Where do we find our next playmaker on offense? I'm not seeing a lot of options for the offseason.

[Buffalo Junction]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

One name at CB that I'm sneaky keeping an eye out for is Bryce Hall, from Virginia. 

 

He was going to be a top 2 or 3 CB this year, but he broke his ankle early this season. If he drops into the second or third round, he's the kind of player McD might not be able to say no to as a value pick.

If Halls there in the third McD might soil his shorts. 

[Reed83HOF]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I just wouldn't.  At least not Foster.  He's way too electrifying in his potential for me to move on from him, especially in a scenario next year where he would be the 4th WR.

 

McKenzie I could be swayed either way, although as a gadget player/5th WR, he'd be in the position he should be on this team.

 

I just can't see us investing in more than one WR this offseason with either FA $$$ or a high draft pick.  We run 11 personnel most of the time.  It's not like we're going 4/5 wide with all WR's.   

 

One WR is needed.  Two is overkill, IMO.

 

 

I almost think we will want to "redshirt" our WR and then it comes down to reasonable contract for AJ vs Foster/McKenzie. I'd take AJ all day over both of them and a top WR prospect. 

 

Now, if you go after Cooper who is the ripe age of 25 - I might even forgo a WR in RD1 and possibly RD2 and focus on Edge, LB, CB, LB/CB Tweener. This is why it all comes down to what our pick is and who gets tagged and who does not and how deep $$-wise Beane is willing to go. It's going to be a fun offseason

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I almost think we will want to "redshirt" our WR and then it comes down to reasonable contract for AJ vs Foster/McKenzie. I'd take AJ all day over both of them and a top WR prospect. 

 

Now, if you go after Cooper who is the ripe age of 25 - I might even forgo a WR in RD1 and possibly RD2 and focus on Edge, LB, CB, LB/CB Tweener. This is why it all comes down to what our pick is and who gets tagged and who does not and how deep $$-wise Beane is willing to go. It's going to be a fun offseason

 

Don't hate this idea at all. 

 

AJ Green would make sense in your scenario as i'd want a young WR ready to take over for him if/when he gets hurt.  I just hope signing Green wouldn't dissuade us from drafting a WR in the 1st or 2nd as I don't trust his health to rely on him.

 

If we sign Cooper, then yea, i'm good with Brown/Beasley/Cooper and Foster/McKenzie/Roberts as depth.  That's a young enough group that a rookie WR isn't getting much playing time for years.

 

Edited December 2, 2019 by SCBills

[Mark80]

I'm sure its been mentioned already...but this draft is stocked with WR talent.  If they want a WR they can count on a quality guy being available with their first pick regardless of where that is.  I'm sure there will be hits in rounds 2-4 as well.

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

Don't hate this idea at all. 

 

AJ Green would make sense in your scenario as i'd want a young WR ready to take over for him if/when he gets hurt.  

 

If we sign Cooper, then yea, i'm good with Brown/Beasley/Cooper and Foster/McKenzie/Roberts as depth.  That's a young enough group that a rookie WR isn't getting much playing time for years.

I haven't really thought about the depth chart, but we will be losing some good players that other teams will want - it's nice to be the team giving the scraps instead of picking them up. 

 

I agree 10000%

 

 

[Victory Formation]

Najee Harris would be a sick pick with that first round selection. Imagine Harris and Singletary with Josh Allen pounding the ball, disgusting.

[whatdrought]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

If Halls there in the third McD might soil his shorts. 

 

Seems unlikely, but it's possible. 

 

4 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

Najee Harris would be a sick pick with that first round selection. Imagine Harris and Singletary with Josh Allen pounding the ball, disgusting.

 

I don't think Harris is going to be a first round pick... So far his stock seems anywhere from low second to 4th round... 

[Reed83HOF]

Some reminders on Beane & Drafting/FA:

 

1.) He's been adamant throughout his tenure that good teams build their foundation and core through the draft and supplement through free agency. Do we have a core that has been built in the draft? Are we looking to supplement that core now via FA? What do you consider a WR or an Edge DE?

2.) Beane is open to swapping picks and moving in any direction to try and get the players he has targeted on his board.

 

3.) There's a lot at play in the war room when Beane and his staff are trying to figure out what their best play is during the draft.

