How about MVP Lamar Jackson today?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, InheritedBillsfan said:

Allen will be fine. It's sometimes difficult to keep perspective after an emotional loss. Trust me, I remember the Ravens/Bills game ( I was there in the stands at RW stadium )  back in '13 when Flacco tossed 5 INT's to the Bills defense and was doing his best impersonation of Ryan Leaf. After driving all the way to Orchard Park to see the defending Super Bowl champions get their butts whooped, I was ready to throw Flacco to the wolves. Along with the entire coaching staff, coordinators, and whoever else permitted the game to get out of hand.  And what made it worse were the crappy wings I had at Duff's on Orchard Park road after the game. The beers always colder and the wings are more crispy after a win. 

But I do think Allen will be fine. Put a decent line in front of him and give him another year to grow as a QB and he will most likely be better than we are seeing in 2019.

 

We put a lot of investment in our line since last year.  We were missing our best RT and playing a rookie in his spot.  We may need one more piece.

 

Allen calls his own protections and I'm thinking either he was getting confused by the Ravens blitzes and not making the right calls, or he was having trouble with his hot read (it was being taken away or he didn't know who it was).  That is something that will get better with experience.  The worst thing was the strip sack that gave you guys first down at our 24 yd line.  I wish Allen could have hung onto that one.

 

Where I think we need upgrade is at TE and WR.   We drafted a guy they are high on - he's the one who had that huge drop.  He was never given much chance to catch passes at Ole Miss.  He will make the high DOD catches and then drop the bunnies.  I don't know if that can be fixed.   We also signed Kroft in FA.  He missed training camp and the first 6 games or so, and he's been the Invisible Man since being activated.

[atlbillsfan1975]

22 minutes ago, InheritedBillsfan said:

Hey, don't insinuate all Raven's fans aren't showing class.  

 

I think what you're seeing is Buffalo fans ticked off that the Bills lost a close hard fought game, and doing a bit of undermining of Lamar. In response some Ravens -and- Bills fans are disagreeing with the negativity being spouted against Lamar. Because, most if not all of it simply is not true. 

I guess that's pretty good then, right? Leading the league in TD passes after 13 games and getting ready to break the NFL single season rushing record for quarterbacks.  Hey, if he doesn't get any better than this, I can't complain. As long as he is playing this way, he gives his team the best chance at winning. 

History hasn’t shown running quarterbacks win the big one. 
Has the rushing leader for QB’s ever won a SB? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

how the hell was he bad

it was a below average day for him but thats not bad by any means. he put up 24 points and 3 TD's and did enough to beat a 9-3 team on the road. 

 

Correct.  Jackson won.  That's not bad.

 

Kidz theze daze.

 

And hey, the Rams are roaring back after last week and knocking the Seasnakes down on their butts.  Lamar looked better than Wilson looking today.

[Penfield45]

9 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Jackson had a good game, nearly made a couple big mistakes but didn't.  But yes, the Bills defense did an excellent job keeping him from running all over them as he's done to most teams.  That's why the game came down to the final possession.

 

The D earned a win today.  Too bad the O couldn't hold up their end of the deal.   As good as the D played, the O played even worse.

 

i'm not angry that we lost, but the fact Dabboll had the entire game to make adjustments to the Ravens blitzes and did absolutely nothing

 

that is very worrying. I truly don't think he should be here next season. go get Jay Gruden and watch him turn Allen into a top 10 QB

[atlbillsfan1975]

20 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

So, he will not improve?  What leads you to say this?

 

Is it possible for Allen to improve? 

I don’t see him showing progress in learning how to read defenses. I see a great scheme by the perfect OC playing to his strengths. He was average at best today. That’s not scary to me. 

[KD in CA]

Just now, Penfield45 said:

 

i'm not angry that we lost, but the fact Dabboll had the entire game to make adjustments to the Ravens blitzes and did absolutely nothing

 

that is very worrying. I truly don't think he should be here next season. go get Jay Gruden and watch him turn Allen into a top 10 QB

 

I dunno....I have a hard time laying this on the coaches.  I saw an OL get whipped repeatedly.  And when they didn't, I saw Allen run out of clean pockets several times.  I saw Allen miss open receivers.  I saw dropped passes all over the field.  At some point the players have to execute.  You can't win a game from the sideline.

