Improving the O right now.

[peterpan]

Obviously our O is suspect.  There's a lot to be addressed this off-season, but what can we do right now to get better????  Here are some of my ideas. 

 

Bench Gore.  He is just too slow.  This has been a long season for him, and he doesn't have the burst he had in week 1.  Give Yeldon a shot.  He is fresh.  Gore could potentially come back during the playoffs if he gets some burst back.  

 

Play Kroft more.  Knox has made some high light plays, but mainly I've seen him drop easy passes.  Idk if Kroft is better, but, Beane gave him a big money contract, so I have to think he will be  more reliable. We need some reliability right now. 

 

McKenzie over Beasley, sometimes.  Beasley also has had way too many drops.  McKenzie is quick too and may be more reliable at this moment.  Beasley is in a slump.  

 

Activate Duke!!! Duke has reliable hands and can compete for jump balls.  That is something this offense desperately needs!!!  Andre Roberts does not justify a roster spot for being a kick returner, and Lee Smith doesn't either, for his role. Activate Duke Williams!!! He would be drawing the dime CB while on the field.  Get him singled up 1v1 and throw him the ball!!!  Duke could have a big impact on hot reads too, when facing an all out blitz, ala Baltimore.  I personally think DW would have caught that 4th down pass v Baltimore, if he was in that position.  

 

Bench Ford.  Hopefully Nseke is healthy soon, and can start.  Ford has been the weak spot on the OL.   I think Nseke, being a veteran, will offer a lot in a post season push.  

 

Any other ideas???

 

 

 

 

[die hard bills fan]

8 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Activate Duke!!! Duke has reliable hands and can compete for jump balls.  That is something this offense desperately needs!!!  Andre Roberts does not justify a roster spot for being a kick returner, and Lee Smith doesn't either, for his role. Activate Duke Williams!!! He would be drawing the dime CB while on the field.  Get him singled up 1v1 and throw him the ball!!!  Duke could have a big impact on hot reads too, when facing an all out blitz, ala Baltimore.  I personally think DW would have caught that 4th down pass v Baltimore, if he was in that position.  

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[Doc]

Bench Ford for whom, if Nsekhe still isn't healthy?  I would like to see Bates but I figure they would have done it by now.

 

And they need to play Yeldon.  Let him run and more importantly catch the ball.  Even split him out wide at times.

[Lofton80]

Bench Ford? He has played great the last 3 weeks.

[JoPoy88]

Hey it’s another cleverly disguised Duke thread

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Obviously our O is suspect.  There's a lot to be addressed this off-season, but what can we do right now to get better????  Here are some of my ideas. 

 

Bench Gore.  He is just too slow.  This has been a long season for him, and he doesn't have the burst he had in week 1.  Give Yeldon a shot.  He is fresh.  Gore could potentially come back during the playoffs if he gets some burst back.  

 

Play Kroft more.  Knox has made some high light plays, but mainly I've seen him drop easy passes.  Idk if Kroft is better, but, Beane gave him a big money contract, so I have to think he will be  more reliable. We need some reliability right now. 

 

McKenzie over Beasley, sometimes.  Beasley also has had way too many drops.  McKenzie is quick too and may be more reliable at this moment.  Beasley is in a slump.  

 

Activate Duke!!! Duke has reliable hands and can compete for jump balls.  That is something this offense desperately needs!!!  Andre Roberts does not justify a roster spot for being a kick returner, and Lee Smith doesn't either, for his role. Activate Duke Williams!!! He would be drawing the dime CB while on the field.  Get him singled up 1v1 and throw him the ball!!!  Duke could have a big impact on hot reads too, when facing an all out blitz, ala Baltimore.  I personally think DW would have caught that 4th down pass v Baltimore, if he was in that position.  

 

Bench Ford.  Hopefully Nseke is healthy soon, and can start.  Ford has been the weak spot on the OL.   I think Nseke, being a veteran, will offer a lot in a post season push.  

 

Any other ideas???

 

 

 

 

 

I'm expecting Gore to get the Jets game off and Yeldon to be active.

Kroft will get more looks.  I also expect him going to camp next year.

Beasley seems to have issues when he isn't getting enough throws his way.  Let's see Saturday.

I leave the Duke/Foster thing to McDermott and Daboll.  Maybe Foster can snag a few more long balls.

