Success Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Not sure if anyone has noticed, but kickers are missing everything this season. That last kick for Hausch was certainly not automatic. We blew it in the last minute and could have easily gotten to a more reasonable range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Chill said: Our kicker is a mental case Isn't this basically true of all kickers? They're an odd bunch. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Sounds like he needs to get his rocks off before the game & at halftime. Perhaps even a cigarette afterwards. 8 minutes ago, eball said: Isn't this basically true of all kickers? They're an odd bunch. The ice hockey goalies of football. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, eball said: Isn't this basically true of all kickers? They're an odd bunch. ...nothing that weekend sessions with Dr Ruth can't fix........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 If he’s not feeling good mentally maybe he should play for a California team where they give you 10 mental health days once u use your sick days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 54 minutes ago, Success said: Not sure if anyone has noticed, but kickers are missing everything this season. That last kick for Hausch was certainly not automatic. We blew it in the last minute and could have easily gotten to a more reasonable range. Like 34 yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 10 hours ago, MJS said: Such dumb posts. Beane and McDermott try to win just as much as other coaches and they move on from players all the time, regardless of culture fit. Bingo. And lots of teams in the league have been struggling to find consistent kickers for the past few years. For whatever reason there seems to be a lack of that talent in the NFL right now. when they make such a big emphasis on it. In media and such you can’t tell me that it isn’t thought about a lot when evaluating players. and fact is they extended a Kicker the is Trending downward in 2 years. 1 hour ago, mabden said: Not really. He was hurt by a cheap shot towards the end of last year that effected his kicking and has been very good this year until last Sunday. 61% this year. Yeah that isn’t very good. Sorry can’t handle the fact he has been bad for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 12 hours ago, vincec said: First we need to hear about his feelings. What do you want him to do? Refuse to answer questions? Lie? It's not like he tried to avoid blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 You have one job to do. Stop making excuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 12 hours ago, OZBILLS said: But he is a good man. A family man. McBeane will not make this call. Enough with the truly idiotic nonsense. We got the whole "he he won't make the call" nonsense with Peko. And then Peko was waived. If you seriously think that McDermott won't let people go for reasons like these you're just wrong and obviously so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 To all the guys saying / yelling just get a new kicker, have you been paying attention this year? Lots of teams with kicking struggles, and many of them who have made a switch, not always with better results. Who are you signing that will be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I hate to ask but are the stats showing kickers are missing a lot more than recent years? of course a PAT will be harder moving it back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Success said: Not sure if anyone has noticed, but kickers are missing everything this season. That last kick for Hausch was certainly not automatic. We blew it in the last minute and could have easily gotten to a more reasonable range. Yeah, it's been a terrible year for kickers and it's not clear why. Are they making the balls differently? I think we'd have heard about it if they had. I guess it might be that STs have gotten ever so slightly better at blocking kicks and they're trying to slightly hurry the kicks? Maybe? Dunno, really. But he didn't lose the game for us. Plenty of blame to go around in that game. But he certainly didn't perform well, most specifically on that first kick. 1 minute ago, row_33 said: I hate to ask but are the stats showing kickers are missing a lot more than recent years? of course a PAT will be harder moving it back... Yes, I read an article a day or two ago saying that not so many kicks had been missed since - this is from memory so it's only approximate - 2009, if I remember right. It was a while anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: Isn't this basically true of all kickers? They're an odd bunch. He has a really intricate/neurotic routine. I will try to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 11 hours ago, OZBILLS said: I think they place a huge emphasis on cultural fit. ‘CULTURE’ is actually a yuuuuuge factor in NFL success, let alone life. Everyone should listen weekly to the Lombardi podcasts, a modern day genius on nailing aspects of various NFL orgs and a pretty decent prognosticator ATS (26-13-2) . They are very, very funny as well! He has worked for a couple of legends of the game and is friends with Billy B. The ‘Culture’ excerpt from his book:’ Gridiron Genius’. CULTURE COMES FIRST. You can have the best game plan (or strategy or tactics) , the best team (or product or service) and the best players (or engineers or salespeople) and you may achieve short term success. But if you haven’t created an underlying ecosystem of excellence, short term success is all that it will be. Lombardi’s other critical points: PRESS EVERY EDGE ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE ANY EDGE MAY MATTER ANYTIME SYSTEM OVER STARS LEADERSHIP IS A LONGTERM PROPOSITION YOU’RE NEVER DONE GETTING BETTER (Of Course, whether any of these bullets reside at OBD- is the ONLY question!