dollars 2 donuts Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) Schop said yesterday even with help the Bills can’t really catch the Pats, or something to that effect. However, if the Pats lose to either the Texans or the Chiefs and the Bills win out, wouldn’t the Bills and Pats both be 13-3, but the Bills would be 10-2 in the conference while the Pats would be 9-3? The division would be a tie at 5-1, but I thought they would go to afc record before point differential. Not an in-depth post here, but thoughts would be appreciated. Edit: we would also have home field advantage due to our win over the Ravens. GO BILLS! Edited November 29, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I believe the tie breaker before conference games is common opponents, which we would lose. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, Watkins101 said: I believe the tie breaker before conference games is common opponents, which we would lose. F*** 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klumzyfule66 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Pats would have to lose vs Cinci or Miami, in addition to us winning out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, klumzyfule66 said: Pats would have to lose vs Cinci or Miami, in addition to us winning out. Damn. In other words, Bills are looking like the 5 seed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Ran scenarios yesterday. Pats Wins - Either Houston or Kansas City, Cincinnati, Miami Loses - Eithet Houston or Kansas City, Buffalo Buffalo Wins out. Both 13-3, it had New England in 1st and Buffalo in 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, klumzyfule66 said: Pats would have to lose vs Cinci or Miami, in addition to us winning out. 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: Damn. In other words, Bills are looking like the 5 seed Ok, let’s not talk crazy...they could lose to both Texans and Chiefs and we could leap frog them record wise, 13-3 to 12-4. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Yesterday’s result allows us to daydream in the what ifs, and this is a good one. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 All I know is that we are going into December, with four games left, and the Bills are only a game and a half behind the Pats*** - with a chance at winning the Division. No matter how unlikely it might be that they win the Division, it is a lot better than where they typically are this time of year... 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Ok, let’s not talk crazy...they could lose to both Texans and Chiefs and we could leap frog them record wise, 13-3 to 12-4. Possible but not likely . And that also is assuming Bills beat Baltimore and win at NE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Yesterday’s result allows us to daydream in the what ifs, and this is a good one. You are gorgeous human being whose likeness should be common place on Mount Olympus with the other deities. ...just a rough estimate on my part. 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: Possible but not likely . And that also is assuming Bills beat Baltimore and win at NE Yeah, BF, but it is more likely than the suggested losses to Miami and Cincy. Edited November 29, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 NFL Tiebreaking Procedures ...To Break A Tie Within A Division If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined. Two Clubs Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in common games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format). Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in common games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss To Break A Tie For The Wild-Card Team If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps. Two Clubs Head-to-head, if applicable. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in conference games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss. Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.) Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in conference games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth. ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: All I know is that we are going into December, with four games left, and the Bills are only a game and a half behind the Pats*** - with a chance at winning the Division. No matter how unlikely it might be that they win the Division, it is a lot better than where they typically are this time of year... For sure! CBS was showing teams’ seedlings, and when the went to the “still in it” screen I had a good laugh knowing that’s where our team usually is even when we think they’re doing well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I actually predict that by game 17, both teams will have locked down their slots and only the scrubs will be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheBuffAllTheTime Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) Best possible Bills record is 13-3. Bills need to win-out to take the division unless the Pats have a meltdown (or TB blows knee). Tie-breaker at 13-3 goes to the Pats. (#3 Common Opponents due to Bills losses to PHI and CLE. NE hopeful losses to HOU, KC are not common opponents and they are not plausibly losing to CIN or MIA) Pats would need to finish no better than 12-4. Best way to those 3 additional losses are against HOU, KC, and BUF. Edited November 29, 2019 by ProeBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I think it's just as likely the Pats lose the next two, as it is that we win out. That being said, for both to happen seems unlikely. I expect us to finish 11-5, but 12 and 4 seems very likely at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, jav said: Tiebreakers are: 1)Head-to-head 2)Division record 3)Conference record 4)Common opponents So if Pats lose one AFC game and we win out then we win the division based on tiebreaker #3 it goes to common games before the conference record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 We got banged by the ***** of the NFC L-East not being able to do jack against the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 NE losses to the Texans Chefs & Bills Buffalo wins out 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) If Buffalo wins out, and New England wins out with the exception of losses to Buffalo and Miami, Buffalo would win the division. No other single loss for the Patriots would give Buffalo the tie breaker advantage, so we must finish a game ahead. ASSUMING BUF WINS OUT--New England needs to lose any two of Hou/KC/Cin.. or, again, just lose to the Dolphins. Source: http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine Edited November 29, 2019 by JohnnyGold 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Schop said yesterday even with help the Bills can’t really catch the Pats, or something to that effect. welp. I guess it’s time to ignore him. Houston, KC, Buffalo. if the Putz lose those and the Bills beat Baltimore, Pittsburgh and NE. The division is theirs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Lets beat Baltimore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Unless the Pats lose to either the Bengals or Miami then we have to have a better record in order to win division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Using the ESPN machine and the above scenarios the Bills could be the #1 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 49 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I actually predict that by game 17, both teams will have locked down their slots and only the scrubs will be playing. this is very likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The way that this team brings it on the road, let’s just get into the playoffs!! No one will want to play us!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The Pats look very vulnerable and their strength of opponent is very similar to ours. I would not be surprised to see the Pats lose to The Texans, Chiefs and us. If we win out, we would own the AFC East for the first time since 1995. If you are going to dream, dream BIG..... GO Bills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The cowboys being screwed by the refs against the Pats is going to haunt us.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, artmalibu said: The cowboys being screwed by the refs against the Pats is going to haunt us.... I would say us blowing the browns game will hurt more. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Process said: I would say us blowing the browns game will hurt more. Or have a blocked punt against the Pats..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: We got banged by the ***** of the NFC L-East not being able to do jack against the Pats. Well we didn't beat them either. That's the real banging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: Well we didn't beat them either. That's the real banging. We were 3-4 against them, but that Eagles game is a stinger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: We were 3-4 against them, but that Eagles game is a stinger. I meant beating the Patriots. We, like the division you mentioned, couldn't beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, MJS said: I meant beating the Patriots. We, like the division you mentioned, couldn't beat them. Gotcha. Yeah, definitely coulda changed the shape of the season... I still think we pull it out with Allen in there in the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: We got banged by the ***** of the NFC L-East not being able to do jack against the Pats. It cut both ways we only lost one to the NFC Least, which I had us splitting with. Luckily they proved me wrong. 18 minutes ago, MJS said: I meant beating the Patriots. We, like the division you mentioned, couldn't beat them. Not yet.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I think the most realistic scenario for us winning the AFCE is the Pats losing to the Texans, Chiefs and Bills, while we win out. They’re not losing to the Bengals or Dolphins and the tie-breakers don’t work in our favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Ok, let’s not talk crazy...they could lose to both Texans and Chiefs and we could leap frog them record wise, 13-3 to 12-4. But they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I'd settle for winning out. Division winners or no, 13-3 is a good regular season record, and I am pretty sure we're locked in for the playoffs at 11-5 or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: You are gorgeous human being whose likeness should be common place on Mount Olympus with the other deities. ...just a rough estimate on my part. Yeah, BF, but it is more likely than the suggested losses to Miami and Cincy. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Lets just say Bills win out as crazy as that sounds. Pats* win all games except Bills up to week 17. Pats* have to play starters and win against Miami. If not they have a 4-2 Division record and Bills a 5-1. Forget Andy Dalton, Fitzmagic would be a GOD in Buffalo. LOL 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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