YoloinOhio Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) Bills Film Room: The play calls, blocks and angles that led to Devin Singletary’s big day Quote Dealing with a hamstring injury and sitting behind a future Hall of Famer in Frank Gore, Singletary had been limited through the first seven games of the season. It wasn’t for a lack of playing time, because he has played 54.5 percent of the snaps. But most of those snaps came with him as a receiving back, a role that Gore has never really held. Behind the Bills’ mauling offensive line, Singletary reached double digit rushes for the first time, carrying the ball 20 times for 95 yards and a touchdown. Offensive coordinator Brian Daboll committed to the run and the Bills were able to control the line of scrimmage like they have for most of the season. Singletary did most of his damage to the outside, where he carried it seven times for 55 yards. On the Bills’ sixth play of their first drive, Daboll sent out an 11-personnel condensed trips formation. Allen sends WR Isaiah McKenzie across the formation to force the defense to bump gaps to their left and to hold the second-level defenders, especially the force defender John Brown is blocking. article breaks down play calls Edited November 5, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just read/watched this. Great explanations of the plays and video/picture proof of how strong our O line is against a strong D front. I’m hoping Daboll follows this plan until someone proves they can stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 This is written by Eric Turner at Cover1. If you are not following his work, you are not meaningfully following the Bills from an Xs and Os/play calling/understanding the game perspective. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 But I heard on this board that Buffalo's guards are terrible? What shall I believe? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, eball said: But I heard on this board that Buffalo's guards are terrible? What shall I believe? Take the cannolis, leave the Board. Edited November 5, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, eball said: But I heard on this board that Buffalo's guards are terrible? What shall I believe? No question.. You must believe the armchair GMs on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This is written by Eric Turner at Cover1. If you are not following his work, you are not meaningfully following the Bills from an Xs and Os/play calling/understanding the game perspective. No one tells me what to do. I'll tell you what--I'll not follow 'em just to spite you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Many have been calling for more run game, especially more Singletary. I think that's the recipe for more consistent success. Take a little off Allen's plate till he is ready. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: No one tells me what to do. I'll tell you what--I'll not follow 'em just to spite you. Tough, but fair 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Just read/watched this. Great explanations of the plays and video/picture proof of how strong our O line is against a strong D front. I’m hoping Daboll follows this plan until someone proves they can stop it. It all comes down to controlling the LOS. They couldn’t do it vs the eagles but the redskins have a stout defensive front and they could. Also looking at this weekend Cleveland is not strong up front in defending the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 A solid run threat was a big element that was missing in the Pats* game. I am hoping this will help make our offense more effective against them next time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, eball said: But I heard on this board that Buffalo's guards are terrible? What shall I believe? I hope the Bills roll with the OL they played last week. Ford can spell at RG if needed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Their run game has been inconsistent most of the year and lacking a serious playmaking threat. If they continue to feature Singletary and he is able to produce the way he did on Sunday, it will really open up the play action game for Allen and, just maybe, some bigger plays downfield. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I hope the Bills roll with the OL they played last week. Ford can spell at RG if needed. Cleveland's defense, while possessing some very talented players (Garrett, Ward), gives up a lot of big plays. I'd like to see the Bills activate Yeldon and operate another run-heavy game plan this week -- the Browns are 30th in run defense, giving up 141 yards/game. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, eball said: Cleveland's defense, while possessing some very talented players (Garrett, Ward), gives up a lot of big plays. I'd like to see the Bills activate Yeldon and operate another run-heavy game plan this week -- the Browns are 30th in run defense, giving up 141 yards/game. I would also activate Duke Williams instead of Foster and try to get him 1:1 with Ward who is on the small side. Their safety situation is terrible if Damarious Randall is still out with the hamstring issue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) IT would be great to see an analysis of the short yardage plays to find out what the issues are. I know some pointed out Morse getting pushed back. If he's an issue in short yardage, then maybe the Bills should experiment with a short yardage package -- Feliciano at C and Ford at