Ty still isn't 100%, when he is I expect them to go back to splitting reps.  I'm not saying it's correct (I really don't know) but it's

     probably going to be that way.

 

Now that the Bills have clinched 5th seed it will be interesting if the O changes some.

First half of NE game will probably go as usual.  2nd half depending on score who knows.

Jets game could be wide open.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

You lost me at “bench Ford.”  Luckily it was at the end of your post.  Just stop with this nonsense.  The rook has more than held his own against some of the best pass rushers in the league over the past few weeks.  He’s getting better and better.  

[Don Otreply]

Actually playing Duke Williams, ya know, like actually throwing the ball to him, rotate him in the slot with Beasley, Yeldon over Gore, more Kroft, oh and no more out smarting yourself play calling crap in the red zone Brian.... ?

 

Go Bills!!!

[Happy]

Have someone other than Daboll call the plays; a lot will get fixed with this alone.

[Don Otreply]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm expecting Gore to get the Jets game off and Yeldon to be active.

Kroft will get more looks.  I also expect him going to camp next year.

Beasley seems to have issues when he isn't getting enough throws his way.  Let's see Saturday.

I leave the Duke/Foster thing to McDermott and Daboll.  Maybe Foster can snag a few more long balls.

Ty still isn't 100%, when he is I expect them to go back to splitting reps.  I'm not saying it's correct (I really don't know) but it's

     probably going to be that way.

 

Now that the Bills have clinched 5th seed it will be interesting if the O changes some.

First half of NE game will probably go as usual.  2nd half depending on score who knows.

Jets game could be wide open.

I read that we have clinched a playoff spot, not specifically the 5th seed, don’t know if that’s correct or not. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[RyanC883]

I'd keep Ford, he's been great last 3 weeks or so.  

 

I would activate and play DW, play Yeldon, esp. splitting him out wide and make 2 back sets with him and Singletary to confuse D's.  I'd keep Gore active, I think they use him for pass blocking, and he's good for a 4 yard tough run.  

 

I'd actually get Knox more involved.  Yeah, he dropped some balls, but everyone has a slump, and he's a rookie.  He had one target, for a first down, against PGH.  I'd like to see more sets with him and Kroft.  We need to be able to neturalitize other teams blitzing, esp. playoff teams, with quick strikes to TE's, Beasley, Motor, Yeldon, and Brown.   This, of course, comes down to Daboll realizing what he has and making the correct play calls.  

 

 

Edited December 17, 2019 by RyanC883

[Don Otreply]

7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Hey it’s another cleverly disguised Duke thread

Excellent contribution... any suggestions? Thoughts? No? Kinda thought so... ?? nuthin but Luv there fellow Bills fan.

 

Go Bills!!!

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I read that we have clinched a playoff spot, not specifically the 5th seed, don’t know if that’s correct or not. 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

It's clinched as the 5th seed at worse.  Bills have beat both the Steelers and Titans.

[TPS]

I sure hope McD reads this thread so he can make the necessary changes to improve the O....

[MAJBobby]

Ahhh Duke Williams. The slow WR that can’t separate that Bills fans fall in love with. After this year he will be added to all the other PS Gems we have had over the years. 

[ProcessAccepted]

35 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Obviously our O is suspect.  There's a lot to be addressed this off-season, but what can we do right now to get better????  Here are some of my ideas. 

 

Bench Gore.  

 

Play Kroft more. 

 

McKenzie over Beasley, sometimes. 

 

Activate Duke!!!

 

Bench Ford. 

 

Any other ideas???

I took out all the banter and left your suggestions. This sounds too much like sit Flutie and try Johnson to me. Stick with the guys that got you to the dance. We're a work in progress and it takes time and repetition and experience, especially meaningful December and Janyuary football. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

3 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

I took out all the banter and left your suggestions. This sounds too much like sit Flutie and try Johnson to me. Stick with the guys that got you to the dance. We're a work in progress and it takes time and repetition and experience, especially meaningful December and Janyuary football. 

Bench Ford?

 

 

 

[Bookie Man]

Whatever happened to McKenzie on those jet sweeps? Higher chance of getting a chunk play. If not, usually still good for 2 or 3 yards. It also becomes good eye candy after a few gives. The inches we need are all around us!

