does make you wonder. We know at this point Ford is an accomplished run-blocker regardless of the position he plays. And if he continues to play well as a pass blocker, there could be some hope for Ford at right tackle yet.

 

also

-Ed Oliver continues to dominate another good OL

-darryl Johnson and Vincent Taylor play well enough to earn more PT

-Allen’s processing speed against An aggressive D was back to early season levels (a good thing) 

- Levi Wallace didn’t show he’s a dependable starter

https://theathletic.com/1465285/2019/12/17/bills-all-22-review-josh-allen-does-the-little-things-and-cody-ford-has-his-best-game-of-the-season/

Allen processing speed improvement post-Ravens:

One glance at Allen’s traditional stat line against Pittsburgh might be underwhelming. Reviewing the film and watching Allen’s decisiveness and ball placement revealed a bit more. Allen was confident, he didn’t allow the Steelers to do what they wanted defensively and his execution of the game plan removed the ball-hawking Minkah Fitzpatrick from the game. On some of his more significant pass plays, Allen’s eyes moved Fitzpatrick away from his real target. We all remember the post-Renegade deep ball to John Brown –Fitzpatrick would have been there had Allen not given a long look right at the beginning of the play. Similarly on the Tyler Kroft touchdown, Allen froze safety Terrell Edmunds in place by looking left before going to his real read on the right and firing a dart for the go-ahead score.

These, along with the pre-snap modifications and quickened processing time post-snap, are next-level quarterbacking improvements

Edited December 17, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[billsfan89]

I am starting to think that RT is less of an off-season need but that CB2 opposite White is becoming more of a need. 

[Saint Doug]

7 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I am starting to think that RT is less of an off-season need but that CB2 opposite White is becoming more of a need. 

 

As in round 1 need?

[mykidsdad]

If we keep playing well we might make the playoffs!

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, Saint Doug said:

 

As in round 1 need?

I'm thinking free agent or round 2ish. As always, free agency will dictate how the draft goes for the most part.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

I am starting to think that RT is less of an off-season need but that CB2 opposite White is becoming more of a need. 

It’s a need because as soon as Tre went down on Sunday night the reality of having Kevin Johnson and then no one was sobering. Taron Johnson can’t play outside and Levi is a good but limited player. Siran Neal can play corner in a pinch but I wouldn’t want him out there 1:1 with starting nfl WR. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one drafted high. 

[BillsfaninSB]

I keep saying offense offense offense when it comes to the high rounds of the draft but if Sean wants a CB in round one or two I will keep quiet now.  They earned my respect to select the right talent.

[HappyDays]

Kind of surprised he rated Allen as his 3rd best player.

 

There are some really good gifs in the article showing Oliver and Ford dominating. If you don't have am Athletic subscription yet, trust me it's worth it.

[Bangarang]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I am starting to think that RT is less of an off-season need but that CB2 opposite White is becoming more of a need. 

Ford has been a liability at RT just about the entire year. If Spain does not get re-signed then I think Ford will probably replace him at LG for next season.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

3 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

 

As in round 1 need?

Possibly.  Depends a lot on free agency activity.

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Ford has been a liability at RT just about the entire year. If Spain does not get re-signed then I think Ford will probably replace him at LG for next season.

He’s been quite solid the second half of the season so far. Might not be a coincidence that when Nsekhe went down Ford has stepped up. 

[Nuncha]

14 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

He’s been quite solid the second half of the season so far. Might not be a coincidence that when Nsekhe went down Ford has stepped up. 

Playing the position full time since Nsekhe went down has certainly helped him.  He did a really nice job in the Pittsburgh game.

[Penfield45]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I am starting to think that RT is less of an off-season need but that CB2 opposite White is becoming more of a need. 

 

its not that big of a need. there are about  3-4 other positions on offense that take priority over CB2. I'd rather draft a DE than another CB. Kevin Johnson is young and can develop into a solid #2 CB. 

 

We need 2 new WR's, a new TE to compete with Knox next season and a backup RB. skill positions on offense suck 

Edited December 18, 2019 by Penfield45

[TigerJ]

3 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

 

As in round 1 need?

A lot of that will depend on free agency and the way the first round of the draft falls for Buffalo picking so late.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, TigerJ said:

A lot of that will depend on free agency and the way the first round of the draft falls for Buffalo picking so late.

It’s a very deep WR draft, which helps 

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

 

As in round 1 need?

We could go WR, CB or DE in Round one.    Wee need Round 1 talent at those positions

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Ford has been a liability at RT just about the entire year. If Spain does not get re-signed then I think Ford will probably replace him at LG for next season.

It is unfortunate that rookies never get better.

