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Where do we find our next playmaker on offense? I'm not seeing a lot of options for the offseason.

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1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said:

We have some coin wrapped up in Beasley, Brown, and Kroft. Drafting one may be a better option. Cooper is a damn good receiver but the price tag may be too high.

 

The problem is that the draft is a crap-shoot and that's especially true for WRs.  Moreover, it can easily take 2 or 3 years to develop a NFL WR.  The Bills can't afford to wait that long to get a WR1 if they want to take advantage of Allen's rookie contract.

 

1 hour ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

This is why he might be a bargain.  

 

I think that AJ Green would be a good target for the Bills.   Because he's older and coming off injury, he should be affordable, and he's always been incredibly sure-handed.  This signing would also allow the Bills to draft and develop a young WR.

 

27 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:


why? That’s how a majority of teams do it 

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

Because they need at least two in my opinion and you back to square one with a Zay Jones esque rookie performance at the position next year.... it takes time to adjust to the NFL, the Bills are better served with an immediate veteran playmaker considering where the team is at now and where they should be at next year. 

 

This is exactly my thought.  I wouldn't be opposed to pursuing Cooper but I think Green is a more realistic target.  I would prefer that the Bills not trade for a WR1 but for the right price, it would be better than gambling on the draft.  Fans who think that the Bills don't need one now, simply don't pay attention to the rest of the NFL. 

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Here’s my pick - 

23. Buffalo Bills (9-3) 
Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson
The Bills have helped the second-year development of Josh Allen with veteran wide receivers John Brown (deep threat outside) and Cole Beasley (reliable slot man inside). But they still could a dangerous, all-around playmaker who can be a force in the red zone. At 6-4, 215 pounds, Higgins has posted 40 receptions for 799 yards and 8 TDs in 11 games this season.

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10 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

 

The problem is that the draft is a crap-shoot and that's especially true for WRs.  Moreover, it can easily take 2 or 3 years to develop a NFL WR.  The Bills can't afford to wait that long to get a WR1 if they want to take advantage of Allen's rookie contract.

 

 

I think that AJ Green would be a good target for the Bills.   Because he's older and coming off injury, he should be affordable, and he's always been incredibly sure-handed.  This signing would also allow the Bills to draft and develop a young WR.

 

^^^

 

This is exactly my thought.  I wouldn't be opposed to pursuing Cooper but I think Green is a more realistic target.  I would prefer that the Bills not trade for a WR1 but for the right price, it would be better than gambling on the draft.  Fans who think that the Bills don't need one now, simply don't pay attention to the rest of the NFL. 

Odds are if we were to acquire Greens services he would most likely suffer another injury. He also doest have a body of work over the past 2 years to look at. If someone asked me 3 years ago to make a trade for him I would of been all about looking into it. 

6 minutes ago, BuffaloFan68 said:

Here’s my pick - 

23. Buffalo Bills (9-3) 
Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson
The Bills have helped the second-year development of Josh Allen with veteran wide receivers John Brown (deep threat outside) and Cole Beasley (reliable slot man inside). But they still could a dangerous, all-around playmaker who can be a force in the red zone. At 6-4, 215 pounds, Higgins has posted 40 receptions for 799 yards and 8 TDs in 11 games this season.

What if the BPA on our board was LB when we are up to bat?

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40 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

We could do something like that, but it’s a numbers game, how do we resign/ extend the players we should and have that much cash left over? As I was saying to resign/ extend the players we should, our cap space is almost gone.

 

Go Bills!!!

 

What good is having "cash left over" when the team only wins 6 to 9 games a year and makes the playoffs once every two decades?  That's been the Bills modus operandus since the end of the 1990s.  If you look around the NFL, it should dawn on you that the business model established by Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon is a fail unless the team's primary aim is to maximize profits without regard to the product it puts on the field.

 

Other teams -- Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Colts, Packers, Vikings, Seahawks, and Eagles -- have consistently fielded playoff teams over the last twenty years despite the salary cap and free agency.  Numerous other teams have had cyclical periods of winning and losing.  The Bills have been notable for their ineptitude on the field, emphasized by the depressing fact that if the Bills win one more game this season, it will be their first double digit win in 20 years.  If Pegula/Beane/McDermott are truly different from their predecessors, then the Bills will figure out how to manage their roster within the salary cap to put a consistent winner on the field like most of the rest of the NFL not like the perennial bottom feeders that they've been hanging with for 2 decades.

