Kaepernick's Agents Announce Tryout (edited title)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, wppete said:

Actually Kaepernick and his representatives could in fact be setting up for a second collusion case and this Saturday Workout could be what shuts the second case down. Look it up, a lot of lawyers talking about this... Florio mentions it I. This article this morning also..... this has nothing to do with his football skillset anymore. Pure lawyer play.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/12/nfl-not-colin-kaepernick-arranged-saturday-workout/

 

 

 

I would be very surprised if the undisclosed terms of the collusion agreement did not include holding the NFL harmless from further suit.

Lawyers and Florio can say anything they like, doesn't mean it's legit.

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would be very surprised if the undisclosed terms of the collusion agreement did not include holding the NFL harmless from further suit.

Lawyers and Florio can say anything they like, doesn't mean it's legit.

 

 

Agreed 1000%, there aint NO way the NFL forked over millions just to leave themselves open to be sued again.  Florio's entire "take" is asinine.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Is that really true at this point? Hasn't the issue blown over to a large extent? I don't think it would cause major issues at this point.

 

I think the various viewpoints expressed in this thread (some of which are no longer present as they broaden the scope beyond that relevant to it) indicate that the underlying divide in American politics is still present and accounted for.  See below for excellent example.

 

3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Baltimore offered him a contract and then Kaeps girlfriend posted a meme on social media calling Baltimores owner a slave owner and Ray Lewis a house boy.  Have a feeling thats not where he is going.  People need to wake up and understand this fool got run from the league allon his own.

 

I could always be mistaken, but I don't think the terms on which his collusion suit with the NFL was settled were "you got run from the league all on your own, Fool"  Confidential settlement though, so we should by rights never know.

 

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Pretty sure everything he said was spot on.  Maybe look up Kaeps stance on Fidel Castro as well.  He is a misguided fool who plays on emotions to look intelligent.  In reality he is a race baiting spoiled cry baby.

 

You're entitled to that viewpoint, and other people are entitled to their very different views.

[wppete]

Some entertaining discussion this morning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bklnpete]

9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Lol you must watch CNN religiously. He took advantage of a few unfortunate incidents to advance an anti cop anti Caucasian agenda, Even wearing socks depicting cartoon pigs in police uniforms. Yes, he disrespected Police and is supportive of criminals including some who have killed police. He’s a mediocre ballplayer and basically pond scum. Glad you think he’s a great guy, but I can’t agree with you. 

Where did I say he was a great guy? His mother is white so the anti-Caucasian thing doesn’t float. You are exactly who I refer to in my post. 

[T master]

Why doesn't this guy just go to the CFL then he wouldn't have to stand for the anthem because he's not Canadian & he could prove or not prove to all the folks in the NFL right or wrong how good he is or not & make money while doing so !

 

Got to give it to him he is stubborn !

 

 

[Scott7975]

56 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Do you think all 32 backup QBs in the league are better than Colin Kaepernick?

I read an article that at one point he refused a backup contract because he wants to be a starter making starter money. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Every team will probably be there to show no sign of trying to keep him out of the league. This seems like another ploy by him and his agent to strengthen their case against the NFL. 
For me this entire issue has always been about freedom and what makes this country great. 
Kaep exorcised his right to freedom of speech. To protest something he believes in. Kaep then opted out of his contract. Another freedom afforded to him. Then the men and women of the NFL decided that his play wasn’t worth the distraction it would bring. This is a right the owners have. 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

I read an article that at one point he refused a backup contract because he wants to be a starter making starter money. 

 

Yes, that's true.  My guess is that he's no longer going to expect to start.  I certainly hope not.

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Yes, that's true.  My guess is that he's no longer going to expect to start.  I certainly hope not.

that to me is where he screwed himself. He should have taken the job and waited for an opportunity to prove himself. 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

that to me is where he screwed himself. He should have taken the job and waited for an opportunity to prove himself. 

 

I think he screwed up that opportunity, too.  He and his girlfriend.  If he really wants to be employed, I'm expecting him to be smarter about it and for his girlfriend to keep her GD mouth shut.

[wppete]

Kaep has many demands.... 

 

https://www.tmz.com/2019/11/12/colin-kaepernick-workout-nfl-qb/

 

"Colin Kaepernick had some demands before agreeing to work with the NFL to conduct a private workout this weekend ... starting with making sure teams were sending serious decision-makers and not the peons.

 

We've spoken with multiple sources about the workout and were told the NFL contacted Kap's camp first after multiple teams reached out to the league to express interest in the QB.

 

We're told the league gave Colin a hard deadline on whether he was in or out -- and Colin responded with a few demands of his own.

First, Colin wanted to make sure the workout would be a "legitimate process" -- and not a P.R. stunt.