[ProcessAccepted]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Bench Ford?

 

 

 

Those were the other dudes suggestions. My opinion is leave the team alone. Ford is doing great which is proof that you have to let the guys settle in and get experience.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Those were the other dudes suggestions. My opinion is leave the team alone. Ford is doing great which is proof that you have to let the guys settle in and get experience.

It was a poor attempt at humor on my part. Should have said Bench Allen?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

45 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Obviously our O is suspect.  There's a lot to be addressed this off-season, but what can we do right now to get better????  Here are some of my ideas. 

 

Bench Gore.  He is just too slow.  This has been a long season for him, and he doesn't have the burst he had in week 1.  Give Yeldon a shot.  He is fresh.  Gore could potentially come back during the playoffs if he gets some burst back.  

 

Play Kroft more.  Knox has made some high light plays, but mainly I've seen him drop easy passes.  Idk if Kroft is better, but, Beane gave him a big money contract, so I have to think he will be  more reliable. We need some reliability right now. 

 

McKenzie over Beasley, sometimes.  Beasley also has had way too many drops.  McKenzie is quick too and may be more reliable at this moment.  Beasley is in a slump.  

 

Activate Duke!!! Duke has reliable hands and can compete for jump balls.  That is something this offense desperately needs!!!  Andre Roberts does not justify a roster spot for being a kick returner, and Lee Smith doesn't either, for his role. Activate Duke Williams!!! He would be drawing the dime CB while on the field.  Get him singled up 1v1 and throw him the ball!!!  Duke could have a big impact on hot reads too, when facing an all out blitz, ala Baltimore.  I personally think DW would have caught that 4th down pass v Baltimore, if he was in that position.  

 

Bench Ford.  Hopefully Nseke is healthy soon, and can start.  Ford has been the weak spot on the OL.   I think Nseke, being a veteran, will offer a lot in a post season push.  

 

Any other ideas???

 

 

 

 

 

LOL so you activated two guys, but didn't see who you're taking off the field.  

 

Ford being benched isn't happening, nor does it warrant happening.  Ford is more than holding his own against some top defensive teams.  Who's to say Ty would have even done any  better the past few weeks.

 

Can activate Williams, but doubt they throw him the ball as they barely involve the #4 or #5 WR now.

[rayray808]

Start off games like we did week one vs the Jets - lets Josh Allen spray the field with quick passes

[atlbillsfan1975]

 Not too bad OP. 
I like Yeldon over Gore. Use Yeldon as a third down back.

Kroft is hitting his stride after missing a ton of the season. When healthy is he the best TE on the team this year.

I disagreed about Ford, he wasn’t a top 10 pick, he needs time to adjust and he is getting better. Plus with Nsekhe’s ankle injury I doubt anyone is better at RT on the roster. When Nsekhe comes back he will need to rotate like he has with Ford. 

[aristocrat]

they worked out alex collins last week they should sign him if they dont like yeldon. he'd be a hammer back there. 

[ngbills]

41 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Hey it’s another cleverly disguised Duke thread

My thoughts exactly

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Ahhh Duke Williams. The slow WR that can’t separate that Bills fans fall in love with. After this year he will be added to all the other PS Gems we have had over the years. 

Depsite only being active 3 games, he has out produced Foster and got great separation on a game winning TD.  
 

So he’s helped us win a game despite only being active for 3.  Foster and Roberts have not.  
 

So it’s pretty silly to knock the idea of having him active over guys doing LESS than what he’s done in very limited opportunities.

 

Duke doesn’t need to get 8 rec for 120 yards to have value.  It’s indisputable he’s big and has great hands.  Our top 3 WRS average 5’10” and 180 pounds.  It’s unquestionable adding a big target with sure hands would have value in key 3rd down situations, goal line scenarios, red zone opportunities, etc over guys who are not producing each week like Foster or Roberts. 
 

Not to mention Duke is a way better blocker than those other 2 are too.

 

Issue to me seems to be Daboll likes gadget plays and the other guys fit that mold more and I think it’s his stubborn commitment to that style that keeps Duke inactive on game days lately in favor of speedy guys.

 

 

Edited December 17, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

Obviously our O is suspect.  There's a lot to be addressed this off-season, but what can we do right now to get better????  Here are some of my ideas. 

