Josh Allen - week TEN report card

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Dill? I'm about to eat myself to death via sodium overdose by suckling down 1000 pickles

McCaffrey

Almost exactly my point, no?

[Seven-N-Nine]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because when you draft a Quarterback 7th overall by his 20th game he has to be a big part of the offense. People can blame the playcaller. They are running from the unavoidable truth. It is time now for Josh to step up. He HAS to start playing better when the team needs him to. 

All I can say is not to hold your breath on Allen getting much better, no matter who is designing the offense or calling plays. Look at Lamar Jackson and how he has been improving by leaps and bounds as a passer this season, we're not seeing any of this from Allen. 

[Socal-805]

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He's just not a starting NFL QB.

 

 

[Bangarang]

McD trusted a kicker who has been horrible more than Allen. Either Allen isn’t good, McD is clueless or both. I’m losing confidence in both more each week

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Look, this isn’t rocket science.  Some of the best QBs in the game today either sat for a couple of years, or spent their first few seasons leaning on a strong run game.  That would include Russ Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, and Tom Brady.  Others took 3-4 years to develop.

 

If you draft a project QB, don’t put it all on his shoulders before they’re developed enough to take it.  If you don’t want to follow that strategy, don’t draft a project QB.  Mortgage the farm to sign Cousins or something.

With a project QB a year/ two years down the line

 

- with all the practice and further physical / mental experience the project QB gets, they are of course going to be further evaluated to get you closer to the answer of you what you didn't know when you drafted him -

 

Whether he is good enough or not. Whether he will fulfil the potential to be good enough. 

 

There is an argument also to put it on their shoulders to see if they have it. 

 

I don't see anything close to Wilson, rothlesburger or Brady at this point. 

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

If you are hiding your QB after 20 starts the chances are you drafted the wrong Quarterback. 

 

For me it's not about hiding the QB. It's about playing to the strengths of our offense. IMO our line is better at run blocking than pass blocking and Singletary makes plays happen even when they're not there. We don't really have anyone catching passes that can do that. Any time you are throwing to Andre Roberts you need to reevaluate your offense's identity. We have a starting veteran TE that I'm pretty sure has net negative yardage this year. I don't want to hide Allen, I want to hide most of the players around him.

[london_bills]

13 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

On a positive note I am quite impressed with the 20 yard lasers today.  He made some great throws but seems like playcalling was a big issue when it counted. 

He actually played well today.  If we win he gets game ball.  Not sure who watches the games 

Interesting. I definitely watched a different game. 

[eanyills]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

McD trusted a kicker who has been horrible more than Allen. Either Allen isn’t good, McD is clueless or both. I’m losing confidence in both more each week

I think this is the conversation we should be having. Do McD/Daboll trust Allen to win/not lose the game? Consistently, they have been very conservative when it comes to handling Allen in game situations.

 

I find the end of this game very telling about where the coaching staff thinks Josh Allen is. Seriously, if you’re not willing to let your QB win the game then either you or the QB is the problem. Which is it?

Edited November 10, 2019 by eanyills

[Beast]

In a league where it is not at all hard to pass the ball, we are struggling mightily to do so.

 

Blame it on whoever you wish to make yourself feel good about it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

McD this week in practice should pair Smoke and Foster  and throw 100 deep balls until they hit consistently. I have no idea wth is going on with his deep passes?

 

It needs to get fixed as I stated earlier. 

 

I don’t see what happens in practice, but if Allen is struggling in practice as well having him miss 100x would be silly.  If his QB coach and Daboll can’t see what the issue is they need to get an in-service from a Guest QB Guru.  As I understand it Tom Brady has gone to House in the middle of the season for a technique tune- up.

 

If Allen is making the throws vs air in practice but not in the game, then the issue isn’t technical but mental and they need to go there with it.  It may be something as simple as he’s too afraid to throw a pick, and his coaches need to tell him as Romo said he was told “I want you to risk throwing 1 or 2 picks a game on those long throws”

 

5 minutes ago, london_bills said:

With a project QB a year/ two years down the line

 

- with all the practice and further physical / mental experience the project QB gets, they are of course going to be further evaluated to get you closer to the answer of you what you didn't know when you drafted him -

 

Whether he is good enough or not. Whether he will fulfil the potential to be good enough. 