[Penfield45]

Just now, KD in CA said:

 

I dunno....I have a hard time laying this on the coaches.  I saw an OL get whipped repeatedly.  And when they didn't, I saw Allen run out of clean pockets several times.  I saw Allen miss open receivers.  I saw dropped passes all over the field.  At some point the players have to execute.  You can't win a game from the sideline.

 

 

Allen was terrible today I agree. Dabboll also called an abysmal game to be fair so it's both

[InheritedBillsfan]

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

History hasn’t shown running quarterbacks win the big one. 
Has the rushing leader for QB’s ever won a SB? 

Well Steve Young was a mobile quarterback who won three SuperBowls and Russell Wilson two.  I'll leave it to you to determine if they both led the league in rushing yards for a quarterback for each of the 5 SuperBowls that were won. 

However, given that Lamar is leading the league in passing touchdowns, I wouldn't consider him to be a running quarterback. Lamar is a passing -and- running quarterback. I would consider in excess 3,000 yards passing and over 30 passing TD's (what Lamar will end up with after 3 more games) to be acceptable passing numbers for a second year quarterback, but I guess you can't please or convince everyone. Depends on what agenda people have. 

 

Fortunately, history doesn't have much to do with the current or future success of dual threat quarterbacks.  Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Lamar help his team win a Super Bowl.

[Chandemonium]

36 minutes ago, stony said:

Idk Chan, he punched in TDs while we settled for FGs. I’ll say this though, our D was really good. Again. 

The punching in TD’s while we settled for field goals pretty much sums up the why I said he was less bad than Allen. But 2 of their scoring drives started on our side of the field, one started at their 49 and then there was the blown coverage big play TD. It’s certainly to his credit that he was able to take advantage of those favorable situations, but he did not move the ball consistently when he had to start a drive in his own territory. 

32 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

how the hell was he bad 

 

it was a below average day for him but thats not bad by any means. he put up 24 points and 3 TD's and did enough to beat a 9-3 team on the road. 

See above. He was not able to move his offense on a consistent basis. It just so happens that today our guy couldn’t either. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by Chandemonium

[atlbillsfan1975]

13 minutes ago, InheritedBillsfan said:

Well Steve Young was a mobile quarterback who won three SuperBowls and Russell Wilson two.  I'll leave it to you to determine if they both led the league in rushing yards for a quarterback for each of the 5 SuperBowls that were won. 

However, given that Lamar is leading the league in passing touchdowns, I wouldn't consider him to be a running quarterback. Lamar is a passing -and- running quarterback. I would consider in excess 3,000 yards passing and over 30 passing TD's (what Lamar will end up with after 3 more games) to be acceptable passing numbers for a second year quarterback, but I guess you can't please or convince everyone. Depends on what agenda people have. 

 

Fortunately, history doesn't have much to do with the current or future success of dual threat quarterbacks.  Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Lamar help his team win a Super Bowl.

You are welcome to your opinion. The QB I watched today wouldn’t win a SB. 
Jackson is no where near a Steve Young or Russell Wilson. He reminds me almost exactly like Mike Vick. I watched a ton of Vick, and that’s who Jackson’s play resembles at this point.

Edited December 9, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975

[TigerJ]

Jackson is superlative at executing a fake handoff to Ingram.   If the defense gets sucked in, Jackson gets big yardage on the run.  That's why gap discipline is so important.  A lot of their pass completions happen because defenses have to pay so much attention to the dual run threat.  I thought Buffalo did a good job on defense today except for the one breakdown on Hurst's touchdown catch and run.  One other Baltimore touchdown happened when Buffalo gave them a short field on the turnover.

 

I thought early on Buffalo's offense had some issues with nerves.  I kept wondering why Daboll was dialing up deep passes on a windy day with a nervous QB.  All game I wondered why so many interior runs, since that's where the strength of Baltimore's defensive front lies.  My other primary observation is that Allen and the Bills still have work to do dealing with blitzes.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

41 minutes ago, InheritedBillsfan said:

Hey, don't insinuate all Raven's fans aren't showing class.  

 

I think what you're seeing is Buffalo fans ticked off that the Bills lost a close hard fought game, and doing a bit of undermining of Lamar. In response some Ravens -and- Bills fans are disagreeing with the negativity being spouted against Lamar. Because, most if not all of it simply is not true. 

I was referring to the Ravens Trolls that were here talking smack.   
 

had they showed class I wouldn’t have made my post.  

Lamar played good but the God image being portrayed was a bit tarnished IMO.  

