peterpan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Didn't see this posted. The video speaks for itself. This, plus those two obvious "tripping' calls are just the latest in the MOUNTAIN of evidence that something is truely fishy between the league and the Cheatiots. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 they spotted the ball incorrectly from what i read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 They spot the ball wrong once or twice a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 the TWO horribly called tripping calls were bizarre indeed. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 ...not to worry!!....Schiff will be available shortly and has already hired Colombo and Matlock to lead the "rigging accusations".....SMH.... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, dneveu said: they spotted the ball incorrectly from what i read Can you elaborate or link please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Chin Lee Wow never spotted Kraft's balls wrongly 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: They spot the ball wrong once or twice a game. Actually, they spot the ball “wrong” on virtually every play other than an incomplete pass or a pre-snap penalty, if only because it is impossible to mark forward progress accurately without some kind of sensors in the tips of the ball. And then after 3 guesses about what that forward progress was, they bring out the old 19th century chains and sticks and show that the offense came up half an inch short of a 1st down. And everyone acts as if this is an obvious truth. Such is the weird NFL blend of “good enough for a game” ancient practice and modern high-def replay technology ... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Fact of the matter is they made it to where the Cowboys had to get 11 yards for a first down. Nothing can make me hate the Pats more than I already do at this point though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, peterpan said: Can you elaborate or link please? oh please. I’m all for Putz conspiracies but sorry that is lame. try Google NFL bad ball spot https://amp.si.com/extra-mustard/2019/09/13/friday-hot-clicks-buccaneers-panthers-refs-ball-spot-video Easy peasy Edited November 27, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, peterpan said: Didn't see this posted. The video speaks for itself. This, plus those two obvious "tripping' calls are just the latest in the MOUNTAIN of evidence that something is truely fishy between the league and the Cheatiots. Careful there are alot of *pats apologists on here. They don’t want you to take away their moment of watching Little tom makeout with kraft and belly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 It’s a lot easier to accept the fact when you know this is entertainment. Games are scripted and outcomes are pre-determined. Refs are just following orders from the top. https://truepundit.com/current-nfl-linebacker-on-suspension-drops-bomb-nfl-games-are-rigged/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 wait they don’t still use the 10-yd chain between the “original line-of-scrimmage” marker and the first down marker? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, H2o said: Fact of the matter is they made it to where the Cowboys had to get 11 yards for a first down. Nothing can make me hate the Pats more than I already do at this point though. that's how i interpreted the video as well, i get the miss-spotting but this was a 1st and 10 to start and then they gain 4 yards effectively making it 2nd and 6, then the 1st down marker gets moved out an additional yard. the 1st down ball spot was already established, miss-spotting the ball shouldn't effect the next 1st down marker right? both the CGI graphic and line were set also. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: oh please. I’m all for Putz conspiracies but sorry that is lame. try Google NFL bad ball spot https://amp.si.com/extra-mustard/2019/09/13/friday-hot-clicks-buccaneers-panthers-refs-ball-spot-video Easy peasy Did you even watch the video in question? It has nothing to do with 'spotting the ball'. The ref moved the first down line so Dallas had to get 11 yards for a first. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, RiotAct said: wait they don’t still use the 10-yd chain between the “original line-of-scrimmage” marker and the first down marker? That was my thought as well. I understand spotting the ball wrong but how did they spot the marker wrong if the chain is only 10yds long? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Estelle Getty said: Careful there are alot of *pats apologists on here. They don’t want you to take away their moment of watching Little tom makeout with kraft and belly 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: They spot the ball wrong once or twice a game. 33 minutes ago, dneveu said: they spotted the ball incorrectly from what i read This cant be a case of spotting the ball wrong because they had already played first down. Watch it again. 1st from just after the 15 yard line. First down would have been just after the 5 yard line. It was on second down that they moved the marker to just after the 4 yard line. They effectively made Dallas go 11 yards for a first down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The Best way to beat the Patriots is to Drive Tom Brady into the turf, late hit or not and send him to the little tent on the sidelines. Worth a 15 yard penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 What was the result of that 3rd and 7, supposed to be 6, play? Would be really f'd up if they gained 6 and moving that marker forced them to take the field goal. I don't remember.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronthebaron Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I hate the Pats as much as anyone here, but making them win is bad for the NFL, no one outside New England wants to watch them win again, ratings would take another hit if the Pats are in the Super Bowl. They want an exciting game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said: What was the result of that 3rd and 7, supposed to be 6, play? Would be really f'd up if they gained 6 and moving that marker forced them to take the field goal. I don't remember.. 