[sven233]

13 minutes ago, ganesh said:

We could go WR, CB or DE in Round one.    Wee need Round 1 talent at those positions

 

Yup.....  As it stands right now, and I know some aren't going to like it because we have done it a lot, but I am taking the best CB available in round 1.  The WR position is VERY deep in the draft this year and I would look at taking one in the 2nd and possibly even the 3rd round as well.  I would use our $90+ million in FA to get pass rush help.

 

With the way the NFL game has gone, I honestly believe it is better to have elite talent at CB and that will allow some average to above average talent in the front 7 to get to the QB because you could blitz constantly with 2 lockdown CBs.  I mean, just imagine right now if we would have paid Gilmore and still drafted White where this defense would be.  It would almost be impossible to score against us.  So, yeah, even though we have done it a lot, I would love getting another elite CB in round 1 as of right now.

[billsfan89]

On 12/17/2019 at 7:27 PM, Penfield45 said:

 

its not that big of a need. there are about  3-4 other positions on offense that take priority over CB2. I'd rather draft a DE than another CB. Kevin Johnson is young and can develop into a solid #2 CB. 

 

We need 2 new WR's, a new TE to compete with Knox next season and a backup RB. skill positions on offense suck 

 

I don't think this team need 2 new WR's. Brown as a high end #2 and Beasley in the slot are good. I think they need one more starter, there might be a depth need but not sure they need to put major resources to add a 4th WR. As far as the ranking of this team's needs if they are able to resign Spain, Shaq, and Phillips I would put DE and WR as the top two needs. Now I think they can find a top DE in free agency (while still being able to retain the team's major free agents and sign other players to extensions.) 

 

I think then you can draft a WR in round 1 and a CB in round 2. Just my two cents. 

[Bangarang]

On 12/17/2019 at 10:57 PM, Just Joshin' said:

It is unfortunate that rookies never get better.

Putting him in a position where he could better succeed is a dumb idea anyways.

[Punching Bag]

On 12/17/2019 at 6:41 PM, billsfan89 said:

I am starting to think that RT is less of an off-season need but that CB2 opposite White is becoming more of a need. 

 

On 12/17/2019 at 6:48 PM, Saint Doug said:

As in round 1 need?

 

Bill in NYC would be the expert on this.

[warrior9]

16 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Putting him in a position where he could better succeed is a dumb idea anyways.

Did you also think Dawkins would be a better G?

[Bangarang]

50 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Did you also think Dawkins would be a better G?

I knew he was versatile enough to probably play both. The big difference with Dion is that he played well at LT his rookie year whereas Ford has mostly been a liability.

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I think Ford needs more quickness and agility to play RT. Off the snap he is ok but his footwork is not where it needs to be for a starting RT. I will say that when he locks into a block and gets his hands on a guy's they are done. He is a very good run blocker and he seems like a smart guy. He would make a perfect RG that could also fill in at RT if needed.

[YoloinOhio]

Kudos to Ford... Watt is a “game changer” and DPOY candidate and though he made some plays, he didn’t change that game thanks to him 

 

 

[Doc]

26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Kudos to Ford... Watt is a “game changer” and DPOY candidate and though he made some plays, he didn’t change that game thanks to him 

 

 

 

Pretty impressive on Cody's part, especially being on the road with all that noise.

[Saint Doug]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

Bill in NYC would be the expert on this.

I know. Historically, Bills fans have some sort of strange aversion to drafting a CB in round 1. Sure, it’s not a sexy pick, but Tre White singlehandedly has won us at least 2 games this year. 

[WideNine]

The kid took care of business. One rep at a time, he just has to win one rep at a time and his game will take care of itself.

 

Liked the focus and the determination we saw from this young man. Another big test to keep his QB clean in Gillette.

[Doc Brown]

9 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

I know. Historically, Bills fans have some sort of strange aversion to drafting a CB in round 1. Sure, it’s not a sexy pick, but Tre White singlehandedly has won us at least 2 games this year. 

We didn't have a #1 shut down corner that fit McDermott's scheme at the time when we drafted White though.  We have more pressing needs to address (DE, WR, OLB).  Plus, McDermott/Beane are good at developing CB's so a 3rd and 4th round pick could easily become a reliable #2 CB across from White. 

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Doc Brown

[warrior9]

16 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I knew he was versatile enough to probably play both. The big difference with Dion is that he played well at LT his rookie year whereas Ford has mostly been a liability.

 

Weird, I dont remember some of the most premier pass rushers in the league having much success against him...........

 

It's weird man, I forgot that rookies can't get better.... unfortunately.

Edited December 20, 2019 by warrior9

[Simon]

On 12/17/2019 at 5:54 PM, YoloinOhio said:

 

-Ed Oliver continues to dominate another good OL

 

I'd be curious what they had to say about this matchup if anybody wants to post a little abstract.