 

[Beast]

Jackson is good but so is our defense.

 

 

[BurpleBull]

54 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

You insulted me because I insulted the "game of football"? 

 

I didn't mean to make fun of your favorite QB. You clearly watch all his games and root for him so you would know better than I do. I apologize for having the gall for suggesting a blueprint to stop him. From now on, I will message you directly for permission. 

 

You're up in arms over Lamar Jackson being "overrated" for the sake of players who are being overlooked and "underrated" because of it?

 

Now he's my favorite QB? Smh

 

No need to get all silly because you oddly have it out for a player who the Bills don't have to face twice each year.

 

 

[Rick 'r Mortis]

3 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

 

I'm saying he is not an MVP. I'm saying that he is a great read-option QB on a great winning organization and nothing more. 

I agree with you about him being a great read-option QB. The second half IMO has absolutely nothing to do with his success and consideration for being the MVP. 

 

He's also a good passer...good, not great. I don't know his stats and I don't need to. I've seen him play several times and he puts the ball where it needs to be when it needs to be. He limits mistakes both in running and passing.

 

Anyway blah blah blah those are some of my thoughts.

 

BTW, we don't know if he's MVP yet or not. One thing everyone knows is that he is an MVP candidate, that's not opinion just facts.

I'd put Wilson ahead of him and then...

[Protocal69]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think it's quite as simple as that, but the Josh Allen strip sack in the red zone was big.  And of course the Hurst TD made it harder for us to come back.

 

 

They were both big plays because the Ravens could not put together long drives against us and those 2 plays gave the Ravens easy TD's. That Hurst TD represented 61 of the 145 yards lamar had passing for the game (42%)

[ToGoGo]

12 minutes ago, Rick 'r Mortis said:

I agree with you about him being a great read-option QB. The second half IMO has absolutely nothing to do with his success and consideration for being the MVP. 

 

He's also a good passer...good, not great. I don't know his stats and I don't need to. I've seen him play several times and he puts the ball where it needs to be when it needs to be. He limits mistakes both in running and passing.

 

Anyway blah blah blah those are some of my thoughts.

 

BTW, we don't know if he's MVP yet or not. One thing everyone knows is that he is an MVP candidate, that's not opinion just facts.

I'd put Wilson ahead of him and then...

 

That's not true. 

 

They built a brilliant offense around his strengths, with top notch blocking and great execution. They have a consistent history of winning and expect to win. It's the same reason the Steelers are in the running for a wild card spot without Big Ben. That's what winning organizations do. Lamar is not a one man show on offense. That O-line is stellar. The tight ends do their job and Ingram is a tough RB. They just play Raven football with the same attitude that's been there since Ray Lewis. 

[Da webster guy]

5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

The book on him is out? He threw 3 TDs and didn’t look nearly as rattled or erratic as Allen. So many horrible takes on Lamar. He’s having a great season.

He's having a great season, wasn't so great today but did enough to get a road win against a solid defense.

Neither qb played great today.

[Ravensfan0911]

Ravens fan here. 

 

I came here here because I was curious what opposing fans thought of Lamar jackson. I have to admit I’m a little surprised at the disrespect.

 

i understand the hype around Jackson is over blown but people who call him a one read “limited” QB don’t know football or haven’t watched him this year and are regurgitating old draft talk.

 

he wasn’t great today but he was playing a great defence on the road. He made some plays and his team beat a 9-3 playoff team on the road.

 

He’s a legit MVP candidate. He’s made plays with his arm and legs. If he’s not an mvp candidate who is??? Russell Wilson? Terrible game against the rams tonight. By many people’s logic on here he’s out of contention.... Watson ..... blown out by Denver at home..... mahomes? Maybe but he hasn’t played any better than Jackson this year. Too much stock is being put into 1 game. Show me an MVP who hasn’t had a bad game...

 

anyway my thoughts on the bills are they are a really good team and absolutely no one wants to play them in the playoffs. Great defense which will travel well in January. Josh Allen will work his way into being a top 10 QB before long

 

good game and hopefully we don’t see you again 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Bills D did a good job with one coverage breakdown where the rarest of things happened - there was a communication failure between Hyde and Poyer which almost never happens. 

 

Even with the busted coverage how in the heck did they let a 270 lb tight end run 60 yards untouched into the end zone? Alright guys, you busted the coverage but at least run him down and tackle him!