2 yard pass to the NE 9. So if the marker never moved they would have been a touch over 4 yards short. Still messed up none the less. 1 minute ago, Aaronthebaron said: I hate the Pats as much as anyone here, but making them win is bad for the NFL, no one outside New England wants to watch them win again, ratings would take another hit if the Pats are in the Super Bowl. They want an exciting game. Unfortunately people still watch hoping to see the Pats lose. Edited November 27, 2019 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Let's just kick their ass so bad that even the cheating refs and NFL can't help them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) There is nothing altruistic about the NFL what so ever. That is all, Edited November 27, 2019 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: The league has always been “rigged” its is a privately owned organization, and a corporate monopoly, come on people, some billionaires have more sway than others, and the other billionaires don’t care as long as the cash rolls in. That some billionaires have more sway, sure, no doubt. But that the others don't care as long as money comes in? These dudes are competitive! They want to win, to bask in the glory. They already have boatloads of cash. No way they'd stand idles as they are robbed of the spotlight. Just think who gets to hoist the Superbowl trophy first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 47 minutes ago, Estelle Getty said: watching Little tom makeout with kraft and belly you post this a lot, psychiatrists call it “projection” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Aren't there markers on both sides of the field, though? Did they move both? The chyron still said 3rd & 6, even after the marker was moved a yard. The yellow line followed the marker, though. So do we know this materially affected any call on the field, or is this akin to the stadium timekeeper messing with the unofficial and irrelevant game clock, which isn't impactful because the official time is ultimately kept on the field? What is distressing about the above isn't that "the Cowboys had an yard added on a single drive." It's "what if that play had come down to a measurement?" That the marker can be move at all calls into question the validity of any first-down measurement performed. Next time a QB is denied a first down on a sneak on 4th and inches, how are we supposed to trust that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: you post this a lot, psychiatrists call it “projection” Just twice, psychiatrists call your statement an exaggeration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I think they put the chain at the 15 and 5, but spotted the ball at the 14... So they move the marker to the 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said: Chin Lee Wow never spotted Kraft's balls wrongly Oh no, the wong spot?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Enough. There is no fix by the refs. Great teams and great players get the benefit of the doubt. Let it go. The league locked the refs out. The refs aren't doing any favors for anyone. Now Goodell destroying the tapes is a different matter. That was BS. The Bills can beat them on the road. In fact they can beat them soundly if the team does not get overhyped. The Bills play like they have to be perfect to win. They don't. They just need to play with some composure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I can tell some people here haven’t actually played football. The official chain is on one side of the field, on the other side is a guy holding a marker and the chevron marker. He’s meant to look across the field and line it up to the official one. You can clearly see this isn’t the side with the official chain because look back 10 yards and there’s no other marker. Clearly the official who’s meant to eye it up didn’t get it right but that doesn’t matter, it’s not the official one. It’s only there so if someone runs to that side they have a rough idea where they need to get to. Sorry, no cheating to see here. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...not to worry!!....Schiff will be available shortly and has already hired Colombo and Matlock to lead the "rigging accusations".....SMH.... you been down in that dungeon too long... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 hours ago, peterpan said: Non N.E. conspirator here, but that did seem bit odd. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Elvis is alive, moon landing was B.S. and Paul wasn't the Walrus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: I can tell some people here haven’t actually played football. The official chain is on one side of the field, on the other side is a guy holding a marker and the chevron marker. He’s meant to look across the field and line it up to the official one. You can clearly see this isn’t the side with the official chain because look back 10 yards and there’s no other marker. Clearly the official who’s meant to eye it up didn’t get it right but that doesn’t matter, it’s not the official one. It’s only there so if someone runs to that side they have a rough idea where they need to get to. Sorry, no cheating to see here. So then why was first down played 11 from the moved marker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) So, I went to NFL.com and looked at the game logs. There was a deep pass just before this play and a 15 yard penalty tacked on to the end of the play. There is actually a highlight of the play. It looks to me as if the error was not in moving the marker but the initial placing of the ball after the penalty. It appears they spotted the ball a yard short of where it was supposed to be. They should have placed the ball at the 14 yard line and not the 15. From the highlight, to me, it actually looks like he got stopped at the 28 not the 29 which to me the ball should have been at the 13... that however could just be the camera angle. Either way they got screwed by a yard from a mistake somewhere along the lines. Don't think in this case "the fix was in" but just more incompetence. It is here:https://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2019112409/2019/REG12/cowboys@patriots 2nd qtr in the field goal portion that made it 6-10 Edited November 27, 2019 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: Chin Lee Wow never spotted Kraft's balls wrongly Wait... you mean ti say that Robert Kraft has spotted balls? Is that contagious? Does that make Tom the next victim? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: Careful there are alot of *pats apologists on here. They don’t want you to take away their moment of watching Little tom makeout with kraft and belly I like the cut of your jib Estelle Edited November 27, 2019 by Sherlock Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Also. As much as I’d like to believe it. The yellow line is not officially the marker. I’d like to see the Closer end of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Also. As much as I’d like to believe it. The yellow line is not officially the marker. I’d like to see the Closer end of the field. Anyway you look at it its 11 yards from first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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