 

“When the coaches get their chance to present who they like, (we have to figure out) ‘How does this guy fit?’ You’ve got a sixth-round grade on him, and he’s the last position on his roster,” Beane said. “Who does he beat out? If you’re telling me he’s definitely going to beat out somebody, you feel, barring health, that he’s going to beat out a guy, then I feel better about taking that guy than one where you say, ‘Ah, he’s going to battle with a guy that was on our practice squad last year who really didn’t make the team. I don’t know which one’s better.' Then maybe you trade up to get a guy that you know, ‘This guy is making my roster and at a minimum, he’s helping us on special teams.’”

 

4.) Beane drafted five players in 2018 that played in the Senior Bowl that year and even signed one undrafted free agent (cornerback Levi Wallace) who also played in the game. The maturity that seniors bring to the NFL as rookies is a valuable commodity for teams, and Bills coach Sean McDermott values that maturity as he challenges his players to compete on the field, in the film room and in the weight room.

 

5.) Beane also likes younger players, though. He took 19-year-old Edmunds last year in the first round and won't shy away from going after an impact rookie just because they didn't play four years in college. “There are some of these underclassmen that we’ve met that are some really fine young men, mature beyond their years,” Beane said. “Look at Tremaine last year. You guys saw a guy that, despite being 19 when we drafted him, he’s very mature. I don’t think as a whole they are, but I do think there are some that definitely are.”

 

6.) Beane emphasized the importance of tape when evaluating players within the scouting department. When being asked about Devin Singletary’s massive workload in college, Beane said he wasn’t concerned because on tape, “his lower [body] is bigger than you would think when you see on tape…when we were watching him at some point, rarely do you see him take a lot of blows.” Again, when describing sixth-round cornerback Jaquan Johnson: “He’s not going to jump out of the gym or run the fastest, but when you turn on the tape, you see a football player.” Seeing a player on tape is the ultimate truth for the Bills GM.

 

7.) Beane had another illuminating moment when he was asked about seventh-round defensive end Darryl Johnson’s size. According to him, the team makes sure to ‘body-type’ prospects, which means to anticipate if they can literally grow into a position: “These guys that don’t play at the big-time programs don’t have the same nutrition plans, and you see that with guys. We take that into account. We try to look at guys, that’s one of the things we do, we body-type them. Does this guy look like he can add good muscle?”

 

 

[Victory Formation]

Just now, whatdrought said:

I don't think Harris is going to be a first round pick... So far his stock seems anywhere from low second to 4th round... 

He will go in the late first to early second. Guy is a freaking battering ram. Reminds me of Derrick Henry. It’s still really early but why not take the best RB in the draft? Smoke has proven to be a solid #1.

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

He will go in the late first to early second. Guy is a freaking battering ram. Reminds me of Derrick Henry. It’s still really early but why not take the best RB in the draft? Smoke has proven to be a solid #1.

 

We'll see. Good runningback class, and people are hesitant about Bama backs as they are such a mixed bag - I don't think he'll go in the first. 

 

If he is a first rounder, I don't want anything to do with him. No need to take a RB before the 3rd at the very earliest. - generally as a rule, and specifically this year after we just invested in Motor who is rounding into a good every down back. 

[Victory Formation]

5 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

We'll see. Good runningback class, and people are hesitant about Bama backs as they are such a mixed bag - I don't think he'll go in the first. 

 

If he is a first rounder, I don't want anything to do with him. No need to take a RB before the 3rd at the very earliest. - generally as a rule, and specifically this year after we just invested in Motor who is rounding into a good every down back. 

Yeah but RB is a plug and play position. With Gore gone we need to add a new body there. Our line is damn solid, with Singletary and Harris we are sitting pretty. I mean, oh wow what a running attack that’d be.

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

Yeah but RB is a plug and play position. With Gore gone we need to add a new body there. Our line is damn solid, with Singletary and Harris we are sitting pretty. I mean, oh wow what a running attack that’d be.

 

I just don't think runningback is ever (or at least very rarely) worth a first round pick, especially not when you're talking about part two of a two back field. - besides, we're not a run first team anymore. We're a pass first team now. 

Edited December 2, 2019 by whatdrought

[Victory Formation]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

I just don't think runningback is ever worth a first round pick, especially not when you're talking about part two of a two back field.

We’ll just have to disagree on that one. 

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, Sunshower said:

We’ll just have to disagree on that one. 

 

Guess so. 

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

We’ll just have to disagree on that one. 

 

I'm sorry - you think the Bills' solution is to add a "battering ram"-type compliment to Singletary WITH THEIR FIRST ROUND PICK?  That is just... 

