Orlando Tim Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: They are in a tough spot. Any public lynching is a blemish on the entire league and the last 20 years. I think he has to go away somewhat quietly for the sake of the league. The 31 other teams will get the point. As for the Peter King stance, I think he said it has to be adjudicated quick. He used the quote “all’s well that ends”, not necessarily ends well, but it must end. Do NOT let it linger. That doesn’t necessarily mean sweeping it under the rug. Now, might that happen? Of course. But in my mind Belichick needs to go away. I had not thought about the fact that the NFL has a 20 year legacy here to worry about. I am not pretty certain we will see a " protect the shield" kinda situation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Did not read all the post but according to Jason La ? on sports talk in Charlotte there is 8 minutes of tape of the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, eee1776 said: Did not read all the post but according to Jason La ? on sports talk in Charlotte there is 8 minutes of tape of the sidelines. Welcome to the thread lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: That's for sure. This is the thing that should set the precedent, though. Kraft isn't going to magically change his ways. Now is the time. cripes, you can do ANYTHING as a pro sports owner, except make racist comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The ONLY reason I want to hear ANYTHING from Belichick at this point is just so they can trap him in his own lies. I have ZERO reason to believe anything that comes out of his mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: They are in a tough spot. Any public lynching is a blemish on the entire league and the last 20 years. I think he has to go away somewhat quietly for the sake of the league. The 31 other teams will get the point. As for the Peter King stance, I think he said it has to be adjudicated quick. He used the quote “all’s well that ends”, not necessarily ends well, but it must end. Do NOT let it linger. That doesn’t necessarily mean sweeping it under the rug. Now, might that happen? Of course. But in my mind Belichick needs to go away. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, peterpan said: There has to be some type of court case someone could file, and be able to subpoena and dispose Goodell and others regarding the cheating. Get it all exposed that way. How epic that would be. Gamblers alleging fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, CLTbills said: What Pats employee was being filmed? They filmed the scout. However, it's been stated that the interview and filming of the scout was already finished before the start of the game. So why were they still taping once the game started? And of all things, the field? Edited December 10, 2019 by Herc11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Herc11 said: They filmed the scout. However, it's been stated that the interview and filmingnod the scout was already finished before the start of the game. So why were they still taping once the game started? And of all things, the field? Bc they cheat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: Bc they cheat I know this... it was rhetorical ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Edited December 11, 2019 by Reed83HOF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: That you cheated again? At least you are admitting it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: he isn’t wrong. We all know they are cheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 20 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: The optics of this is horrible. Doesn’t even matter what’s on the tape. When you’re already a multiple time criminal, nobody is gonna believe you. I am sure they bribe their parole officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, dubs said: Wow. They just refuse to not cheat. Incredible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m afraid to see what’s on the tape if this is a “Robert Kraft” employee. ew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I don’t want HIM deciding what I should know. Period. I don’t need to know everything, but I’ll leave that to someone more trustworthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Not that I'm being cross examined, or anyone even knows who I am as a poster, but reading through my post history would be interesting. You would see a rabidly anti-Patriots poster from my sign up date until about 2017ish. Then you would see someone who grew to appreciate Brady's and Belichick's excellence, and came to assume the cheating accusations were overblown and they should be hailed for what they are--the GOATS. Well, here we go again. Where there's smoke, there's fire. I think in any one case you could say "well, maybe they didn't film the Ram's practice", or "maybe the Colts played with 2 deflated balls too", or "the guy could have filmed it from the stands, why go into the press box" or any other number of excuses that make sense when considered individually, absent everything else that goes into this. From their ridiculous record vs. the spread to the anecdotes of former and current players and coaches... again, where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Maybe your wife really did take a picture with her shirt off to compare to another one taken a year earlier and send it to an online oncologists phone; and maybe she really did lose wifi in her office and need to get a hotel room for an hour to send a report to Toronto; and maybe that really is her friend's brother who answered your call to her last Friday when she was out with the girls--the guy who told you to stop calling because "she's not a married woman tonight!" But I think the problem the NFL has is that overwhelmingly, fans on every comment section are calling for harsh penalties. There's some Patriots homers saying that all those other accusations have been "disproven", but they are roundly shouted down. And I'm starting to think the NFL is getting backed into a corner. They floated a "sanctions are likely to be light" demo tweet earlier and it's getting ripped apart. People want blood. Ironically, I think the Patriots are worse off then they were the previous 2 times they got caught--not because they're repeat repeat offenders, but because they're declining quickly and dramatically. Before, it was believable that it was just "haters" mad at their success--the Rams salty for losing a Super Bowl, the Colts salty for being perpetual playoff whipping boys, the Jets stirring the pot with Rex, etc. But now? Now it's much more (pick one/all: believable, plausible, likely, pathetic, disheartening, etc) that the Patriots cheated to gain an advantage over the hapless Bengals because they CAN'T win on their own merit, and coincidentally, they're playing the bengals this week. Also, here's another aside: as to why the Patriots wouldn't just sit someone in the stands, or wait for the all 22. The act they got caught doing it against the team they're facing this week shows the time sensitive nature of the material.. It would have to be sent directly to the advance scouts who could begin analyzing the data and making a game plan for the next week. A fan in the