 

There is an argument also to put it on their shoulders to see if they have it. 

 

I don't see anything close to Wilson, rothlesburger or Brady at this point. 

 

You don’t see anything close to the run game or the rest of the team they had around them either, so, there’s that.

[Virgil]

I think even Allen will tell you he doesn’t deserve that high of a grade.  He was off on a lot of this passes, even many that were caught.  Receivers had to slow down or reach back for the ball on quite a few plays, which also killed a drive

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

LOL! The emotion on here.  Throw out the baby with the bath water. Even some of the experts on here with pathetic takes. Not alot of decision makers here. 

Edited November 10, 2019 by Hapless Bills Fan
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[WideNine]

About as fair an assessment as you are going to get here.

 

Mixed bag today. Some poor throws early, some poor play calls or blown execution, some drops, some pressure in his face today, some great throws where he stepped into them.

 

Ball chopped out of his hand from behind so more ball security drills in his future.

 

 

 

[Beast]

When has a 1st round project QB ever planned out?

[ny33]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Look, this isn’t rocket science.  Some of the best QBs in the game today either sat for a couple of years, or spent their first few seasons leaning on a strong run game.  That would include Russ Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, and Tom Brady.  Others took 3-4 years to develop.

 

If you draft a project QB, don’t put it all on his shoulders before they’re developed enough to take it.  If you don’t want to follow that strategy, don’t draft a project QB.  Mortgage the farm to sign Cousins or something.

I completely agree; it was completely irresponsible to give Allen no help last year and start him behind an offensive line of practice-squad level talent. Many of his problems stem from how he was forced to take the game on his shoulders and try to do it all last year with zero help or mentorship. They’ve done well in addressing the roster since then, but throwing him into the fire last year was completely irresponsible and will continue to have repercussions on his development. Even Mahomes would have struggled on last year.’s team. 

[dubs]

15 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

He actually played well today.  If we win he gets game ball.  Not sure who watches the games 

?

 

he didn’t play well by most standards.  260 yards on 41 pass attempts, zero TDs, 14 total points on offense. That’s not good. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

18 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

On a positive note I am quite impressed with the 20 yard lasers today.  He made some great throws but seems like playcalling was a big issue when it counted. 

He actually played well today.  If we win he gets game ball.  Not sure who watches the games 

People even ones who know football are pathetic today because they lost

[BeastMaster]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

For me it's not about hiding the QB. It's about playing to the strengths of our offense. IMO our line is better at run blocking than pass blocking and Singletary makes plays happen even when they're not there. We don't really have anyone catching passes that can do that. Any time you are throwing to Andre Roberts you need to reevaluate your offense's identity. We have a starting veteran TE that I'm pretty sure has net negative yardage this year. I don't want to hide Allen, I want to hide most of the players around him.

Gotta agree.

 

Allen didn't fail today...he delivered under constant pressure and no run game.

 

The coaching sucked today.

Defense surrendered a TD drive after Allen got them a 4pt lead.

Kicker missed two field goals that Allen had nice drives to get within range.

 

People harp on the deep ball too much. It's a low percentage play that doesn't hit all that often. I'd like to see it hit , but it's not the end all be all that many make it to be. I also think he's still working on it and it will come around. 

[london_bills]

4 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

LOL! The emotion on here. . Throw out the baby with the bath water. Even some of the experts on here with pathetic takes. Not alot of decision makers here. 

They will have to make a decision on Allen at some point. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, dubs said:

?

 

he didn’t play well by most standards.  260 yards on 41 pass attempts, zero TDs, 14 total points on offense. That’s not good. 

 

Overall, no he didn’t but even the praise-chary McDermott noted that Allen did some good things in the game, including some good throws he wouldn’t have made last year.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

4 minutes ago, london_bills said:

They will have to make a decision on Allen at some point. 

Not today and not the people on here making it.

5 minutes ago, eanyills said:

 

 

Edited November 10, 2019 by Hapless Bills Fan
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[dubs]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Overall, no he didn’t but even the praise-chary McDermott noted that Allen did some good things in the game, including some good throws he wouldn’t have made last year.