 

Bench Gore.  He is just too slow.  This has been a long season for him, and he doesn't have the burst he had in week 1.  Give Yeldon a shot.  He is fresh.  Gore could potentially come back during the playoffs if he gets some burst back.  

 

Play Kroft more.  Knox has made some high light plays, but mainly I've seen him drop easy passes.  Idk if Kroft is better, but, Beane gave him a big money contract, so I have to think he will be  more reliable. We need some reliability right now. 

 

McKenzie over Beasley, sometimes.  Beasley also has had way too many drops.  McKenzie is quick too and may be more reliable at this moment.  Beasley is in a slump.  

 

Activate Duke!!! Duke has reliable hands and can compete for jump balls.  That is something this offense desperately needs!!!  Andre Roberts does not justify a roster spot for being a kick returner, and Lee Smith doesn't either, for his role. Activate Duke Williams!!! He would be drawing the dime CB while on the field.  Get him singled up 1v1 and throw him the ball!!!  Duke could have a big impact on hot reads too, when facing an all out blitz, ala Baltimore.  I personally think DW would have caught that 4th down pass v Baltimore, if he was in that position.  

 

Bench Ford.  Hopefully Nseke is healthy soon, and can start.  Ford has been the weak spot on the OL.   I think Nseke, being a veteran, will offer a lot in a post season push.  

 

Any other ideas???

 

 

 

 

Beasley in a slump after catching TDs in 6 of the last 9 games.  He drops some passes. Oh well.  He’s our slot wr for the next 2-3 years.  Get used to it.  Mckenzie is already playing lots of snaps currently 

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

Obviously our O is suspect.  There's a lot to be addressed this off-season, but what can we do right now to get better????  Here are some of my ideas. 

 

Bench Gore.  He is just too slow.  This has been a long season for him, and he doesn't have the burst he had in week 1.  Give Yeldon a shot.  He is fresh.  Gore could potentially come back during the playoffs if he gets some burst back.  

 

Play Kroft more.  Knox has made some high light plays, but mainly I've seen him drop easy passes.  Idk if Kroft is better, but, Beane gave him a big money contract, so I have to think he will be  more reliable. We need some reliability right now. 

 

McKenzie over Beasley, sometimes.  Beasley also has had way too many drops.  McKenzie is quick too and may be more reliable at this moment.  Beasley is in a slump.  

 

Activate Duke!!! Duke has reliable hands and can compete for jump balls.  That is something this offense desperately needs!!!  Andre Roberts does not justify a roster spot for being a kick returner, and Lee Smith doesn't either, for his role. Activate Duke Williams!!! He would be drawing the dime CB while on the field.  Get him singled up 1v1 and throw him the ball!!!  Duke could have a big impact on hot reads too, when facing an all out blitz, ala Baltimore.  I personally think DW would have caught that 4th down pass v Baltimore, if he was in that position.  

 

Bench Ford.  Hopefully Nseke is healthy soon, and can start.  Ford has been the weak spot on the OL.   I think Nseke, being a veteran, will offer a lot in a post season push.  

 

Any other ideas???

 

 

 

 

Gore is the short yardage back that wont fumble. He should be used only in those situations. 

 

Kroft more - not in place of Know. But in two TE sets.

 

No McK over Beasley.

 

No Duke. If week 17 is meaningless he will start and catch 15 passes for 265 yards and 3 TD's. Then we get a million post saying why is he not playing, start him in the playoffs, etc.

 

Ford - Plays unless Nsehke is healthy to go. 

 

[Doc]

I'd play Duke for EZ jump balls. 

[BringBackOrton]

Activate Dezmin Lewis!

[The Tomcat]

Best way to improve our O is to run Frank Gore up the middle.

[shoretalk]

42 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Hey it’s another cleverly disguised Duke thread

Exactly … I like Duke and I like Foster but I don't think either would be used and Foster is playing well on ST.

 

Cody has been playing better so while TY is out it makes no sense to blow the kid's confidence (I don't recall Josh being sacked repeatedly on Sunday from Ford's side of the line and he was playing a premier edge rusher.).

 

Bench Beasley after one bad game?  