[Victory Formation]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I'm sorry - you think the Bills' solution is to add a "battering ram"-type compliment to Singletary WITH THEIR FIRST ROUND PICK?  That is just... 

As if you’re confused emoji reaction just wasn’t enough. Maybe you should accept that it’s a big world and not everyone will think as you do or agree with you. Acceptance of a difference in opinion may benefit you “Coach”.

 

Singletary is not big enough to handle a major workload. Gore will likely retire and is up there in years. Harris could wear down defenses for Singletary.

 

Josh Jacobs has done well for the Raiders and we are picking right about where they did. NFL teams are utilizing smaller LBs to combat a pass happy league so it makes sense to have a gifted power RB.

 

Between Singletary and Harris Buffalo would destroy teams on the ground and Allen would be the coup de grace to opposing defenses. Why is this so hard to grasp? It’s seemingly so simple to understand that even someone with an infant’s intellect could understand.

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

As the roster stands Foster and McKenzie can be improved upon and Roberts gets the return spot. Kroft, Lee, and Sweeney aren’t all needed. Plus the bottom of the roster is always churning.... Yeldon, Perry, etc can all be replaced. You upgrade when and where you can. 

 

The Bills have been very lucky so far this season that they have not had to depend upon their second stringers, especially on offense, often or long term.  Once past the starters, the quality on the offense drops precipitiously. 

 

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

Should always draft a CB/DB

 

An OLer, too.

 

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

I just don't think runningback is ever (or at least very rarely) worth a first round pick, especially not when you're talking about part two of a two back field. - besides, we're not a run first team anymore. We're a pass first team now. 

 

If we're a "pass first team" then acquiring a true veteran WR1 through FA/trade and drafting a WR in the first three rounds seems imperative.   Other than Beasley and Brown, the Bills receivers aren't good enough for a team that depends on passing.

[OZBILLS]

Hoping we go later in the draft for the WR.

 

CB/OL first up

[Chicken Boo]

Robby Anderson is absolutely a #1, but with the right QB.  Look at what John Brown is doing this year.

 

 I was on the James Hardy train in '08.  I blame Jauron, in part, for his lack of success.  In the past, I've wanted this team to draft Dez, Alshon and most recently D.K. and it looks like my WR dream is finally going to happen in 2020.

 

I look forward to the WR debates to come. 

 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

28 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The Bills have been very lucky so far this season that they have not had to depend upon their second stringers, especially on offense, often or long term.  Once past the starters, the quality on the offense drops precipitiously. 

 

If we're a "pass first team" then acquiring a true veteran WR1 through FA/trade and drafting a WR in the first three rounds seems imperative.   Other than Beasley and Brown, the Bills receivers aren't good enough for a team that depends on passing.

For sure. It’d be different if Foster had secured the spot opposite Brown, but he’s failed to do so. He has ST value, so I’m fine with keeping him while cheap. We need a better #2 and #3 though if we’re going with a pass first attack. McKenzie can be effective on designed plays, but he’s not quite fast enough or big enough to be a threat without dramatically improving his route running. I’m not including Duke because he hasn’t worked himself back into the active roster for one reason or another. 

[whatdrought]

35 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The Bills have been very lucky so far this season that they have not had to depend upon their second stringers, especially on offense, often or long term.  Once past the starters, the quality on the offense drops precipitiously. 

 

 

An OLer, too.

 

 

If we're a "pass first team" then acquiring a true veteran WR1 through FA/trade and drafting a WR in the first three rounds seems imperative.   Other than Beasley and Brown, the Bills receivers aren't good enough for a team that depends on passing.

 

I’d be fine signing someone and then taking another in the top 3. Not sure what kind of money AJ green is gonna want, but I wouldn’t hate having him. I wonder if he’ll have to sign a 1 year prove it deal? Alshon Jeffery is another guy who interests me... he’s been hurt lately, but I could see him becoming free and as a piece of the puzzle he might make a nice addition.

[Hebert19]

15 hours ago, mykidsdad said:

I hope we do something GREAT this year, but I still have this nagging feeling we’re a playmaker or two away from being a true contender. I think we need to sign as many of our productive players as we can, including Philips. We also need to draft a corner and build some depth, BUT to me I feel our biggest jump can take place if we add a dynamic number one type wide receiver. I’m trying to think about who that can be, and I’m stumped. It looks like there may NOT be a lot of great options this offseason. I’m just not seeing a lot of eye popping talent. 

