mjt328 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, warrior9 said: Fans and Players: We need to protect QB's more NFL: Low hits on the QB in the pocket are a penalty NFL: High hits on the QB are a penalty (I think these are called and enforced very well tbh) Now players: When the QB is out of the pocket, they shouldn't hit his legs. wait, what? where do we tackle them? This pretty much says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dneveu said: I mean the purpose of a read option is to make a player decide on you or the back. You're basically blocking them - why can't i hit you under the assumption that i thought you had the ball? Lol.. you can, and people should. That style of offense needs to be attacked. Sitting back on your heels is where you get gashed. On Milanos whiff, if he didn’t break down on Lamar’s juke, he had him dead to rights. Attack. As others have said, Earl is FOS. Earl knows it too. He’s just talking, and the media laps it up like stray dogs. Edited December 11, 2019 by Sig1Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 So Earl thinks that hitting Lamar in the thighs should be a penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Because the majority of his highlights are running highlights. His passing highlights are typically 1 read quick shots where the scheme is opening them up. Nothing wrong with that, but he rarely sits back, goes through progressions, and hits tight window throws. He's winning games and is hard to stop so it's good for him and the ravens. But the argument that he's more of a runningback than a quarterback really isn't far from the truth because he's not playing the quarterback position as it has been done traditionally- No problem with changing traditions, but that's where the distinction comes in. In reality labeling him either position is narrow. Just throw an X up there beside his name and enjoy the ***** that he does which few others ever have. It's traditional alright, like Sid Luckman traditional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Luka said: It's traditional alright, like Sid Luckman traditional. Yeah, but as of yet, being able to consistently throw out of the pocket, go through reads, hit passes on every level of the defense, and move the ball efficiently via the air is the only thing that has stuck for the past 40 years. Every running QB who relies as much, or more, on their legs to create as they do their arms has passed by the wayside. Lamar has a chance to truly create a revolution. So far he is, but we'll see how long it goes. I don't know what you meant by your post, but I think that's an appropriate answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Yeah, but as of yet, being able to consistently throw out of the pocket, go through reads, hit passes on every level of the defense, and move the ball efficiently via the air is the only thing that has stuck for the past 40 years. Every running QB who relies as much, or more, on their legs to create as they do their arms has passed by the wayside. Lamar has a chance to truly create a revolution. So far he is, but we'll see how long it goes. I don't know what you meant by your post, but I think that's an appropriate answer. Sid lead the league in passing one year with about 2,000 yards and won the MVP. Before him it was mainly option QBs like Lamar. It was just a crack on how everyone is saying Lamar is revolutionary when in reality he's more like a QB from the prohibition era of football. Edited December 11, 2019 by Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 years as starter in the ACC (38 games) and now nearly 2 years as starter in the NFL (29 games; he played in every game as a rookie). He has never missed a snap due to injury despite rushing for over 5,800 yards. The narrative of "he's destined to get hurt!" really has to stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 The rules in place now are appropriate and adequate. Once he takes off to run, he is and should be treated as a running back, unless he gives himself up in a slide, like any other QB. Otherwise, he's fair game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, TigerJ said: The rules in place now are appropriate and adequate. Once he takes off to run, he is and should be treated as a running back, unless he gives himself up in a slide, like any other QB. Otherwise, he's fair game He's still not going to miss a snap (he's playing tomorrow), but for the first time he's listed as questionable, and the blow to his quad happened on a throwing play (his third TD pass against the Bills). https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/11/lamar-jackson-is-questionable-for-thursday-night/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: Baltimore seems thoroughly happy using, abusing, and losing him. If they win a SB, will it be worth it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, eball said: So is there any particular reason you've chosen Lamar as your "opposing player to defend" this season? Defend.....against what? Bad/poorly thought out/super weak takes? I was super harsh on Jackson (indirectly, as a way to point out Anthony Lynn is a bum) at the beginning of the season. But it’s become obvious I was wrong. He’s a special talent and has beaten the top 3 Defenses. All cane at him. All lost. The obvious never needs “defense”. It just is. You and several others don’t understand the meaning of the word “defend”. Never have 2 hours ago, Mango said: I could be wrong, I think he