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5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What good is having "cash left over" when the team only wins 6 to 9 games a year and makes the playoffs once every two decades?  That's been the Bills modus operandus since the end of the 1990s.  If you look around the NFL, it should dawn on you that the business model established by Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon is a fail unless the team's primary aim is to maximize profits without regard to the product it puts on the field.

 

Other teams -- Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Colts, Packers, Vikings, Seahawks, and Eagles -- have consistently fielded playoff teams over the last twenty years despite the salary cap and free agency.  Numerous other teams have had cyclical periods of winning and losing.  The Bills have been notable for their ineptitude on the field, emphasized by the depressing fact that if the Bills win one more game this season, it will be their first double digit win in 20 years.  If Pegula/Beane/McDermott are truly different from their predecessors, then the Bills will figure out how to manage their roster within the salary cap to put a consistent winner on the field like most of the rest of the NFL not like the perennial bottom feeders that they've been hanging with for 2 decades.

First, you just conveniently skip over how having a franchise QB impacts these decisions.  That is fantastic work on your part. 

 

More importantly, you write like this front office didn't walk into the situation with clear intentions and vision, and then effectively execute that vision. They are looking at two playoff appearances in their first three years. They have their franchise QB, and a young core of players that they can ride for the next ten years. It makes sense under those circumstances to have money available to afford some flexibility. 

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53 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

It’s all about value. A top DE makes Shaq and Murphy expendable. If I had to bet I’d put money on Beane going after a value veteran WR to pair with Brown and a rookie WR, pay for a DE and let Shaq and/ Murphy walk, or sign a pass rushing LBer to replace Alexander when he retires. I have faith. 

I know they will figure out how to do what needs be done, I suspect right off Murphy and Croft are going to be released, Jordan Phillips will cost 12, 13 million a year to keep, they will likely try to keep Shaq, and use some of Murphy’s money toward him. It will be entertaining to watch the maneuvering.

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27 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Odds are if we were to acquire Greens services he would most likely suffer another injury. He also doest have a body of work over the past 2 years to look at. If someone asked me 3 years ago to make a trade for him I would of been all about looking into it. 

 

Beane gambled on a C with multiple concussions.  AFAIK, Green's injuries haven't been related. 

 

27 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

What if the BPA on our board was LB when we are up to bat?

 

This is exactly why I never advocate a specific position in a specific round: you never know who's going to be available.  The classic example of this is the Packers finding QB Aaron Rodgers still on the board at their turn at #24 in 2005 when they had the great Brett Favre.   A draft position in the 20s is a great spot to pick up a great interior OLer, a LB or DB ... or if the cards fall right, a WR1 or DE.

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12 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What good is having "cash left over" when the team only wins 6 to 9 games a year and makes the playoffs once every two decades?  That's been the Bills modus operandus since the end of the 1990s.  If you look around the NFL, it should dawn on you that the business model established by Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon is a fail unless the team's primary aim is to maximize profits without regard to the product it puts on the field.

 

Other teams -- Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Colts, Packers, Vikings, Seahawks, and Eagles -- have consistently fielded playoff teams over the last twenty years despite the salary cap and free agency.  Numerous other teams have had cyclical periods of winning and losing.  The Bills have been notable for their ineptitude on the field, emphasized by the depressing fact that if the Bills win one more game this season, it will be their first double digit win in 20 years.  If Pegula/Beane/McDermott are truly different from their predecessors, then the Bills will figure out how to manage their roster within the salary cap to put a consistent winner on the field like most of the rest of the NFL not like the perennial bottom feeders that they've been hanging with for 2 decades.

The Bills have already changed from being a crappy team, and will continue that change if they don’t piss away every dime. Any smart team keeps some in reserve. 

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Lot of receivers in this draft you didnt mention 

 

Lamb 

Ruggs 

Kid from Minnesota 

Claypool from ND 

Colin johnson from texas 

 

Just to name a few more 

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1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

The Bills have already changed from being a crappy team, and will continue that change if they don’t piss away every dime. Any smart team keeps some in reserve. 

 

Maybe they are, but then again ...