stands would either have to film for 5-7 minutes of action between commerical breaks, then send that over a wireless network jammed with 80,000 people uploading selfies of their gameday experience to facebook. And while it's sending, ready the next video to send, and the next, and on and on. No doubt they've tried, but I see barriers to entry here, to say nothing of the suspicion from drunk fans around you who would notice you sending videos after every few plays, not of the action, but of the sideline: unmoving shots. OR, get press credentialed, get the wifi password, get a secure connection with employees at Patriot Place, do some witty banter during commercial breaks, and film the sideline unhindered for the rest of the game, with a hidef camera. That info is accessed real time, a gameplan is made, and before Brady is showered and ready for his presser, the defensive scheme is updated and the plays the offense will run is overhauled. Why wait a few days (or even hours) for the all 22? Ok, so sorry for the long digression, but the ultimate point is this: I am coming around to the idea that the Patriots are going to get hit with some force this time. Suspension for Belichick for the remainder of the season seems about right, ala Garret--the last outrage that NFL nation felt needed to be dealt with harshly. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 The patsies deserve the NFL version of the NCAA Death Penalty. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Belicheat - we don’t “knowingly” cross the line ? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28265914/patriots-bill-belichick-denies-involvement-videographer-caught-taping-bengals-sideline Such a ing liar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Seems like something has rubbed him the wrong way...... Edited December 11, 2019 by sven233 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Belicheat - we don’t “knowingly” cross the line ? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28265914/patriots-bill-belichick-denies-involvement-videographer-caught-taping-bengals-sideline Such a ing liar ? I think he is a lawyer- technically since the guy recording is not a direct employee then the Pats* can not be held responsible. This is been his MO since he was a D coordinator for the Giants, ruin the game through technicalities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 16 hours ago, dma0034 said: NFL needs to release tape and suspend Belichick. Belichick needs the Pete Rose treatment including no Canton. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, sven233 said: Seems like something has rubbed him the wrong way...... Something tell me Kraft no get happy ending this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 13 hours ago, entropyrules said: I was discussing with my spousal unit and she quipped its ironic they are called the "Patriots." I am more concerned that this behavior is more a reflection of our current societal thinking where the end justifies the means..lies don't matter as long as they help you get to the result you want. Absolutely. It is symbolic in change of this country where names are cooped and twisted in meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Something tell me Kraft no get happy ending this time. He's a ***** but kind of tugs at your heart strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, eee1776 said: Did not read all the post but according to Jason La ? on sports talk in Charlotte there is 8 minutes of tape of the sidelines. I thought this was a “Favorite BBQ Sauce Recipe” thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: He's a ***** but kind of tugs at your heart strings Yes if by strings you mean the blood vessels which when interfered with cause heart attacks. I understand that the Grinch was modeled him but in cartoon they thought no one would believe five sizes too small so they went with two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I think he is a lawyer- technically since the guy recording is not a direct employee then the Pats* can not be held responsible. This is been his MO since he was a D coordinator for the Giants, ruin the game through technicalities. Yes they can be held responsible. Go back three pages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Brown_(American_football_executive) I could see him being fed up and setup a sabatoge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Yes they can be held responsible. Go back three pages. What is this? Candyland? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Belicheat - we don’t “knowingly” cross the line ? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28265914/patriots-bill-belichick-denies-involvement-videographer-caught-taping-bengals-sideline Such a ing liar ? Right. And we are going to believe that Belichick and his staff make “honest” mistakes. Belichick doesn’t allow for mistakes.......period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Yes they can be held responsible. Go back three pages. I did not mean that he can not be held responsible truly- but that he believes it since he gave himself the layer of insulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Herc11 said: I know this... it was rhetorical ? I know just wanted to remind everyone they cheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 One of our current coaches gets mentioned: Quote Then Specter turned to the alleged videotaping of the Rams' walk-through. Walsh confessed that after the Patriots' team picture, he and at least three other team videographers lingered around the Louisiana Superdome, setting up cameras for the game. Suddenly, the Rams arrived and started their walk-through. The three videographers, in full Patriots apparel, hung around, on the field and in the stands, for 30 minutes. Nobody said anything. Walsh said he observed star Rams running back Marshall Faulk line up in an unusual position: as a kickoff returner. That night, Walsh reported what he had seen to Patriots assistant coach Brian Daboll, who asked an array of questions about the Rams' formations. Walsh said that Daboll, who declined through the Patriots to comment for this story, drew a series of diagrams -- an account Daboll later denied to league investigators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 If they are that shady at away games, what kind of shenanigans do you think they use at home games (bugging locker rooms, turning off opponents headsets, etc...)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, major said: If they are that shady at away games, what kind of shenanigans do you think they use at home games (bugging locker rooms, turning off opponents headsets, etc...)? How awesome would it be to bring in your own NSA quality team and find their little shenanigans, all video recorded and everything. If they are up to these things, pay more for smarter geeks and let it bite them in the arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: I mean seriously? Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 hours ago, peterpan said: Didn't the NFL just push out the Panthers owner? I heard there was some truth to that, albeit behind the scenes True. Forgot about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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