 

These are the best WR options that may come available: 

 

NFL FREE AGENTS

Amari Cooper (Dallas may lock him up)

Robby Anderson (not a true number one)

AJ Green (too old?)

 

DRAFT

Jerry Jeudy, ALABAMA (1st rounder, probably gone before we pick)

Jalen Reagor, TCU (probably a good chance of grabbing in the 1st)

Antonio Gandy-Golden, LU (2nd or 3rd rounder)

 

If we are serious about adding a playmaker we may need to think long and hard about trading for someone. I’m convinced we are a playmaker away from having a top 10 Offense/Defense combination. Who might come available? Fuller in Houston maybe? Diggs or Thielen in Minnesota? And would we want to spend the capitol on a deal? Are there any players or scenarios I’m missing?, ether by way of draft or FA or even trade? I feel like we’re coming into all of this cap space without a lot of good options to spend it on.

Still say aj green and a draft pick...1 or 2 year deal to groom a rookie and give us instant production.  

[djp14150]

I don’t see them investing a 1st in a WR...unless it’s the BPA when they draft.

their draft needs will be based on who is resigned, who is newly sign, and who is list.

 

 

[LB48]

14 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He'd be smart to test the free agent market if the Cowboys can't afford to tag him.  Limited FA options at WR's would probably lead to a bidding war for him.  The Bills would pry have to pay at least 20 to 22 million a year for him with 50 million guaranteed and I don't see Beane willing to do that if he wants to keep our defense intact.  I think we target a WR in the 1st or 2nd round.

Let's not go in that direction

[Reed83HOF]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

An OLer, too.

Don't believe it is a good draft for them

[mikemac2001]

18 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I personally think Shenault from Colorado is tailor made for a Daboll offense. Big at 6’ 2” and 220, but moves like a RB. Lined up for Colorado at outside receiver, in the slot, running back and even as a wildcat QB. 

 

He excels in the intermediate areas, playing like a running back if he gets the ball in space. This is an area where Josh’s game has been steadily improving as well, so I could see those two things aligning. 

 

I think the answer lies in the draft. You list three draft eligible receivers. Most analysts see this as a big year for receivers, with up to 6 having 1st round round ability and upwards of 12-15 going in the first two rounds.  

I want this guy now 

[CLTbills]

Honestly, I’m not worried about it. I’m going to spend the rest of this season, however long it lasts, enjoying the freakin’ ride that the 2019 Bills are bringing us all on.

 

Plus, we have Brandon freaking Beane.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I think we really need a lightening quick and fast rb, home run hitter type, like penny on the seahawks. Should be a really nice complement to singletary. I assume the first round pick will be front 7 defensive help (de or athletic lb), and I'd be okay with aj green on a one year deal if foster is worth giving another year to become a wr. If foster isn't going to work out, draft someone to push him and no green. We could use a swing ot and I think we can get a CB out of the later round picks we have. 

[Nelius]

5 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Robby Anderson is absolutely a #1, but with the right QB.  Look at what John Brown is doing this year.

 

I have to disagree. I feel like Robby Anderson is the most overrated WR on this board. Smoke had an edge statistically on Anderson prior to this year, and to my knowledge he never threatened to rape a cop's wife. Pass on Robby Anderson, especially with the loaded draft.

[Big Blitz]

His name is Dawson Knox.  

[Solomon Grundy]

10 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I think we really need a lightening quick and fast rb, home run hitter type, like penny on the seahawks. Should be a really nice complement to singletary. I assume the first round pick will be front 7 defensive help (de or athletic lb), and I'd be okay with aj green on a one year deal if foster is worth giving another year to become a wr. If foster isn't going to work out, draft someone to push him and no green. We could use a swing ot and I think we can get a CB out of the later round picks we have. 

Like DK Metcalf before, I'll be beating the Jonathan Taylor drum this year

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just general playmaker?  I'd love to see david johnson brought in as the RB1/2.  Could probably be had for basically nothing other than paying his salary.  I'm talking like swapping our 6th for the cards 7th - his value is that low and it saves zona 10 million cash in salary.  A lot to pay in a running back but he's probably better than gordon/drake/howard and pretty much everyone available other than henry.  

 

Improving the other running back should be a priority IMO - these guys get hurt... yeldon's fine and gore's fine... but it'd be nice to have a guy back there who was a home run threat and a potential 3 down beast should our main back get hurt.

 

I know people say - you can find these guys on the street and in the 3rd round and beyond - but you're getting a former all-pro for basically nothing.  It would allow you to prioritize upgrading other positions in free agency and the draft.  