 

There is an expectation from Colin's side that the league will provide a list of team officials who will attend.

We're also told Colin pushed back on the workout date because he felt Saturday is a tough day for NFL teams since most teams are traveling and prepping for a game on Sunday.

 

But, the NFL wouldn't budge and Colin ultimately agreed to do the workout on Saturday. It's still unclear why the league was so dead set on Sat.

 

Colin tweeted about the workout on Tuesday -- making his expectations crystal clear ... he wants BOSSES on the premises.

"I’ve been in shape and ready for this for 3 years, can’t wait to see the head coaches and GMs on Saturday."

Stay tuned ..."

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

13 minutes ago, bklnpete said:

Where did I say he was a great guy? His mother is white so the anti-Caucasian thing doesn’t float. You are exactly who I refer to in my post. 

I don’t appreciate the name calling so don’t stoop to that level. If you can’t have a civil discussion then move on. 

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, wppete said:

Kaep has many demands.... 

 

https://www.tmz.com/2019/11/12/colin-kaepernick-workout-nfl-qb/

 

"Colin Kaepernick had some demands before agreeing to work with the NFL to conduct a private workout this weekend ... starting with making sure teams were sending serious decision-makers and not the peons.

 

We've spoken with multiple sources about the workout and were told the NFL contacted Kap's camp first after multiple teams reached out to the league to express interest in the QB.

 

We're told the league gave Colin a hard deadline on whether he was in or out -- and Colin responded with a few demands of his own.

First, Colin wanted to make sure the workout would be a "legitimate process" -- and not a P.R. stunt.

 

There is an expectation from Colin's side that the league will provide a list of team officials who will attend.

We're also told Colin pushed back on the workout date because he felt Saturday is a tough day for NFL teams since most teams are traveling and prepping for a game on Sunday.

 

But, the NFL wouldn't budge and Colin ultimately agreed to do the workout on Saturday. It's still unclear why the league was so dead set on Sat.

 

Colin tweeted about the workout on Tuesday -- making his expectations crystal clear ... he wants BOSSES on the premises.

"I’ve been in shape and ready for this for 3 years, can’t wait to see the head coaches and GMs on Saturday."

Stay tuned ..."

 

 

 

 

First, Colin wanted to make sure the workout would be a "legitimate process" -- and not a P.R. stunt.  There is an expectation from Colin's side that the league will provide a list of team officials who will attend.

 

We're also told Colin pushed back on the workout date because he felt Saturday is a tough day for NFL teams since most teams are traveling and prepping for a game on Sunday.

 

Do you consider those to be unreasonable requests (not demands)?  I certainly don't.

[Nester]

Best of luck to Miami, the Jets, Cincy, Titans, Bucs and Bears in finding their  QB. They are all so desperate one will sign Him, if he can still play.

[Dopey]

6 minutes ago, wppete said:

Kaep has many demands.... 

 

https://www.tmz.com/2019/11/12/colin-kaepernick-workout-nfl-qb/

 

"Colin Kaepernick had some demands before agreeing to work with the NFL to conduct a private workout this weekend ... starting with making sure teams were sending serious decision-makers and not the peons.

 

We've spoken with multiple sources about the workout and were told the NFL contacted Kap's camp first after multiple teams reached out to the league to express interest in the QB.

 

We're told the league gave Colin a hard deadline on whether he was in or out -- and Colin responded with a few demands of his own.

First, Colin wanted to make sure the workout would be a "legitimate process" -- and not a P.R. stunt.

 

There is an expectation from Colin's side that the league will provide a list of team officials who will attend.

We're also told Colin pushed back on the workout date because he felt Saturday is a tough day for NFL teams since most teams are traveling and prepping for a game on Sunday.

 

But, the NFL wouldn't budge and Colin ultimately agreed to do the workout on Saturday. It's still unclear why the league was so dead set on Sat.

 

Colin tweeted about the workout on Tuesday -- making his expectations crystal clear ... he wants BOSSES on the premises.

"I’ve been in shape and ready for this for 3 years, can’t wait to see the head coaches and GMs on Saturday."

Stay tuned ..."

 

 

 

Sounds like legitimate requests.

[wppete]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

First, Colin wanted to make sure the workout would be a "legitimate process" -- and not a P.R. stunt.  There is an expectation from Colin's side that the league will provide a list of team officials who will attend.

 

We're also told Colin pushed back on the workout date because he felt Saturday is a tough day for NFL teams since most teams are traveling and prepping for a game on Sunday.

 

Do you consider those to be unreasonable requests (not demands)?  I certainly don't.