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 The bills did him no favors, by making him kick from that distance on a windy day. Call a better offensive play on third down, to get to a more makeable field goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Chill said: Great. Our kicker is a mental case. He needs to be replaced. He WILL cost us another game. smh. What kicker isn't a "mental case"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, mabden said: Not really. He was hurt by a cheap shot towards the end of last year that effected his kicking and has been very good this year until last Sunday. Negative. He is 4 of his last 10 from 50 +, that is some high school level ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, wagon127 said: The bills did him no favors, by making him kick from that distance on a windy day. Call a better offensive play on third down, to get to a more makeable field goal. 100% Agree. BOTH Daboll & McD were clueless about his 0 for 50 yard attempts, Daboll more so, by NOT calling the T.O. on 3rd. Down to get the best possible 8-10 yard play for Allen. Which would have meant a makeable 40 odd yard kick! EVERYONE watching the game saw the graphic! Edited November 14, 2019 by Billsatlastin2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 44 minutes ago, row_33 said: I hate to ask but are the stats showing kickers are missing a lot more than recent years? of course a PAT will be harder moving it back... Yes, kicking in general is way down this season. It's odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: 100% Agree. BOTH Daboll & McD were clueless about his 0 for 50 yard attempts, Daboll more so, by NOT calling the T.O. on 3rd. Down to get the best possible 8-10 yard play for Allen. Which would have meant a makeable 40 odd yard kick! EVERYONE watching the game saw the graphic! Exactly, and it doesn't matter if he has made all of his 50 yard attempts this year. You still put your players in the best position to make plays. No matter what their role. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that 40-45 yard field goals are significantly easier for NFL kickers then 50+. Edited November 14, 2019 by wagon127 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t envy the life of a kicker. Does he tell the ST coach when he’s not feeling good about his kicking or no? When a kicker travels down this emotional roller coaster then he has 2 choices- dig deep and pull out of it or begin seeking other employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Damn, there are a lot of over-reactions here. This happens all the time in sports. As an example, it is common for major league pitchers in baseball to “not have their best stuff”, but that doesn’t mean they pull themselves out of the game. They do their best to find a way to get outs and make it through without feeling 100%. Nothing unusual at all in my opinion, and I credit Hauschka for his honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 14 hours ago, OZBILLS said: But he is a good man. A family man. McBeane will not make this call. Well.... we can't fix it midseason. The options are not great. I do think they'll bring in some competition again though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I have an idea. Let put out a poll on who we should have kept : Chase McLaughlin or Hauschka ? Oh, that's right. Never mind. This board is funny sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 same old BIlls with their special teams philosophy fiddle dee deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) Most, if not all, NFL players aren't 100%. These guys all play through pain we can't imagine. God help them if they might actually admit that. My guess on Hauschka and Milano (another guy people are yelling about after his injury) is they're getting so much Toradol that it's hurting their play. But we'll never know about it, as nearly all players never reveal the extent of what they go through just to play on Sunday. I'm not ready to throw HauschMoney under the bus just yet. Edited November 14, 2019 by Freddie's Dead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Just now, Freddie's Dead said: Most, if not all, NFL players aren't 100%. These guys all play through pain we can't imagine. God help them if they might actually admit that. My guess on Hauschka and Milano (another guy people are yelling about after his injury) are they're getting so much Toradol that it's hurting their play. But we'll never know about it, as nearly all players never reveal the extent of what they go through just to play on Sunday. I'm not ready to throw HauschMoney under the bus just yet. I have read how everyone who plays in an NFL game is injured to some extent, nobody is pain free during their careers, and often the rest of their lives 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 This guy is a loser. He’s been trending down since the end of last year. Remember when he was short on extra points? What the heck? We need to be looking ASAP. It’s completely unacceptable that this guy felt that way and didn’t let the coaches know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, whorlnut said: This guy is a loser. He’s been trending down since the end of last year. Remember when he was short on extra points? What the heck? We need to be looking ASAP. It’s completely unacceptable that this guy felt that way and didn’t let the coaches know. the Eagles lost their kicker the last week of the 77 or 78 season and Vermeil went with the punter of course he biffed a gimme for the win in the WC game against the Falcons a few people in the room had $$$ on the Eagles and totally lost their ***** on that fiasco and punter Michel missed a PAT and another FG as well, per the comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Did we lose the Super Bowl or something . Just find a way to get Hausch to kick from the Left hash mark The anatomy of a kicker http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/special-teams-film-study-nfl/2015/12/21/introducing-chandler-catanzaro-the-nfls-next-great-kicker-is-already-here/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Why didn't he just tell mcD? maybe he would've actually ran a play on 4th and 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Maybe he needs a mental health day?? 