Edited December 9, 2019 by Sammy Watkins' Rib

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Ravensfan0911 said:

Ravens fan here. 

 

I came here here because I was curious what opposing fans thought of Lamar jackson. I have to admit I’m a little surprised at the disrespect.

 

i understand the hype around Jackson is over blown but people who call him a one read “limited” QB don’t know football or haven’t watched him this year and are regurgitating old draft talk.

 

he wasn’t great today but he was playing a great defence on the road. He made some plays and his team beat a 9-3 playoff team on the road.

 

He’s a legit MVP candidate. He’s made plays with his arm and legs. If he’s not an mvp candidate who is??? Russell Wilson? Terrible game against the rams tonight. By many people’s logic on here he’s out of contention.... Watson ..... blown out by Denver at home..... mahomes? Maybe but he hasn’t played any better than Jackson this year. Too much stock is being put into 1 game. Show me an MVP who hasn’t had a bad game...

 

anyway my thoughts on the bills are they are a really good team and absolutely no one wants to play them in the playoffs. Great defense which will travel well in January. Josh Allen will work his way into being a top 10 QB before long

 

good game and hopefully we don’t see you again 

Right, Bills fans wouldn’t know anything about one read Greg Roman QBs lmao 

[Ravensfan0911]

17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Right, Bills fans wouldn’t know anything about one read Greg Roman QBs lmao 

Comparing tyrod Taylor to LJ is a joke

 

ravens fans know Tyrod well... not close to the same player. You kind of proved my point 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Ravensfan0911 said:

Comparing tyrod Taylor to LJ is a joke

 

ravens fans know Tyrod well... not close to the same player. You kind of proved my point 

There’s a reason you run read option.

[Nelius]

It was a good showing by our defense but he still quietly dropped 3 passing TDs and was really efficient. I like that we more or less took away his legs. That team is not all Lamar Jackson, which kind of makes them more terrifying. Judon is really turning into premier pass rusher, Justin Tucker is the best ever, they stole Marcus Peters who is better than Jalen Ramsey, etc.

Edited December 9, 2019 by Nelius

[Ravensfan0911]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

There’s a reason you run read option.

Yes. Because Lamar happens to be a special athlete... what’s your point?

 

Hes a tremendous talent as a runner and a passer. You make it sound like a negative

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Ravensfan0911 said:

Yes. Because Lamar happens to be a special athlete... what’s your point?

 

Hes a tremendous talent as a runner and a passer. You make it sound like a negative

Not at all. He is a particular talent as a runner. Maybe one of the best ever. But you confuse passing efficiency with talent. Efficiency, especially with a coordinator like Roman, is often more a product of scheme than individual QB talent. That’s all I’m saying.

[Ravensfan0911]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Not at all. He is a particular talent as a runner. Maybe one of the best ever. But you confuse passing efficiency with talent. Efficiency, especially with a coordinator like Roman, is often more a product of scheme than individual QB talent. That’s all I’m saying.

We will agree to disagree - good luck the rest of the season 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan0911 said:

Ravens fan here. 

 

I came here here because I was curious what opposing fans thought of Lamar jackson. I have to admit I’m a little surprised at the disrespect.

 

i understand the hype around Jackson is over blown but people who call him a one read “limited” QB don’t know football or haven’t watched him this year and are regurgitating old draft talk.

 

he wasn’t great today but he was playing a great defence on the road. He made some plays and his team beat a 9-3 playoff team on the road.

 

He’s a legit MVP candidate. He’s made plays with his arm and legs. If he’s not an mvp candidate who is??? Russell Wilson? Terrible game against the rams tonight. By many people’s logic on here he’s out of contention.... Watson ..... blown out by Denver at home..... mahomes? Maybe but he hasn’t played any better than Jackson this year. Too much stock is being put into 1 game. Show me an MVP who hasn’t had a bad game...

 

anyway my thoughts on the bills are they are a really good team and absolutely no one wants to play them in the playoffs. Great defense which will travel well in January. Josh Allen will work his way into being a top 10 QB before long

 

good game and hopefully we don’t see you again 

Thanks for coming by.  I mostly agree with your post.  Jackson didn’t have a great game, but he was playing against maybe the best defense in the league, in a tough environment.  He’s very hard to defend and he’s still learning.
 

I thought the Ravens play calling was highly questionable at times.  They got fancy too often when they should have just fed Ingram and Edwards (who’s a beast, by the way).  One thing I noticed was that Ravens were almost totally shut down when they were in unfavorable down and distance; it’s critically important to hold them to 3 yds or less on first down—easier said than done, of course.