RG? Just a thought. Saw a couple of those goal line run plays on Cover1 just now, and it didn't look like Morse was the issue. Never mind. Edited November 5, 2019 by TPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Its funny because some people on here will argue they have been running the ball. I would like to see more running like this past Sunday and then more play action and would it kill them to take a deep shot with Smokey? Foster seems to have forgotten how to track the ball and I think they can use a big body like Duke more than Foster especially with Brown and McK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Yav said: Its funny because some people on here will argue they have been running the ball. I would like to see more running like this past Sunday and then more play action and would it kill them to take a deep shot with Smokey? Foster seems to have forgotten how to track the ball and I think they can use a big body like Duke more than Foster especially with Brown and McK. Foster just hasn’t been taking advantage of his opportunities on Sundays and I’m guessing he hasn’t been doing so in practice either which is why he’s not always active. Duke hasn’t done a ton but he’s done more than Foster. Mckenzie has made plays when he gets the Ball. Duke and McKittrick should be up this week imo. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I really think 26 is a special player. Get him 20-25 touches and see where it goes... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 My question is our offensive line that good and just had a bad day against the eagles or are they overrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bring it said: My question is our offensive line that good and just had a bad day against the eagles or are they overrated? Every team is different, and every scheme is different. What works against one team may not work against another team. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Foster just hasn’t been taking advantage of his opportunities on Sundays and I’m guessing he hasn’t been doing so in practice either which is why he’s not always active. Duke hasn’t done a ton but he’s done more than Foster. Mckenzie has made plays when he gets the Ball. Duke and McKittrick should be up this week imo. I agree. Duke does seem to catch the ball just not may targets. I’d like to see the Bills run to establish the pass with more screens and play action. I also love the jet sweep to McKenzie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 The Bills did try five times to get one yard from Gore, up the middle, got shoved back, and stymied for no yards. That was terrible blocking by almost the entire line. That was a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: The Bills did try five times to get one yard from Gore, up the middle, got shoved back, and stymied for no yards. That was terrible blocking by almost the entire line. That was a problem. On one of those, the blocking was actually not bad, but Croft whiffed on his guy. He was the one who came around to stuff Gore. Made me so crazy... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 21 hours ago, Yav said: Its funny because some people on here will argue they have been running the ball. I would like to see more running like this past Sunday and then more play action and would it kill them to take a deep shot with Smokey? Foster seems to have forgotten how to track the ball and I think they can use a big body like Duke more than Foster especially with Brown and McK. They're running the ball at an avg of 28.5 times a game. And passing at just over 32 times a game. Removing the teams that haven't had a bye yet, there's only 5 teams with more rush attempts. Not arguing, but I think they have been running the ball. I would like to see Singletary get the ball more often, but I'm pretty sure they were easing him back into the game plan after the hamstring issue. The Athletic saying they have been primarily a passing team isn't correct in my view. Their lowest number of rushing attempts was 20, against the the Eagles. We were down that game and playing catch up. Also, those 4th qtr. comebacks were probably due to more passing than runs. Just my take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, TPS said: IT would be great to see an analysis of the short yardage plays to find out what the issues are. I know some pointed out Morse getting pushed back. If he's an issue in short yardage, then maybe the Bills should experiment with a short yardage package -- Feliciano at C and Ford at RG? Just a thought. Saw a couple of those goal line run plays on Cover1 just now, and it didn't look like Morse was the issue. Never mind. Or just don't run behind the center? Can also do toss plays out of goalline, or FB dives. 