I totally agree. He did do some nice things. But it feels as if he’s plateaued.  I don’t know, maybe I’m expecting too much at this point. 

[Seven-N-Nine]

2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

They will have to make a decision on Allen at some point. 

Pegula will have to do that IMO, McDermott and Beane are not going away from Allen. When Allen is relieved of his starting QB duties, McDermott and Beane will be gone as well. All or nothing proposal.

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Not today and not the people on here making it.

If the shoe fits where it

That's just as well then. ?. No decisions should be made at 6-3.

 

If it's still the case later in the season that Allen, Ford, Oliver, Edmunds are struggling Beane and folks will know their jobs are on the line in the not so distant future. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

When has a 1st round project QB ever planned out?

 

Well, early days yet, but Jackson was for reals a project and it looks as though Jackson may pan out.

 

But they are definitely supporting him and designing an offense to his strengths.

 

Alex Smith would be another case I guess -a 1st round pick who was felt to be a huge bust until Harbaugh took over and again, designed the offense to his strengths - using the same OC who is now working for brother Harbaugh with Jackson.

[starrymessenger]

2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Interesting. I definitely watched a different game. 

 

In the game I watched I saw some excellent throws, throws that I'm not sure all starting calibre NFL QBs can make. I also saw today, as I have in the past, a number of passes to open receivers that, while catchable, had placement that was bad enuf to unnecessarily increase the degree of difficulty, resulting in incompletions and lost YAC opportunities. And as for his long ball, I really don't know what is going on there. But I think there is a dearth of QB friendly throws that could also be productive with too much weight being placed on Allen's shoulders to execute an aggressive pass happy attack. Neither Allen nor his complement of skill position players are capable of that right now. This is not the greatest show on turf. Allen may never make it but Daboll and McD are not doing him any favours.

[Nitro]

16 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

McD trusted a kicker who has been horrible more than Allen. Either Allen isn’t good, McD is clueless or both. I’m losing confidence in both more each week

The feeling I get is that the game plans are geared toward what the other defense does rather than the strengths of Allen.  It seems the offense is playing with the parking brake on.  This is a reflection on the head coach.  With an easy schedule for the first 8 games, the offense rarely tried to put a team away.  Coach cautious is a buzz kill

[ny33]

3 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Gotta agree.

 

Allen didn't fail today...he delivered under constant pressure and no run game.

 

The coaching sucked today.

Defense surrendered a TD drive after Allen got them a 4pt lead.

Kicker missed two field goals that Allen had nice drives to get within range.

 

People harp on the deep ball too much. It's a low percentage play that doesn't hit all that often. I'd like to see it hit , but it's not the end all be all that many make it to be. I also think he's still working on it and it will come around. 

He needs to do better on the long ball to be a difference-maker. But I think it’s much harder to improve the intermediate throws, footwork, and pocket presence, which he has shown continual improvement in. Once a one or two of them connect, he will feel more confident and natural in that part of his game. The red zone offense (1st in the league), progress in decision making, and his never-give-up mentality show that he can be special. How many 2nd-year QBs have succeeded with 9 new starters on offense?

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

In the game I watched I saw some excellent throws, throws that I'm not sure all starting calibre NFL QBs can make. I also saw today, as I have in the past, a number of passes to open receivers that, while catchable, had placement that was bad enuf to unnecessarily increase the degree of difficulty, resulting in incompletions and lost YAC opportunities. And as for his long ball, I really don't know what is going on there. But I think there is a dearth of QB friendly throws that could also be productive with too much weight being placed on Allen's shoulders to execute an aggressive pass happy attack. Neither Allen nor his complement of skill position players are capable of that right now. This is not the greatest show on turf. Allen may never make it but Daboll and McD are not doing him any favours.

Fair comment

5 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

In the game I watched I saw some excellent throws, throws that I'm not sure all starting calibre NFL QBs can make. I also saw today, as I have in the past, a number of passes to open receivers that, while catchable, had placement that was bad enuf to unnecessarily increase the degree of difficulty, resulting in incompletions and lost YAC opportunities. And as for his long ball, I really don't know what is going on there. But I think there is a dearth of QB friendly throws that could also be productive with too much weight being placed on Allen's shoulders to execute an aggressive pass happy attack. Neither Allen nor his complement of skill position players are capable of that right now. This is not the greatest show on turf. Allen may never make it but Daboll and McD are not doing him any favours.

