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29 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

This is why he might be a bargain.  

He was wanting a nice contract extension from Cinci while hurt. IMO it just isn’t worth it at this stage of his career. 

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11 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

While WR is a big need there is no need to force it in round 1.  We also need OT and Edge. 


Buy the Edge much deeper in UFA

 

not sure about OT didn’t look to much 
 

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3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He'd be smart to test the free agent market if the Cowboys can't afford to tag him.  Limited FA options at WR's would probably lead to a bidding war for him.  The Bills would pry have to pay at least 20 to 22 million a year for him with 50 million guaranteed and I don't see Beane willing to do that if he wants to keep our defense intact.  I think we target a WR in the 1st or 2nd round.

I hope they don't rely on just the draft to bring in a top WR.

 

 

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1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I hope they don't rely on just the draft to bring in a top WR.

 

 


why? That’s how a majority of teams do it 

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3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He'd be smart to test the free agent market if the Cowboys can't afford to tag him.  Limited FA options at WR's would probably lead to a bidding war for him.  The Bills would pry have to pay at least 20 to 22 million a year for him with 50 million guaranteed and I don't see Beane willing to do that if he wants to keep our defense intact.  I think we target a WR in the 1st or 2nd round.

This ^^^

Beane, I don’t think is the type to give any player 50 mil guaranteed on top of a yearly salary outside of a QB,  just resigning/ extending the players we should will eat up the vast majority of our cap space, and that would include ridding ourselves of one TE, and one D lineman...I think we all know who those two will be.

 

Go Bills!!!

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4 hours ago, Magox said:

Maybe we should trade for Sammy Watkins.   He seems to be tearing it up in KC

 

him being a decoy (on the bench mostly) is what allows that offense to function!!! Just you wait, he's only had guys like McVay and Reid coaching him. They aren't known for being great offensive minds.

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Lots of options in the draft. 

 

I like Justin Jefferson from LSU, Tee Higgins from Clemson and Terry from FSU - WRs that go after the ball with body control and size.  The kind of guys that move the chains and can make contested catches.  The draft isn't full of blazing speed WRs(there are a few), but it is deep with good solid WR prospects.  DaVonte Smith could also be one of those guys who is a solid choice in the 2nd or 3rd round and is pretty good route runner and runner after the catch. 

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27 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:


why? That’s how a majority of teams do it 

Because they need at least two in my opinion and you are back to square one with a Zay Jones esque rookie performance at the position next year.... it takes time to adjust to the NFL, the Bills are better served with an immediate veteran playmaker considering where the team is at now and where they should be at next year. 

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52 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

This ^^^

Beane, I don’t think is the type to give any player 50 mil guaranteed on top of a yearly salary outside of a QB,  just resigning/ extending the players we should will eat up the vast majority of our cap space, and that would include ridding ourselves of one TE, and one D lineman...I think we all know who those two will be.

 

Go Bills!!!

He made an offer for Mack, so he’ll pay for edge players as well if the talent/production is there. I doubt he pays big money for a WR though unless it’s high end homegrown talent. I could see him paying a high number for a 1-2 year contract though as there’s flexibility with Allen on a rookie contract. 

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2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I'm not too worried about WR, I think that will be addressed in the draft.  I am concerned about DE/edge.

 

If it were up to me, i'm re-signing Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson, cutting Trent Murphy and then drafting an EDGE in the 2nd Round.  Making a run at a pass rushing LB to replace Lorax if he retires.

 

Hughes/Draft Pick

Star/Harry

Oliver/Phillips

Shaq/FA Pass Rushing LB

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7 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

He made an offer for Mack, so he’ll pay for edge players as well if the talent/production is there. I doubt he pays big money for a WR though unless it’s high end homegrown talent. I could see him paying a high number for a 1-2 year contract though as there’s flexibility with Allen on a rookie contract. 

We could do something like that, but it’s a numbers game, how do we resign/ extend the players we should and have that much cash left over? As I was saying to resign/ extend the players we should, our cap space is almost gone.

 

Go Bills!!!

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To further expand on the WR's available in this upcoming draft:

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2864432-ranking-the-top-10-wide-receivers-of-potentially-historic-2020-nfl-draft-class

 

This list also leaves off the likes of:

 

Chase Claypool/ ND / 6'5" 228lbs

Tamorrion Terry / FSU / 6'4" 205lbs

Tyler Johnson / Minnesota / 6'2" 200lbs

Collin Johnson / Texas / 6'4" 220lbs

Bryan Edwards / South Carolina / 6'3" 220lbs

 

There are a bunch of big, fast, and legit NFL caliber prospects @ WR for this upcoming draft. 