 

Ravens defense was tremendous; much better than I expected.  They are right up there with the best units in the league.  Also highly impressed with special teams; Roberts had nowhere to go.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

He had a bad game and still threw 3 TD’s. Humble yourself!

[Cripple Creek]

9 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I don’t see him showing progress in learning how to read defenses. I see a great scheme by the perfect OC playing to his strengths. He was average at best today. That’s not scary to me. 

Watching yesterday it looked to me like Allen was unprepared for the blitzes that Baltimore was sending his way.  I guess he is at his ceiling too.

[badassgixxer05]

It was just like watching a turbo charged version of Tyrod Taylor out there. Hes tough to defend the edge on when he is the fastest guy on the field. If you get a lead on them I don't think there is anyway he drops back and throws for a come behind win. That D is pretty good though, so they have a good thing going. I'd like to see them again in the playoffs and beat them when it counts. ?

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Allen calls his own protections and I'm thinking either he was getting confused by the Ravens blitzes and not making the right calls, or he was having trouble with his hot read (it was being taken away or he didn't know who it was).  That is something that will get better with experience.  The worst thing was the strip sack that gave you guys first down at our 24 yd line.  I wish Allen could have hung onto that one.

 

It has been a constant issue since Allen came into the lineup and I still believe his inability to do it in that pre-season game against the Browns where Greggo sent pressure every down was the reason for McDermott's ill fated decision to start Nathan Peterman last season. It has got better, I'm not saying there has been no improvement, but it remains an issue.

 

I don't put it all on Josh either. I had this debate with folks last night but the center has an important role to play too. We saw last season that Groy was no worse a physical player at center than Bodine but Bodine was better in terms of line calls and helped Josh more to that end. Part of the reason for signing Morse (who is Eric Wood like in that he is not a physical road grader of a center but can move and has a high football IQ) was to help Josh with the protections and identifying blitz pickup. I put some of this on Morse as well.... and to be honest if he isn't helping there I am not beyond questioning his role as our starting center, because physically Feliciano has outplayed him in that spot in his two games of spot duty (and Feliciano is less comfortable at guard than he is at center in my honest opinion).

 

They have to get it figured out. You can have the best offensive coordinator in the world and you can make better adjustments in playcalling than Brian Daboll did yesterday (too little, too late) but if your center and Quarterback cannot diagnose the defense pre-snap and work out when the blitz is coming and where it is likely to come from and then your Quarterback can't expose the blitz by getting the ball to his hot reads then it makes it really difficult to operate efficiently on offense.

 

Yesterday was the most stark it has been all season, but this has been an issue in other games too. A lot of people are putting too much of yesterday on the offensive line to my mind. There were only a couple of plays that watching live looked like complete blown assignments by offensive linemen. They looked for the most part like they were blocking the right guy and doing a respectable job doing it. There were guys running free that we hadn't identified and weren't picking up.

 

I do think it is an experience thing, and I am not piling on Josh for it.... if anything I expected more help for him from Morse than it would appear, at least to the naked eye, he is getting.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, mannc said:

Thanks for coming by.  I mostly agree with your post.  Jackson didn’t have a great game, but he was playing against maybe the best defense in the league, in a tough environment.  He’s very hard to defend and he’s still learning.
 

I thought the Ravens play calling was highly questionable at times.  They got fancy too often when they should have just fed Ingram and Edwards (who’s a beast, by the way).  One thing I noticed was that Ravens were almost totally shut down when they were in unfavorable down and distance; it’s critically important to hold them to 3 yds or less on first down—easier said than done, of course.

 

Ravens defense was tremendous; much better than I expected.  They are right up there with the best units in the league.  Also highly impressed with special teams; Roberts had nowhere to go.

 

And that is the key point for me too. I also agree with a lot of what our Ravens visitor said (though to me Russell Wilson is clearly the MVP even if he wasn't great last night) but the bolded was my point in the first page of this thread. When you force them into obvious passing 3rd and longs and the RPO and the traditional play-action game are off the table and you make Lamar beat you with the drop back passing game and ask him to read the entire field then he isn't quite there yet.