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎12‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 7:50 AM, H2o said:

The draft is going to be stacked @ WR this year, possibly a historic class of them. I'm not worried about this tbh. 

This is 100% true. It's easily the deepest WR class I have ever seen.

[Rocket94]

On 12/2/2019 at 2:45 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Not worried, McBeane will find the right guys for this team.

 

 

We have to know that Beane will find the right guys. He is probably being proactive and looking already!

[Rocket94]

16 hours ago, CLTbills said:

Honestly, I’m not worried about it. I’m going to spend the rest of this season, however long it lasts, enjoying the freakin’ ride that the 2019 Bills are bringing us all on.

 

Plus, we have Brandon freaking Beane.

Absolutely! This is a scary and well coached Bills team that is worth the price of admission!

[Chicken Boo]

15 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

I have to disagree. I feel like Robby Anderson is the most overrated WR on this board. Smoke had an edge statistically on Anderson prior to this year, and to my knowledge he never threatened to rape a cop's wife. Pass on Robby Anderson, especially with the loaded draft.

 

Brown has been in the league longer. Of course he'd have the statistical edge.

 

Don't care the least bit about the threat to the cop.

 

We're just now seeing Robby and Darnold get on the same page.  Excellent route runner, with great hands and speed, to boot.  14.8ypc for his career.  He absolutely has the talent to be be a #1.

 

I like Robby a lot, but Brown fills that role.  I'd like the Bills to draft a wideout with a larger catch radius.  Been banging that drum for years now.

Edited December 3, 2019 by Chicken Boo

[Dkollidas]

On 12/2/2019 at 6:34 PM, OZBILLS said:

Hoping we go later in the draft for the WR.

 

CB/OL first up

I just don’t see the logic. In 3 seasons under McDermott he’s.

 

Drafted White at the end of the 1st and developed him into a top-5 NFL CB.

 

Turned Micah Hyde from a half decent corner and special teams guy, into one of the premier safeties in the league.

 

Turned Jordan Poyer from a backup into a premier safety in the NFL.

 

Got very good CB2 play out of EJ Gaines, Kevin Johnson, Levi Wallace and for periods he even had guys like Ryan Lewis starting capably at CB2.

 

In my opinion this is the position that they are best able to identify to fill their scheme/roll, and develop said talent as well.

 

I wouldn’t draft a corner before round 4 or 5 honestly.

 

As for offensive line, I see your point, but I believe right now, they see a guy in Cody Ford who is doing the things they drafted him for with Nsekhe out. That, along with the fact the only starter we’ll lose could be Spain, and the fact we have very solid depth (Nsekhe will be back, Bates has been ok in his limited time, and Long is capable of starting at guard in the NFL). 
 

For me I think this draft is strong at receicer, and that’s where they’ll attack it. They like to draft for talent. 
2018 draft  of the QB’s- Josh Allen 

2019 draft of the d-linemen- Ed Oliver

2020 draft of the Wide Receiver- ????

 

I think Beane targets his drafts almost a year in advance. And rightfully so. They might bring a depth guy or two to compete in free agency, but my guess is they’ll draft one receiver in the 1st or 2nd round, along with another in the later rounds (5-7).

[WideRightRevenge]

On 12/2/2019 at 3:53 AM, Ethan in Portland said:

AJ Green on a 3 yr deal front loaded.

Then draft front 7 players with first three picks

 

I'm an AJ fan .. but sorry AJ is way too fragile and old for this investment ... can't believe I'm saying this .. but in comparing just two injury prone WR's ... Sammy though equally fragile is younger and could be cheaper if cut by Chiefs.  That said ... prefer us to use the draft (said to be best WR draft in years) to find our WR solution.

[ALF]

John Brown has 882 yards in 12 games . I like using TEs for a mismatch that's working well with the Ravens. I would draft a OL man every year.

[4merper4mer]

On December 2, 2019 at 6:37 PM, Chicken Boo said:

Robby Anderson is absolutely a #1, but with the right QB.  Look at what John Brown is doing this year.

 

 I was on the James Hardy train in '08.  I blame Jauron, in part, for his lack of success.  In the past, I've wanted this team to draft Dez, Alshon and most recently D.K. and it looks like my WR dream is finally going to happen in 2020.

 

I look forward to the WR debates to come. 

 

 

Do you also blame Jauron for 9/11?

 

Geez.