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: Most, if not all, NFL players aren't 100%. These guys all play through pain we can't imagine. God help them if they might actually admit that. My guess on Hauschka and Milano (another guy people are yelling about after his injury) is they're getting so much Toradol that it's hurting their play. But we'll never know about it, as nearly all players never reveal the extent of what they go through just to play on Sunday. I'm not ready to throw HauschMoney under the bus just yet. Hey i just had a hip replacement done so i CAN imagine it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, dneveu said: Why didn't he just tell mcD? maybe he would've actually ran a play on 4th and 4? maybe they could have run a play on 3rd and 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: maybe they could have run a play on 3rd and 4 Or called timeout... to call a play - and either clock it or have a 2nd play prepared. We basically took a timeout and didn't use it (i know we technically used it)... its not like it carrys over to OT or another game. Be smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Sure Hauschka has had some recent issues but give the guy a chance and let’s see if he still has the mental and physical skillset to get back on track. I’m not the astute X’s and O’s football guy a lot of you guys are (no sarcasm intended at all—I respect lots of you)—but I look at kickers like relievers in MLB—they run hot and cold—a guy who is demoted after blowing up in the bottom of the 9th can get his mojo back and guys who are released get back into form with new teams. We won two games solely BECAUSE of the performance of opposing kickers—let’s be honest here—the missed FGs are easy for some to use as a scapegoat but put blame where it lays—with the guys calling the plays and making those decisions. The missed FGs wouldn’t have even been an issue if the game plan had been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Football is a ruthless business and as good as Hauschka used to be and as nice a guy as he seems, if he cant make kicks like he had in Cleveland then he needs to go. The really unfortunate thing about kickers is once they lose their mojo, they have a really hard time getting it back. Look at Norwood. Pretty solid kicker until he missed in Tampa and then never the same again. Vanderjagt was the same in Indy. The guy was great in the CFL and then became the most accurate kicker in the NFL but after a few brutal misses (that one vs Pittsburgh) he was basically crap. What bugs me is that that Hauschka has been showing some signs this year of erratic kicking and yet McD still played it safe for the kick vs the Browns when it was a long way out. If the ST coordinator or Daboll or McD had paid attention they would have realized that Hauschka's chances of making that kick were pretty low and his confidence was probably shaky after missing a 34 yard one earlier. I have no idea why they didn't go for it on 4th down or call a timeout before that to think it over. They all reacted like deer in the headlights rather than thinking a few steps ahead. Also if Hauschka had a problem with the way his legs were feeling or where is head was at, did he communicate this to the coaches?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Football is a ruthless business and as good as Hauschka used to be and as nice a guy as he seems, if he cant make kicks like he had in Cleveland then he needs to go. The really unfortunate thing about kickers is once they lose their mojo, they have a really hard time getting it back. Look at Norwood. Pretty solid kicker until he missed in Tampa and then never the same again. Vanderjagt was the same in Indy. The guy was great in the CFL and then became the most accurate kicker in the NFL but after a few brutal misses (that one vs Pittsburgh) he was basically crap. What bugs me is that that Hauschka has been showing some signs this year of erratic kicking and yet McD still played it safe for the kick vs the Browns when it was a long way out. If the ST coordinator or Daboll or McD had paid attention they would have realized that Hauschka's chances of making that kick were pretty low and his confidence was probably shaky after missing a 34 yard one earlier. I have no idea why they didn't go for it on 4th down or call a timeout before that to think it over. They all reacted like deer in the headlights rather than thinking a few steps ahead. Also if Hauschka had a problem with the way his legs were feeling or where is head was at, did he communicate this to the coaches?? a reasonable play on 3rd and 4 would have been fine after piddling away 25 seconds off the clock.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: Hey i just had a hip replacement done so i CAN imagine it... Gentlemen, we can rebuild him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, dneveu said: Or called timeout... to call a play - and either clock it or have a 2nd play prepared. We basically took a timeout and didn't use it (i know we technically used it)... its not like it carrys over to OT or another game. Be smart. it was a very very bad bungling of a clutch moment it's early in McD's career so he gets a few of them Andy Reid is perfect in botching this kind of winnable situation in the last 2 minutes, and he's worshipped by the media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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