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Foster just hasn’t been taking advantage of his opportunities on Sundays and I’m guessing he hasn’t been doing so in practice either which is why he’s not always active. Duke hasn’t done a ton but he’s done more than Foster. Mckenzie has made plays when he gets the Ball. Duke and McKittrick should be up this week imo. Fosters been seeing work at gunner too, so they must feel good about some combo of McKenzie/Roberts/foster at WR. Is Duke fully healthy now? Edited November 6, 2019 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, dneveu said: Or just don't run behind the center? Can also do toss plays out of goalline, or FB dives. Fosters been seeing work at gunner too, so they must feel good about some combo of McKenzie/Roberts/foster at WR. Is Duke fully healthy now? Duke wasn’t on the injury report last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 I’ll admit I was relieved to see some screen passes to 26. Finally!!! Hes built for those plays. Runs like pac man. Same speed in any direction, instant change as needed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: The Bills did try five times to get one yard from Gore, up the middle, got shoved back, and stymied for no yards. That was terrible blocking by almost the entire line. That was a problem. More specifically it was poor technique. They just didn’t get their pads low enough. Morse in particular stayed too upright - the Skins’ DTs got lower and were able to drive him backwards. Also, from those clips the three run blockers that really stand out to me are Roberts, Dawkins and Knox. Have no idea why Joe B. graded out Dawkins so poorly this week because he was flat-out mauling from what I saw. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 23 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This is written by Eric Turner at Cover1. If you are not following his work, you are not meaningfully following the Bills from an Xs and Os/play calling/understanding the game perspective. Oh please. When he takes his personal feelings out of his work I might start to read his stuff again. The KEY to victory has always been balance. Good passing and good running. Look at how well the Rams did w/o Todd Gurley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 38 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Oh please. When he takes his personal feelings out of his work I might start to read his stuff again. The KEY to victory has always been balance. Good passing and good running. Look at how well the Rams did w/o Todd Gurley That is a fire take. I don’t really know what feelings you’re talking about, but to pretend that his analysis isn’t the most technical stuff available to the average fan is just wrong. Also, the Rams aren’t faltering because of Gurley, the Rams are failing because teams figured out that if they change the coverage once the coaches line is cut off after 15 seconds, Mcvay can’t feed Goff the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 54 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: More specifically it was poor technique. They just didn’t get their pads low enough. Morse in particular stayed too upright - the Skins’ DTs got lower and were able to drive him backwards. Also, from those clips the three run blockers that really stand out to me are Roberts, Dawkins and Knox. Have no idea why Joe B. graded out Dawkins so poorly this week because he was flat-out mauling from what I saw. Joe B's grades have to be taken with a grain elevator of salt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: That is a fire take. I don’t really know what feelings you’re talking about, but to pretend that his analysis isn’t the most technical stuff available to the average fan is just wrong. Also, the Rams aren’t faltering because of Gurley, the Rams are failing because teams figured out that if they change the coverage once the coaches line is cut off after 15 seconds, Mcvay can’t feed Goff the play. I've read his "stuff" here before he "moved on" and I even went to his web page. To me he had gotten worse over the years by not just sticking to football to analyze plays. the Rams drop off last season had to do with Gurley or so I read and heard as to why they failed to beat the mundane Pats**** Still, I have always been a proponent of a good balance of running and passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: I've read his "stuff" here before he "moved on" and I even went to his web page. To me he had gotten worse over the years by not just sticking to football to analyze plays. the Rams drop off last season had to do with Gurley or so I read and heard as to why they failed to beat the mundane Pats**** Still, I have always been a proponent of a good balance of running and passing. Its worth at least following his twitter. For what its worth, hearing your comments caused me to think: are we talking about the same guy? In my mind, that is the farthest from the way I would describe his work. Also, the fact that he gets so much affirmation from players on twitter about how he is correctly analyzing play calls, assignments, etc. tells me he knows what he is talking about. With respect to the Rams, there was an article written recently about why they are failing. It had to do with comments made by Pats after the Super bowl that they were easy to stop once they found a way to work around McVay calling in the plays after they lined up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: The Bills did try five times to get one yard from Gore, up the middle, got shoved back, and stymied for no yards. That was terrible blocking by almost the entire line. That was a problem. I 100% blame the play calls. How many OLines can bulldoze an 11 man front at will? That’s a crap ton of weight and an unfair task to ask of your linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 7 hours ago, Dopey said: They're running the ball at an avg of 28.5 times a game. And passing at just over 32 times a game. Removing the teams that haven't had a bye yet, there's only 5 teams with more rush attempts. Not arguing, but I think they have been running the ball. I would like to see Singletary get the ball more often, but I'm pretty sure they were easing him back into the