 

That is not to say he can't continue to improve. In fact the one thing that is obvious about Lamar Jackson is he works to improve and keeps improving. When I was evaluating Lamar coming out of college I thought the 2016 tape was that of a 5th round pick. His 2017 tape to me was low end NFL starter and I gave him a high 2nd round grade. But I was very clear that if he improved again at that rate he had franchise QB potential. He has taken another step, without doubt, since coming into the league. At some point he will hit a ceiling as everyone does, but for the time being he still looks like an improving QB. And the genius of Greg Roman is helping the Ravens to be dynamic on offense while that improvement happens in the background.

[skibum]

He won.

[Matt_In_NH]

If Josh had Lamar's stats yesterday in a 24-17 win vs the Ravens, there might be calls for him to be considered MVP from Bills fans.   

[Stank_Nasty]

8 hours ago, Ravensfan0911 said:

Ravens fan here. 

 

I came here here because I was curious what opposing fans thought of Lamar jackson. I have to admit I’m a little surprised at the disrespect.

 

i understand the hype around Jackson is over blown but people who call him a one read “limited” QB don’t know football or haven’t watched him this year and are regurgitating old draft talk.

 

he wasn’t great today but he was playing a great defence on the road. He made some plays and his team beat a 9-3 playoff team on the road.

 

He’s a legit MVP candidate. He’s made plays with his arm and legs. If he’s not an mvp candidate who is??? Russell Wilson? Terrible game against the rams tonight. By many people’s logic on here he’s out of contention.... Watson ..... blown out by Denver at home..... mahomes? Maybe but he hasn’t played any better than Jackson this year. Too much stock is being put into 1 game. Show me an MVP who hasn’t had a bad game...

 

anyway my thoughts on the bills are they are a really good team and absolutely no one wants to play them in the playoffs. Great defense which will travel well in January. Josh Allen will work his way into being a top 10 QB before long

 

good game and hopefully we don’t see you again 

If the scores had been flipped and Allen won with the same stat line as Jackson. The narrative amongst fans and in the media would be that he rode his defense to a win. 
 

but Jackson did it and he’s the darling right now..... so MVP I suppose. 
 

he should be in the discussion, but all week all I saw was the bills were gonna have to deal with this unstoppable force. I read ravens fans talking about Jackson romping all over buffalo because he did it to other solid d’s.... none of that happened. Half his freaking passing yds came on one busted play. Cripes. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

If the scores had been flipped and Allen won with the same stat line as Jackson. The narrative amongst fans and in the media would be that he rode his defense to a win. 
 

but Jackson did it and he’s the darling right now..... so MVP I suppose. 
 

he should be in the discussion, but all week all I saw was the bills were gonna have to deal with this unstoppable force. I read ravens fans talking about Jackson romping all over buffalo because he did it to other solid d’s.... none of that happened. Half his freaking passing yds came on one busted play. Cripes. 

 

You are talking to a HUGE TROLL who may never visit this board again.  Well maybe if the Bills have to face the Ravens in the playoffs

 

The Bills Defense contained Lamar. Whether they choose to believe it or not. 

 

1 blown coverage allowed him to pass for over 100 yards (139) and the team 118 TOTAL rushing yards and score a TD.

1 NON CALL by the refs of 12 man in the huddle gave them 7 points

 

LJ's 40 rushing yards is the 2nd lowest yardage gained of the season 11 for 40  3.64 ypc 

 

The 2nd fewest was against KC (46) where the Ravens Lost. 

 

His lowest * Rushing in a game was against Miami when they won 59-10.   When you can pass at will,  why run?? 

. 

 

So many threads covering the game  I have to repost the above 

Lamar is not a God 

[DCOrange]

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

There’s a reason you run read option.

Because it's allowing them to have the best offense in the league lol.

 

This would be like criticizing a QB for throwing out of playaction so much when everyone should be using it statistically speaking.

[Big Gun]

10 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

i'm not angry that we lost, but the fact Dabboll had the entire game to make adjustments to the Ravens blitzes and did absolutely nothing

 

that is very worrying. I truly don't think he should be here next season. go get Jay Gruden and watch him turn Allen into a top 10 QB

This would absolutely be a home run.

 

Jay Gruden is a really really good offensive coordinator, light years better than Dumbell!

[Freddie's Dead]

14 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

2 plays cost us the game today. The Hurst 61 yards for the TD and the Josh Allen fumble. We wasn’t a push over so that’s that

 

3 plays.  The missed 12 men call.

 

We bottled up Jackson all day long.  We're gonna beat these guys when we see them in the playoffs.