I would never say there were not SOME great throws in the game. 

 

It's the rest that drives me nuts. 

Edited November 10, 2019 by london_bills

[HappyDays]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

If you are hiding your QB after 20 starts the chances are you drafted the wrong Quarterback. 

 

I just looked at the Packers/Panthers box score. Packers have passed the ball 22 times and ran the ball 23 times. Bills today ran the ball 20 times and passed 41 times. Packers aren't hiding their QB. They're game planning against a weak run defense. That is what we needed to do today.

[unclepete]

He doesn’t throw with accuracy or anticipation. Most of his passes are to receivers curling into pockets in the defense. His passes are often out of position.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

In the game I watched I saw some excellent throws, throws that I'm not sure all starting calibre NFL QBs can make. I also saw today, as I have in the past, a number of passes to open receivers that, while catchable, had placement that was bad enuf to unnecessarily increase the degree of difficulty, resulting in incompletions and lost YAC opportunities. And as for his long ball, I really don't know what is going on there. But I think there is a dearth of QB friendly throws that could also be productive with too much weight being placed on Allen's shoulders to execute an aggressive pass happy attack. Neither Allen nor his complement of skill position players are capable of that right now. This is not the greatest show on turf. Allen may never make it but Daboll and McD are not doing him any favours.

 

This is pretty much how I see it.  Part of the issue to me is that when I watch other teams, I see passes with that degree of “off placement” routinely hauled in.  I know that Dalton especially his first years was off on those kind of throws and AJ Green saved him.  Without AJ Green he doesn’t make it to his 3rd year IMO.  Similar kind of dynamic with some other QBs including some of the rookies pressed into service.

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

Haters should take a look! Do I think he plays well enough? Nope. But damn some of his critics on here are delusional. Not every 2nd year QB is like Mahomes nor plays like a veteran Brees/Rodgers.

 

 

 

some 2nd year QB’s are like Jackson.  And almost all can hit open WR’s deep

[Reed83HOF]

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

 

Blame Daboll.

[racketmaster]

Allen remains our playmaker on offense. The Bills refuse to lean on Singletary and the WR corps is poor to say the least. We have a TE that has potential but is very raw and learning on the job. John Brown is nice but he is a #2 or #3 on any other good offense in this league. Beasley is a nice #3 if used right but the Bills don’t have a viable #3 wr let alone a #1 wr. There are no dynamic playmakers in the wr corps and if you watch other games there are plenty more options that other quarterbacks have. Heck, the Mayfield has Landry and Beckham as well as Chubb and Hunt in the backfield. Think about that for a minute and here in Buffalo we continue to trot out Frank Gore for long stretches of the game (nice story but he is no longer a playmaker and should have an extremely limited role on any above average offense). Too bad Beane did not add a WR at the deadline as the Bills desperately need a better weapon.

[TwistofFate]

F

 

Complete fail on every level. 

[rayray808]

I would be upset with Allen if he played like this and we established the run... but we didnʻt.

 

He doesnʻt call the plays, he does the best with what is called.

 

Daboll needs to really think about his gameplan for Miami

[Success]

He tends to play his best when it matters the most.

 

Obviously, there are quite a few aspects to his game that he has to tighten up - but we have to stop pretending that a 2nd year QB is going to be this fully developed thing.  I hate to sound old, but I am - it used to be that rookies HAD to sit for a year or 2, and then it still took time to "get it."  The expectations are too big, too early.

 

I still think that class will be excellent - Darnold, Mayfield, Allen, obviously Jackson.  It takes time - Allen is improving, and we need to be patient.

 

[GG]

1 minute ago, rayray808 said:

I would be upset with Allen if he played like this and we established the run... but we didnʻt.

 

He doesnʻt call the plays, he does the best with what is called.

 

Daboll needs to really think about his gameplan for Miami

 

The offensive game plan isn’t executed in isolation.  The DCs also scheme for the opponents weakness.