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We should have drafted DK Metcalf put he can't rush the quarterback

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16 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

We could do something like that, but it’s a numbers game, how do we resign/ extend the players we should and have that much cash left over? As I was saying to resign/ extend the players we should, our cap space is almost gone.

 

Go Bills!!!

It’s all about value. A top DE makes Shaq and Murphy expendable. If I had to bet I’d put money on Beane going after a value veteran WR to pair with Brown and a rookie WR, pay for a DE and let Shaq and/ Murphy walk, or sign a pass rushing LBer to replace Alexander when he retires. I have faith. 

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1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said:

We have some coin wrapped up in Beasley, Brown, and Kroft. Drafting one may be a better option. Cooper is a damn good receiver but the price tag may be too high.

 

The problem is that the draft is a crap-shoot and that's especially true for WRs.  Moreover, it can easily take 2 or 3 years to develop a NFL WR.  The Bills can't afford to wait that long to get a WR1 if they want to take advantage of Allen's rookie contract.

 

1 hour ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

This is why he might be a bargain.  

 

I think that AJ Green would be a good target for the Bills.   Because he's older and coming off injury, he should be affordable, and he's always been incredibly sure-handed.  This signing would also allow the Bills to draft and develop a young WR.

 

27 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:


why? That’s how a majority of teams do it 

^^^

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Because they need at least two in my opinion and you back to square one with a Zay Jones esque rookie performance at the position next year.... it takes time to adjust to the NFL, the Bills are better served with an immediate veteran playmaker considering where the team is at now and where they should be at next year. 

 

This is exactly my thought.  I wouldn't be opposed to pursuing Cooper but I think Green is a more realistic target.  I would prefer that the Bills not trade for a WR1 but for the right price, it would be better than gambling on the draft.  Fans who think that the Bills don't need one now, simply don't pay attention to the rest of the NFL. 

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Here’s my pick - 

23. Buffalo Bills (9-3) 
Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson
The Bills have helped the second-year development of Josh Allen with veteran wide receivers John Brown (deep threat outside) and Cole Beasley (reliable slot man inside). But they still could a dangerous, all-around playmaker who can be a force in the red zone. At 6-4, 215 pounds, Higgins has posted 40 receptions for 799 yards and 8 TDs in 11 games this season.

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10 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

 

The problem is that the draft is a crap-shoot and that's especially true for WRs.  Moreover, it can easily take 2 or 3 years to develop a NFL WR.  The Bills can't afford to wait that long to get a WR1 if they want to take advantage of Allen's rookie contract.

 

 

I think that AJ Green would be a good target for the Bills.   Because he's older and coming off injury, he should be affordable, and he's always been incredibly sure-handed.  This signing would also allow the Bills to draft and develop a young WR.

 

^^^

 

This is exactly my thought.  I wouldn't be opposed to pursuing Cooper but I think Green is a more realistic target.  I would prefer that the Bills not trade for a WR1 but for the right price, it would be better than gambling on the draft.  Fans who think that the Bills don't need one now, simply don't pay attention to the rest of the NFL. 

Odds are if we were to acquire Greens services he would most likely suffer another injury. He also doest have a body of work over the past 2 years to look at. If someone asked me 3 years ago to make a trade for him I would of been all about looking into it. 

6 minutes ago, BuffaloFan68 said:

Here’s my pick - 

23. Buffalo Bills (9-3) 
Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson
The Bills have helped the second-year development of Josh Allen with veteran wide receivers John Brown (deep threat outside) and Cole Beasley (reliable slot man inside). But they still could a dangerous, all-around playmaker who can be a force in the red zone. At 6-4, 215 pounds, Higgins has posted 40 receptions for 799 yards and 8 TDs in 11 games this season.

What if the BPA on our board was LB when we are up to bat?

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40 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

We could do something like that, but it’s a numbers game, how do we resign/ extend the players we should and have that much cash left over? As I was saying to resign/ extend the players we should, our cap space is almost gone.

 

Go Bills!!!

 

What good is having "cash left over" when the team only wins 6 to 9 games a year and makes the playoffs once every two decades?  That's been the Bills modus operandus since the end of the 1990s.  If you look around the NFL, it should dawn on you that the business model established by Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon is a fail unless the team's primary aim is to maximize profits without regard to the product it puts on the field.