 

As for the tight ends; Kroft is a mystery and Knox has shown incredible potential (Remember he was not thrown to a lot in college.) but they position does not seem to have a role in BD's offensive game planning.  I would love to see a double tight end scheme with Knox and Kroft both going out 5-10 yards but then again I don't spend 23 hours a day putting together a game plan.

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

Obviously our O is suspect.  There's a lot to be addressed this off-season, but what can we do right now to get better????  Here are some of my ideas. 

 

Bench Gore.  He is just too slow.  This has been a long season for him, and he doesn't have the burst he had in week 1.  Give Yeldon a shot.  He is fresh.  Gore could potentially come back during the playoffs if he gets some burst back.  

 

Play Kroft more.  Knox has made some high light plays, but mainly I've seen him drop easy passes.  Idk if Kroft is better, but, Beane gave him a big money contract, so I have to think he will be  more reliable. We need some reliability right now. 

 

McKenzie over Beasley, sometimes.  Beasley also has had way too many drops.  McKenzie is quick too and may be more reliable at this moment.  Beasley is in a slump.  

 

Activate Duke!!! Duke has reliable hands and can compete for jump balls.  That is something this offense desperately needs!!!  Andre Roberts does not justify a roster spot for being a kick returner, and Lee Smith doesn't either, for his role. Activate Duke Williams!!! He would be drawing the dime CB while on the field.  Get him singled up 1v1 and throw him the ball!!!  Duke could have a big impact on hot reads too, when facing an all out blitz, ala Baltimore.  I personally think DW would have caught that 4th down pass v Baltimore, if he was in that position.  

 

Bench Ford.  Hopefully Nseke is healthy soon, and can start.  Ford has been the weak spot on the OL.   I think Nseke, being a veteran, will offer a lot in a post season push.  

 

Any other ideas???

 

 

 

 

Two weeks ago, Beasley had a career game against Dallas. Let’s try to stay focused.

[Don Otreply]

Why fans here prioritize STs play over an offense that has trouble scoring frankly make no sense, regardless of nonsense they have been trained to say.

 

Go Bills!!!

[Wayne Arnold]

Hurry-up offense. Treat every possession like it’s late in the 4th in a tie game. Let Josh play with his nuts out.

[buffalojedwardo]

36 minutes ago, NC Book said:

Whatever happened to McKenzie on those jet sweeps? Higher chance of getting a chunk play. If not, usually still good for 2 or 3 yards. It also becomes good eye candy after a few gives. The inches we need are all around us!

my biggest question as well...not like it hasn't been working 

[Buffalo Junction]

4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Why fans here prioritize STs play over an offense that has trouble scoring frankly make no sense, regardless of nonsense they have been trained to say.

 

Go Bills!!!

I’m of the opinion that Foster can run the majority of the McKenzie gadget plays. 

[Don Otreply]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I’m of the opinion that Foster can run the majority of the McKenzie gadget plays. 

And you would be right,

 

Go Bills!!!

[MAJBobby]

37 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Depsite only being active 3 games, he has out produced Foster and got great separation on a game winning TD.  
 

So he’s helped us win a game despite only being active for 3.  Foster and Roberts have not.  
 

So it’s pretty silly to knock the idea of having him active over guys doing LESS than what he’s done in very limited opportunities.

 

Duke doesn’t need to get 8 rec for 120 yards to have value.  It’s indisputable he’s big and has great hands.  Our top 3 WRS average 5’10” and 180 pounds.  It’s unquestionable adding a big target with sure hands would have value in key 3rd down situations, goal line scenarios, red zone opportunities, etc over guys who are not producing each week like Foster or Roberts. 
 

Not to mention Duke is a way better blocker than those other 2 are too.

 

Issue to me seems to be Daboll likes gadget plays and the other guys fit that mold more and I think it’s his stubborn commitment to that style that keeps Duke inactive on game days lately in favor of speedy guys.

 

 

and doesn’t play ST does he. Foster and Roberts do. Just like you need from your WR 5 and WR6 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Excellent contribution... any suggestions? Thoughts? No? Kinda thought so... ?? nuthin but Luv there fellow Bills fan.

 

Go Bills!!!

Sure thing smart guy: my suggestion is to not needlessly tinker with the active roster on a 10-4 playoff team and start altering gameplans to involve marginalia that have barely played. That good enough for you chief?