 

Hey Gundy I suggest you write to TMZ and ask them that question. We just here for the entertainment value. Some interesting opinions on here, especially from the pro Kaep people. I dont care either way. 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

 

Hey Gundy I suggest you write to TMZ and ask them that question. We just here for the entertainment value. Some interesting opinions on here, especially from the pro Kaep people. I dont care either way. 

 

You prefaced with "Kaep has many demands...."

 

After reading what you copy/pasted, he had two requests and zero demands.

 

[wppete]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

You prefaced with "Kaep has many demands...."

 

After reading what you copy/pasted, he had two requests and zero demands.

 

 

Read the article... I didnt write it...Just posting what I read and thought some people on here would appreciate the share... 

[BullBuchanan]

Kaep would be an instant upgrade to our QB room. He's like the successful version of JA.

[thenorthremembers]

44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I could always be mistaken, but I don't think the terms on which his collusion suit with the NFL was settled were "you got run from the league all on your own, Fool"  Confidential settlement though, so we should by rights never know.

 

 

You're mistaken.  A Billion dollar industry paid two players a 10 Million dollar settlement to make the bad press go away.   He is out of the league based on his own actions.  The settlement and the tryout are both the equivalent of a parent giving a petulant child ice cream to stop the crying.  He could of spent the last three years in the AFL or the CFL trying to prove he wanted to play football.   He didnt do that because he thinks he is entitled to millions.  

[row_33]

I can wait to bother caring until he is out there in the field for some team

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

You're mistaken.  A Billion dollar industry paid two players a 10 Million dollar settlement to make the bad press go away.   He is out of the league based on his own actions.  The settlement and the tryout are both the equivalent of a parent giving a petulant child ice cream to stop the crying.  He could of spent the last three years in the AFL or the CFL trying to prove he wanted to play football.   He didnt do that because he thinks he is entitled to millions.  

 

Since the terms of the settlement were confidential, I'm curious about the source of your confident assertion that the settlement was $10 million?

 

The rest of course, is your opinion and you're entitled.

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He was benched on the 49ers because they thought they had another QB that was better.

He filed a collusion case against the NFL because he felt (and I think there's a point) he didn't suck worse over subsequent years than all 64 QB on NFL rosters.

 

 

So what does 'suck worse' mean in this context?  I have been in management for a long time, and have hired tons of people, and had to fire some as well.  As often as not, someone gets invited to leave because they're a cancer to the organization, NOT because they weren't a good coder.

 

Kaep may well be a 'better' QB than some backups (which, who knows if he's any good at this point or not, it's a huge risk) but pure QB ability is only one aspect of what you're hiring for if you're a NFL GM, especially in the backup QB role. 

 

edit:  My intent here was to say that no team is obligated to hire Kaep, or even consider him.  There is no guarantee of employment with an NFL team.  Even if he is 'better' than another player currently employed by the league.  I wonder if he's still demanding $20m a year?

 

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Since the terms of the settlement were confidential, I'm curious about the source of your confident assertion that the settlement was $10 million?

 

The rest of course, is your opinion and you're entitled.

 

I think it was Deadspin that claimed to have uncovered the amount, I might be mistaken though

Edited November 13, 2019 by dorquemada
missed my main point in initial post

[row_33]

Slow news week

[Cripple Creek]

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Everyone keeps saying this; I think that is totally overplayed.  

 

The frenzy would fade quickly anyway, if it did exist.

 

Media frenzy in Buffalo, for example, would fade to nothing with the first snowfall when the national reporters scampered back home.  Can you see the locals in a frenzy? What would that look like?

 

Outside of NYC and Boston this would die down like everything else does. We are prisoners of the moment.

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

I read an article that at one point he refused a backup contract because he wants to be a starter making starter money. 

Everyone will have to determine the worth, but, he has denied this.

[CoudyBills]

14 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

It's hilarious to see the raw HATE for Kaepernick here, despite him being pretty much the same thing as Josh Allen.

 

Big, hugely talented, great runner, not a particularly good passer.

 

I would certainly hope the Bills attend his practice on Saturday.

 

We are far, far away from being set at QB.

 

We should pursue all options until we are set.

 

 

Brilliant take, friggin brilliant.  Wow, just wow.

[Phil The Thrill]

48 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

You prefaced with "Kaep has many demands...."

 

After reading what you copy/pasted, he had two requests and zero demands.

 

I don’t see why a Tuesday vs Saturday makes a difference.  I read another report that he was pushing for another Saturday a few weeks later.  I don’t get it

30 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

You're mistaken.  A Billion dollar industry paid two players a 10 Million dollar settlement to make the bad press go away.   He is out of the league based on his own actions.  The settlement and the tryout are both the equivalent of a parent giving a petulant child ice cream to stop the crying.  He could of spent the last three years in the AFL or the CFL trying to prove he wanted to play football.   He didnt do that because he thinks he is entitled to millions.  