is more talking about Lamar running the option. Still, if a mobile QB wants to pretend like they either have the ball and are making a throw, or pretend like they are running the ball off tackle, they should be treated as if they actually have the ball. Agreed. I was responding to another poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: If they win a SB, will it be worth it? For them, absolutely. Probably for him as well. I have no problem with it, but his shelf life is like 5 years. In my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, whatdrought said: his shelf life is like 5 years Assuming he continues to progress as a passer, his rushing attempts will naturally decline. I don't think you ever want to take away the threat of running though, he's deadly in the option game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, TheElectricCompany said: Assuming he continues to progress as a passer, his rushing attempts will naturally decline. I don't think you ever want to take away the threat of running though, he's deadly in the option game. Thats what I was saying up thread though. They haven’t done anything to indicate that they want to move away from the heavy run load. They seem happy to get a few years out of him and then move on to the next guy- not sure if that’s their intention or not. But that’s what their actions show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: I've said it before, at 214 LBS he won't last long in the NFL, Baltimore should enjoy him while he is healthy That was the same thinking about a rail thin 211 pound QB who was under 200 pounds part of his senior year in college. Now I know he doesn't run around like Jackson, but he's now in his 20th season. I've learned over the years not to look at a young player and project his NFL longevity, especially using his weight as a guide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: That was the same thinking about a rail thin 211 pound QB who was under 200 pounds part of his senior year in college. Now I know he doesn't run around like Jackson, but he's now in his 20th season. I've learned over the years not to look at a young player and project his NFL longevity, especially using his weight as a guide. That’s not the same thing at all. A pocket passer is, for the most part, going to take less abuse than a running, read option QB. There are exceptions, and injuries happen all over the place (Joe Theisman was in the pocket when Lawrence Taylor ended his career), but running the ball increases the number of hits a QB takes. Besides, if not for the special treatment Marcia gets, between his line being allowed to hold all damn day, and defensive linemen literally being told not to touch him, his career woulda been over 5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 they need to protect him less than what they are doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 You're lucky if you get a hand on Jackson to begin with. He's that fast and evasive. You can't have potential tacklers thinking about how they have to tackle him to avoid a penalty. It would give the quarterback too much of an advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: I've said it before, at 214 LBS he won't last long in the NFL, Baltimore should enjoy him while he is healthy May not be when we see them again if he is hobbling now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 This will all end the same way it did for Vick, Newton and RG3. For now Lamar is the shining exciting new toy for the NFL. But it will not be sustainable. Enjoy this video game while it lasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Buy some extra padding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said: If they win a SB, will it be worth it? The way Jackson is employed is very productive and reckless...we already know how this turns out in the end. Better win now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: I understand completely where he was going with that statement. To this day, he's still viewed more for the damage he can do on the ground versus the air. But your point was to treat him like a running back because he sarcastically sniped it as a response to people who used to call him a running back, after putting up a dazzling quarterback performance, which doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 If he’s running the read option, he should get hit every play, that’s how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 So on this note, Lamar listed as "questionable" on today's practice report http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086864/article/ravens-lamar-jackson-quad-questionable-for-tnf If that's the play BEAUTIFUL textbook clean hit from Jerry Hughes on that play, less than 2 steps after he threw, shoulder into his waist, helmet to the side, and wrapped. Hughes backed off and didn't drive it through and I thought Lamar did a bit of a flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalOhio Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 hours ago, whatdrought said: We'll only do this from now on Earl... I absolutely cannot believe Thomas wasn't suspended for this. He LAUNCHED himself into Rudolph's head. FU Earl Thomas - you've always been a dirty punk - what goes around comes around. Quit crying, hypocrite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I'm in favor going forward until NE is out of the Superbowl running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 What the refs need to do is not show favoritism that they show on a regular basis, like; a warning for late hits on Josh, or not calling a penalty when there are 12 guys in the huddle, etc etc. I agree with a previous post, if LJ wants to do what he is doing that is fine, but there are inherent risks with the decisions to play in that fashion. If he fakes a kneel down or takes chances on a hand off and gets turfed it’s his own teams fault. You reap what you sow... Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Defend.....against what? Bad/poorly thought out/super weak takes? I was super harsh on Jackson (indirectly, as a way to point out Anthony Lynn is a bum) at the beginning of the season. But it’s become obvious I was wrong. He’s a special talent and has beaten the top 3 Defenses. All cane at him. All lost. The obvious never needs “defense”. It just is. You and several others don’t understand the meaning of the word “defend”. Never have Greg Roman is squeezing everything he can out of "one read" Lamar before the bottom falls out. Even a diehard Ravens fan friend of mine calls their situation a "house of cards." He has had a FANTASTIC year so far. The Bills made him look ordinary. Now his teammates are complaining about him being hit. I'll watch this play out, and eat my crow if it doesn't go the way I think it will go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, eball said: Greg Roman is squeezing everything he can out of "one read" Lamar before the bottom falls out. Even a diehard Ravens fan friend of mine calls their situation a "house of cards." He has had a FANTASTIC year so far. The Bills made him look ordinary. Now his teammates are complaining about him being hit. I'll watch this play out, and eat my crow if it doesn't go the way I think it will go. 3 TD passes. When was the last time a Bills QB had such an "ordinary" day against a top 3 Defense? Why does every other QB the NFL right now need more than "one read" to throw so many TD passes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Earl must have seen some of Henry Anderson’s work and is trying to protect his QB tomm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 6:29 PM, LABILLBACKER said: This will all end the same way it did for Vick, Newton and RG3. For now Lamar is the shining exciting new toy for the NFL. But it will not be sustainable. Enjoy this video game while it lasts. Oh yeah? How did it end for Vick? He bounced around and retired when he couldn't get on the filed--even after Big Ben was injured and an awful Matt Barkley played behind him. Vick was a bad passer, so he was useless when he couldn't run. Jackson is an order of magnitude better than Vick as a passer. Newton broke his foot as he was sacked scrambling on a pass play. But go on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 To the original topic, someone should point Earl and Lamar to some tape of Cam Newton over the years. Both behind and ahead of the line of scrimmage, Cam has been beaten on repeatedly over the course of his career, so much so, one could argue, that his career has been significantly shortened. He’s been hit everywhere from his head to his ankles, and has received very little protection from the refs. Thems the breaks. Lamar’s style will inevitably cause him to take a lot of punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: To the original topic, someone should point Earl and Lamar to some tape of Cam Newton over the years. Both behind and ahead of the line of scrimmage, Cam has been beaten on repeatedly over the course of his career, so much so, one could argue, that his career has been significantly shortened. He’s been hit everywhere from his head to his ankles, and has received very little protection from the refs. Thems the breaks. Lamar’s style will inevitably cause him to take a lot of punishment. If Edmunds or Milano had commented that referees should protect Josh Allen (currently # 2 in rushing attrempts, #3 in yards and #1 in TDs for QBs) better, I'm going to guess that no one here would argue otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LamarMVP Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 1:46 PM, Plano said: He's a running back who throws it sometimes. Lay the wood on him. You can't fix stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, LamarMVP said: You can't fix stupid welcome ravens fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, LamarMVP said: You can't fix stupid Correct! If you can’t hit him in the head, and you can’t hit him in the legs, are we just supposed to pull his flag? Is there a little bullseye somewhere on the jersey that is acceptable to touch? If the guy is going to run like a RB, expect to get hit like a RB. Heck, Allen gets hit by a guy or two when he slides! Lamar is already in protective bubble wrap compared to what Allen endures. I’m all for the rules, and applying them evenly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, LamarMVP said: You can't fix stupid You sure can't. You're still here aren't you? Sod off, son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If Edmunds or Milano had commented that referees should protect Josh Allen (currently # 2 in rushing attrempts, #3 in yards and #1 in TDs for QBs) better, I'm going to guess that no one here would argue otherwise. Protect Josh from the illegal hits he’s been taking that don’t get called? Yeah most here wouldn’t argue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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