game plan after the hamstring issue. The Athletic saying they have been primarily a passing team isn't correct in my view. Their lowest number of rushing attempts was 20, against the the Eagles. We were down that game and playing catch up. Also, those 4th qtr. comebacks were probably due to more passing than runs. Just my take. See the NE game for evidence. They had the ball in NE territory and decide to get pass happy for no reason and end up taking a costly sack that pushed the FG attempt out and that contributed to the miss. (3 points right there). Later they had the ball down in the red zone and decided to pass the ball and again they got no points out of that drive, those two scoring opportunities result in at the very least 6 total points if we run the ball and don't convert 1st down or TDs and we end up tied with NE and head in to OT. That game the running game was effective and yet they try and get cute and try to be a "balanced team". If you're getting 4-5 yards a carry then keep running the ball until they show you they can consistently stop it. There is no reason to try and force a passing play. They are passing more than they are rushing, and just because other teams are pass happy doesn't make it the right game plan for the Bills. Run the ball to set up play action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: That is a fire take. I don’t really know what feelings you’re talking about, but to pretend that his analysis isn’t the most technical stuff available to the average fan is just wrong. Also, the Rams aren’t faltering because of Gurley, the Rams are failing because teams figured out that if they change the coverage once the coaches line is cut off after 15 seconds, Mcvay can’t feed Goff the play. I like Turner but he ISNT foolproof. He actually blocked me years ago when we had a conversation and I showed him why he was off in his breakdown, he just blocked me after so we couldn't talk anymore He is knowledgeable and definitely cares about the game but it's basically his opinion on breakdown's, and we all have those... He doesn't have the playcalls so all he can do is use his eyes to make a assumption about assignments or calls, sometimes he's right sometimes he's wrong It's really not gospel tho he does work hard. Edited November 6, 2019 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 11:40 AM, Bring it said: My question is our offensive line that good and just had a bad day against the eagles or are they overrated? I think they didn't try to do against the Eagles what they tried to do against Washington. They came out (and executed) a pass-heavy game plan on a blustery, windy day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think they didn't try to do against the Eagles what they tried to do against Washington. They came out (and executed) a pass-heavy game plan on a blustery, windy day. Plus they were facing Fletcher Cox. When he’s dialed in Cox is one of the best! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I like Turner but he ISNT foolproof. He actually blocked me years ago when we had a conversation and I showed him why he was off in his breakdown, he just blocked me after so we couldn't talk anymore He is knowledgeable and definitely cares about the game but it's basically his opinion on breakdown's, and we all have those... He doesn't have the playcalls so all he can do is use his eyes to make a assumption about assignments or calls, sometimes he's right sometimes he's wrong There's also some subjective interpretation about what is happening. Not sure which game, think it was NE, Josh threw a ball that just hit Gore's outstretched hand, thrown ahead and too wide of him. Allen had a charging DE pushing his RT back into his face as he threw. I initially thought Josh deliberately threw it a bit wide so it couldn't be hit and deflected by the defender, but would be caught by Gore or go OOB. Later when I looked at the all 22 then back in slo-mo I found a couple frames where it looked as though the defender got a couple of fingers on it. Turner went on and on about how the throw showed poor technique on Josh's part and his feet were wrong etc etc. Fast forward a couple weeks and Josh hit several similar throws with similar footwork and they're all "well, Josh's foot placement isn't right but it doesn't matter because you can see he makes a perfect throw blah blah" Fast forward to a KC game where the announcers are looking at exactly the same route and a throw off target in a similar way by Mahomes and they're "let's take a closer look" and found a camera angle where you could see the defender's gloved fingers deflect as the ball went past and they announced proudly "Mahomes just doesn't make a throw that off target unless something like a deflection is involved" Where am I going with this? 1) I like Cover1 and watch their breakdowns all the time, but I agree he isn't infallible and shouldn't be taken as gospel 2) I think both incidents I describe show where subjectivity creeps in to assessing a QB once you get past "did he complete the pass, or did he not?" level of simple scoring. If it had been Allen the announcers would never have looked for the deflection because their storyline is "Allen is so erratic". Cover1 didn't because his storyline was "Allen has poor footwork that is impacting his throws" (which he does sometimes, still). Advanced stats wouldn't have scored it as a deflected pass but as a bad throw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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