He should talk to Doug Whaley in the XFL

[Cripple Creek]

3 hours ago, wppete said:

what are you talking about?!?!? I was just saying it will be entertaining to see the media and fans go nuts. I don’t give a crap about Kaep. We have our franchise QB. 

I didn’t accuse you of anything, I asked a simple question.

 

We will cheer our asses off if Hunt is on our team, yet for many Kaepernick is off limits. That seems off, doesn’t it?

[nucci]

4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I don’t see why a Tuesday vs Saturday makes a difference.  I read another report that he was pushing for another Saturday a few weeks later.  I don’t get it

 

Tuesday is when teams work out players at the stadium. Saturday teams are usually traveling

[Phil The Thrill]

If he wanted to workout next Tuesday as opposed to weeks later as I heard it reported, then I think it sounds reasonable 

[LabattBlue]

Not sure what the NFL powers that be, have to do with a Kap workout.  Shouldn't that be between Kap, his agents, and the team reps?

[Rico]

14 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I don’t see why a Tuesday vs Saturday makes a difference.  I read another report that he was pushing for another Saturday a few weeks later.  I don’t get it

He should talk to Doug Whaley in the XFL

He would be the ultimate Whaley gem.

[wppete]

7 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Not sure what the NFL powers that be, have to do with a Kap workout.  Shouldn't that be between Kap, his agents, and the team reps?

This workout will make Kaep go away. Just a matter of going through the steps right now. He’s done. 

[dorquemada]

15 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

I didn’t accuse you of anything, I asked a simple question.

 

We will cheer our asses off if Hunt is on our team, yet for many Kaepernick is off limits. That seems off, doesn’t it?

 

Is it possible in your world to dislike both Kaep and Hunt?  I don't care for Kaep and his Girlfriend's ultra-woke politics, but the bigger issue is I don't believe he'll be able to come back and be anywhere near as effective as he was before.  Especially if he still thinks he's going to be a starter making starter money and demanding the spotlight wherever he lands.

 

Hunt, on the other hand, shouldn't even be in the league any more and is probably lucky hes not in jail.  I wouldnt want him on my septic tank cleaning crew much less my NFL team

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

that to me is where he screwed himself. He should have taken the job and waited for an opportunity to prove himself. 

 

He should have hired Fitz as a consultant. If anyone knows those ropes, it’s Fitzy! 

[colin]

6 minutes ago, wppete said:

This workout will make Kaep go away. Just a matter of going through the steps right now. He’s done. 

 

i voted yes in the poll, but reading your posts makes me think you are right and this is just a dog and pony show.

 

sports talk guy clay travis often posts a team will look at an athletes talent vs his baggage.  if the value of the talent exceeds the cost of the baggage, there can be a deal to do, if not, no deal.

 

kaep had a good run (ironically, given that roman was the architect for that, and made garbage pail tyrod look like a legit starter, and has jackson just tooling up the nfl right now, i think he's gonna be like kevin gilbride and win chips after we fired him, groan) but then fell apart.  he hasn't looked good since, and got benched for frikken blain gabbert.

 

kaep's baggage is huge.  it costs viewers/ticket sales for a team employing him, and ill bet is a polarizing factor in the locker room or coaching staff.  the simple math is he'd have to really strike a coaching staff as special to be worth the risk.

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Since the terms of the settlement were confidential, I'm curious about the source of your confident assertion that the settlement was $10 million?

 

The rest of course, is your opinion and you're entitled.

 

Colin Kaepernick NFL Settlement- NY Times

 

 

[wppete]

8 minutes ago, colin said:

 

i voted yes in the poll, but reading your posts makes me think you are right and this is just a dog and pony show.

 

sports talk guy clay travis often posts a team will look at an athletes talent vs his baggage.  if the value of the talent exceeds the cost of the baggage, there can be a deal to do, if not, no deal.

 

kaep had a good run (ironically, given that roman was the architect for that, and made garbage pail tyrod look like a legit starter, and has jackson just tooling up the nfl right now, i think he's gonna be like kevin gilbride and win chips after we fired him, groan) but then fell apart.  he hasn't looked good since, and got benched for frikken blain gabbert.

 

kaep's baggage is huge.  it costs viewers/ticket sales for a team employing him, and ill bet is a polarizing factor in the locker room or coaching staff.  the simple math is he'd have to really strike a coaching staff as special to be worth the risk.

 

You my friend are the most logical person in this discussion on here. The NFL is a business first and foremost and Kaepernick is BAD for business. His talent is debatable after sitting out 3 years. The workout on Saturday will finally close the door on all the Kaepernick discussion. 

[Rico]

I think the Bills should send Chris Fischetti to the workout with a stop-watch.