I think Ed Oliver has been great this year but I thought he was handled pretty well by David DeCastro last week.

And that's not a shot at Oliver as Decastro is undeniably one of the very best Guards in the NFL.

[Motorin']

It's interesting that they also mention the play of Vincent Taylor. I only him on one play, but holy ***** did he single handedly blowup Pouncey and their attempt to run up the middle. 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'd be curious what they had to say about this matchup if anybody wants to post a little abstract.

I think Ed Oliver has been great this year but I thought he was handled pretty well by David DeCastro last week.

And that's not a shot at Oliver as Decastro is undeniably one of the very best Guards in the NFL.

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Over the last five games, Oliver has a GPA of 3.43, ranking behind only weak-side linebacker Matt Milano (3.47). Oliver is commanding an increasing amount of double teams, he’s beating them to create negative plays for the offense, he’s setting up his teammates for success and he never gives up on a play. All of those attributes were again on display in Pittsburgh, where Oliver put in another dominant performance against a great offensive line.

there is video but I don’t know how to copy. Very true about DeCastro. 

Edited December 20, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Bangarang]

41 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Weird, I dont remember some of the most premier pass rushers in the league having much success against him...........

 

It's weird man, I forgot that rookies can't get better.... unfortunately.

You’re getting strangely defensive over this. Not sure why saying he could make a better guard than tackle is making you feel some kind of way.

[PaattMaann]

On 12/17/2019 at 10:27 PM, Penfield45 said:

 

its not that big of a need. there are about  3-4 other positions on offense that take priority over CB2. I'd rather draft a DE than another CB. Kevin Johnson is young and can develop into a solid #2 CB. 

 

We need 2 new WR's, a new TE to compete with Knox next season and a backup RB. skill positions on offense suck 

 

Kevin johnson will be 28 next football season, in his 6th season. He doesnt need to "develop", hes a former first rounder, his issues have been health. He is pretty good, but not someone I want to have to rely on. He is also a free agent. Even if he does resign and start I would want another CB. Not saying it has to be a high draft pick, but I guarantee we add to the CB room. 

[warrior9]

8 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

You’re getting strangely defensive over this. Not sure why saying he could make a better guard than tackle is making you feel some kind of way.

No, I'm not getting defensive. We have a 10-4 record and have a solid offensive line with a rookie that has progressed tremendously as a raw talent throughout the year and we want to move him. Some people are wanting to move Feliciano and/or let Spain walk to move Ford to G. That's just not needed. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

18 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Kevin johnson will be 28 next football season, in his 6th season. He doesnt need to "develop", hes a former first rounder, his issues have been health. He is pretty good, but not someone I want to have to rely on. He is also a free agent. Even if he does resign and start I would want another CB. Not saying it has to be a high draft pick, but I guarantee we add to the CB room. 

Agreed with Johnson. I also feel like McDermott has shown he is a great secondary coach. Johnson is what Johnson is. 
I agree with everyone that the Bills need high end talent at CB, DE, and WR. I have zero doubt Beane and McDermott will have a plan after the season to address every area of need. 

[Bangarang]

13 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

No, I'm not getting defensive. We have a 10-4 record and have a solid offensive line with a rookie that has progressed tremendously as a raw talent throughout the year and we want to move him. Some people are wanting to move Feliciano and/or let Spain walk to move Ford to G. That's just not needed. 

Spain is a free agent after the season so if he signs elsewhere then it only makes sense that Ford is a potential replacement. 
 

Do you seriously think that this coaching staff would be giving Nsekhe so much playing time if they were happy with how Ford was playing? 
 

Potentially being a better guard than tackle isn’t a knock on Ford. If anything, it could help make this line go from solid to really good.

[PaattMaann]

8 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Spain is a free agent after the season so if he signs elsewhere then it only makes sense that Ford is a potential replacement. 
 

Do you seriously think that this coaching staff would be giving Nsekhe so much playing time if they were happy with how Ford was playing? 
 

Potentially being a better guard than tackle isn’t a knock on Ford. If anything, it could help make this line go from solid to really good.

 

I think they will make a fair offer to Spain, and if he walks, turn the reigns over to Ford. Nsekhe is starting RT with Waddle his backup, maybe add another tackle for competition. If anything, Ford offers very good flexibility to play guard or tackle. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

It's interesting that they also mention the play of Vincent Taylor. I only him on one play, but holy ***** did he single handedly blowup Pouncey and their attempt to run up the middle. 

I think Taylor allows them to let Phillips walk if he demands too much money, or if they think his excellent season is a product of the system or a contract year.