 

Other teams -- Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Colts, Packers, Vikings, Seahawks, and Eagles -- have consistently fielded playoff teams over the last twenty years despite the salary cap and free agency.  Numerous other teams have had cyclical periods of winning and losing.  The Bills have been notable for their ineptitude on the field, emphasized by the depressing fact that if the Bills win one more game this season, it will be their first double digit win in 20 years.  If Pegula/Beane/McDermott are truly different from their predecessors, then the Bills will figure out how to manage their roster within the salary cap to put a consistent winner on the field like most of the rest of the NFL not like the perennial bottom feeders that they've been hanging with for 2 decades.

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5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What good is having "cash left over" when the team only wins 6 to 9 games a year and makes the playoffs once every two decades?  That's been the Bills modus operandus since the end of the 1990s.  If you look around the NFL, it should dawn on you that the business model established by Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon is a fail unless the team's primary aim is to maximize profits without regard to the product it puts on the field.

 

Other teams -- Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Colts, Packers, Vikings, Seahawks, and Eagles -- have consistently fielded playoff teams over the last twenty years despite the salary cap and free agency.  Numerous other teams have had cyclical periods of winning and losing.  The Bills have been notable for their ineptitude on the field, emphasized by the depressing fact that if the Bills win one more game this season, it will be their first double digit win in 20 years.  If Pegula/Beane/McDermott are truly different from their predecessors, then the Bills will figure out how to manage their roster within the salary cap to put a consistent winner on the field like most of the rest of the NFL not like the perennial bottom feeders that they've been hanging with for 2 decades.

First, you just conveniently skip over how having a franchise QB impacts these decisions.  That is fantastic work on your part. 

 

More importantly, you write like this front office didn't walk into the situation with clear intentions and vision, and then effectively execute that vision. They are looking at two playoff appearances in their first three years. They have their franchise QB, and a young core of players that they can ride for the next ten years. It makes sense under those circumstances to have money available to afford some flexibility. 

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53 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

It’s all about value. A top DE makes Shaq and Murphy expendable. If I had to bet I’d put money on Beane going after a value veteran WR to pair with Brown and a rookie WR, pay for a DE and let Shaq and/ Murphy walk, or sign a pass rushing LBer to replace Alexander when he retires. I have faith. 

I know they will figure out how to do what needs be done, I suspect right off Murphy and Croft are going to be released, Jordan Phillips will cost 12, 13 million a year to keep, they will likely try to keep Shaq, and use some of Murphy’s money toward him. It will be entertaining to watch the maneuvering.

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27 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Odds are if we were to acquire Greens services he would most likely suffer another injury. He also doest have a body of work over the past 2 years to look at. If someone asked me 3 years ago to make a trade for him I would of been all about looking into it. 

 

Beane gambled on a C with multiple concussions.  AFAIK, Green's injuries haven't been related. 

 

27 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

What if the BPA on our board was LB when we are up to bat?

 

This is exactly why I never advocate a specific position in a specific round: you never know who's going to be available.  The classic example of this is the Packers finding QB Aaron Rodgers still on the board at their turn at #24 in 2005 when they had the great Brett Favre.   A draft position in the 20s is a great spot to pick up a great interior OLer, a LB or DB ... or if the cards fall right, a WR1 or DE.

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12 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What good is having "cash left over" when the team only wins 6 to 9 games a year and makes the playoffs once every two decades?  That's been the Bills modus operandus since the end of the 1990s.  If you look around the NFL, it should dawn on you that the business model established by Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon is a fail unless the team's primary aim is to maximize profits without regard to the product it puts on the field.

 

Other teams -- Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Colts, Packers, Vikings, Seahawks, and Eagles -- have consistently fielded playoff teams over the last twenty years despite the salary cap and free agency.  Numerous other teams have had cyclical periods of winning and losing.  The Bills have been notable for their ineptitude on the field, emphasized by the depressing fact that if the Bills win one more game this season, it will be their first double digit win in 20 years.  If Pegula/Beane/McDermott are truly different from their predecessors, then the Bills will figure out how to manage their roster within the salary cap to put a consistent winner on the field like most of the rest of the NFL not like the perennial bottom feeders that they've been hanging with for 2 decades.

The Bills have already changed from being a crappy team, and will continue that change if they don’t piss away every dime. Any smart team keeps some in reserve. 

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