 

In 2017, the Jags came out of nowhere (3-13 in 2016) to win the AFC South with a 10-6 record and eventually go to the AFC Conference Championship where they lost to eventual SB Champion Patriots.  They went 5-11 in 2018 and are currently 4-8.

 

In 2008, the Dolphins went 11-5 and won the AFCE after going 1-15 the previous year.  They didn't have another winning season until 2016 when they went 10-6 and made the WC after which they sank back to their losing ways.  This year they've got 3 wins.

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4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Maybe they are, but then again ...

 

In 2017, the Jags came out of nowhere (3-13 in 2016) to win the AFC South with a 10-6 record and eventually go to the AFC Conference Championship where they lost to eventual SB Champion Patriots.  They went 5-11 in 2018 and are currently 4-8.

 

In 2008, the Dolphins went 11-5 and won the AFCE after going 1-15 the previous year.  They didn't have another winning season until 2016 when they went 10-6 and made the WC after which they sank back to their losing ways.  This year they've got 3 wins.

Frankly I don’t give a rats azs about those teams, they had there own financial and management issues that kept them from continued success.  BB & SM are trying to not go down the road of the flash in the pan type teams, I think that is pretty obvious by the way they conduct team business. They are in it for the long haul as it were. 

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I think AJ Green would be a solid add for us, on a reasonable deal. No way he'll command what he'd get based on his first 7 seasons, after missing the last year & a half. Ih healthy, he still has another 3 seasons as a WR1.  We still draft a WR in round 1 or 2, and  AJ fills that gap while the young WR develops.This is exactly the type of move we need.

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8 hours ago, mykidsdad said:

I hope we do something GREAT this year, but I still have this nagging feeling we’re a playmaker or two away from being a true contender. I think we need to sign as many of our productive players as we can, including Philips. We also need to draft a corner and build some depth, BUT to me I feel our biggest jump can take place if we add a dynamic number one type wide receiver. I’m trying to think about who that can be, and I’m stumped. It looks like there may NOT be a lot of great options this offseason. I’m just not seeing a lot of eye popping talent. 

 

These are the best WR options that may come available: 

 

NFL FREE AGENTS

Amari Cooper (Dallas may lock him up)

Robby Anderson (not a true number one)

AJ Green (too old?)

 

DRAFT

Jerry Jeudy, ALABAMA (1st rounder, probably gone before we pick)

Jalen Reagor, TCU (probably a good chance of grabbing in the 1st)

Antonio Gandy-Golden, LU (2nd or 3rd rounder)

 

If we are serious about adding a playmaker we may need to think long and hard about trading for someone. I’m convinced we are a playmaker away from having a top 10 Offense/Defense combination. Who might come available? Fuller in Houston maybe? Diggs or Thielen in Minnesota? And would we want to spend the capitol on a deal? Are there any players or scenarios I’m missing?, ether by way of draft or FA or even trade? I feel like we’re coming into all of this cap space without a lot of good options to spend it on.

 

You can find top notch WR in all different rounds. Antonio Brown was a 5th rounder, Stefon Diggs was a 5th round pick, Adam Theilen was an undrafted rookie FA, they can be found all over and Beane is pretty darn good at drafting so there should be no need to go and trade assets when we should be able to find our guy somewhere in the draft imo. 

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Didn't we have this conversation LAST offseason?  Where are we going to get O linemen?  Any O playmakers?  No one wants to play in Buffalo!  The Coach claps too much!  The sky is falling!  

 

It's worked out OK so far, so maybe we let this off-season play out a bit (you know, once we get there)...

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We will attempt to buy one player this offseason - Edge or WR with a front loaded contract and draft the other in RD1. 

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Bills win on Thanksgiving, move to 9-3, and some fans are anxious over WR options that won't be known for months.

 

It ain't healthy to worry so much. 

 

Everything will be fine. 

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2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

We will attempt to buy one player this offseason - Edge or WR with a front loaded contract and draft the other in RD1. 

 

Pretty much how I see it being done.

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5 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

We have some coin wrapped up in Beasley, Brown, and Kroft. Drafting one may be a better option. Cooper is a damn good receiver but the price tag may be too high.

You are probably right, but it is fun to dream.  Copper would look great in Bill's blue scoring td catches from Josh.

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