TC in St. Louis Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I read somewhere that Vincent Taylor was considered the best DL on Miami last year, and it wasn't clear why he was waived. He's 6'3", 311, and had a couple sacks last year for the Phins. There's a reason they took him, let's see what he can do. He might be an answer. Peko hasn't really been that effective. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I would activate him over peko 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Ok. I activated him. 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 This probably would have already happened if not for Peko's personal family struggle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: This probably would have already happened if not for Peko's personal family struggle. Huh? I certainly hope this organization isn't making personnel decisions based on the health of player family members. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Huh? I certainly hope this organization isn't making personnel decisions based on the health of player family members. Peko is a McD guy for sure. He’s Ben in the system and has put in the work. But I gotta see some production. Taylor deserves a shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: This probably would have already happened if not for Peko's personal family struggle. Yes, I would like to see Taylor given a chance. But really, this is not fair or appropriate concerning Peko. He is there because of his time in the system, time to change that. Edited October 29, 2019 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: This probably would have already happened if not for Peko's personal family struggle. He could have stayed on practice squad and his family would be helped. They have him up on the 53 because they think he's an option that can help. Edited October 29, 2019 by purple haze 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I would activate him over peko ....what's your perspective as to why it didn't happen?............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 If the run defense continues to struggle it will probably happen. Not time to push the panic button yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 He certainly looks like he could plug a gap, or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Is Taylor a 1 technique or a 3? Don't know much about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Is Taylor a 1 technique or a 3? Don't know much about him. Taylor's a 3-technique. The reason Peko was activated and not Taylor -- aside from the fact that Peko has been with the team longer and likely knows the playbook better -- is that Peko was the practice squad's 1-tech while Taylor was its 3-tech. I'm not saying Taylor CAN'T play 1-tech. I don't know enough about him as a player to say that he couldn't do that effectively. However, by trade and by skillset, he IS a 3-tech. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) I thought the Bills would have activated Taylor before they settled on Peko. I don't know whether Taylor is a zero, one or three tech DL, but I thought Peko is a 3 tech. Taylor is bigger and stronger, and physically at least is a better fit for the nose position, the same position Harrison Phillips normally plays as a backup.I'm guessing the Bills activated Peko because he's been with the team longer and knows the system better. The Bills coaching staff places high value on those qualities, but in this case I question whether it was the right choice. Edited October 29, 2019 by TigerJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, TC in St. Louis said: I read somewhere that Vincent Taylor was considered the best DL on Miami last year, and it wasn't clear why he was waived. He's 6'3", 311, and had a couple sacks last year for the Phins. There's a reason they took him, let's see what he can do. He might be an answer. Peko hasn't really been that effective. Been saying this since they activated Peko. Peko is JAG. Not that Taylor is Sapp, but he’s got more bonafides than Peko. One of McD’s biggest weaknesses is sticking with people too long. Edited October 29, 2019 by TheProcess 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 This was in an article I found on Taylor from October 2018. Taylor produced 12 run stops on just 89 run-defense snaps, resulting in a run-stop percentage of 13.5 percent, the best mark ever recorded by a defensive tackle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) They're both practicing with the team. I think that if/when the coaches think that Taylor can help them more than Petko they will certainly activate him. I don't think anyone will scoop Petko up off waivers if they want to put him back on the PS. Edited October 29, 2019 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 39 minutes ago, Logic said: Taylor's a 3-technique. The reason Peko was activated and not Taylor -- aside from the fact that Peko has been with the team longer and likely knows the playbook better -- is that Peko was the practice squad's 1-tech while Taylor was its 3-tech. I'm not saying Taylor CAN'T play 1-tech. I don't know enough about him as a player to say that he couldn't do that effectively. However, by trade and by skillset, he IS a 3-tech. Thank you.' so many gut reactions here. it was about skillset. not emotional leanings . good lord Peko was logical. Taylor will get his shot in time i feel. 14 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: This was in an article I found on Taylor from October 2018. Taylor produced 12 run stops on just 89 run-defense snaps, resulting in a run-stop percentage of 13.5 percent, the best mark ever recorded by a defensive tackle. against what? context please! but yes i like this kid too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 The reasoning by everyone in this post makes sense. But with Practice Squad guys like Taylor, I wonder: if Taylor is such a dominant run stopper, which most (if not all) teams need, why is he sitting on the Bills' Practice Squad? Why hasn't another team that knows of his run-stuffing prowess added him to their 53? If folks here were saying "he's not that great, but he's the best option that we have," I would understand it better. That's not what most of the above posts are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: This was in an article I found on Taylor from October 2018. Taylor produced 12 run stops on just 89 run-defense snaps, resulting in a run-stop percentage of 13.5 percent, the best mark ever recorded by a defensive tackle. Pretty small sample size, no? Was this a season, career, 3 games, pre-season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Thank you.' so many gut reactions here. it was about skillset. not emotional leanings . good lord Peko was logical. Taylor will get his shot in time i feel. against what? context please! but yes i like this kid too He’s got a legit highlight video from his limited time at Miami. He’s was mentioned a few times for showcasing potential in a short amount of time. Hes gotta get the nod soon. https://youtu.be/JQ812iQyAUs Edited October 29, 2019 by CEN-CAL17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: This probably would have already happened if not for Peko's personal family struggle. that is insanely illogical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Honestly activating Taylor and cutting Peko is the only move roster wise the Bills can make that would have some sort of impact. The trade deadline passed and there wasn't a trade to be had and there isn't a vet on the market that can help. I think the odds of Taylor being anything more than a marginal upgrade are slim but at this point Peko is not a starting caliber or even rotation player. Taylor has at least a chance to offer you some improvement at a weaker point of the roster. I also think that Taylor is a bit better than your average PS player. He played well in his time in Miami although both his first two seasons were cut short by injury. I don't see the harm in trying something with the DT position. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I would activate him over peko I originally thought that Taylor was going to be activated instead of Peko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Captain Murica said: This was in an article I found on Taylor from October 2018. Taylor produced 12 run stops on just 89 run-defense snaps, resulting in a run-stop percentage of 13.5 percent, the best mark ever recorded by a defensive tackle. Who needs him? 1 hour ago, msw2112 said: If folks here were saying "he's not that great, but he's the best option that we have," I would understand it better. Agreed. That’s exactly what I’m saying. I’m not expecting some world beater. But they didn’t make a move at the deadline to address it, so he’s the best we’ve got left to try for a rotational DT in my opinion. He may also turn out to be nothing, but Peko ain’t it either. Cut him and put him back on PS if you have to have him around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I originally thought that Taylor was going to be activated instead of Peko. He didn’t “earn the right” like Peko by that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TheProcess said: He didn’t “earn the right” like Peko by that point. Well Peko is terrible. On to the next. I would waive Peko...he is that bad. Edited October 30, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I trust he will get his chance, just like Jordan Phillips last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 To me, SM has been slow to use players that have reasonable odds of being useful on the 53, D Williams, and now this kid from Miami, why? I have no idea, maybe some of you can shed some light on this reluctance. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 The coaches see all of these guys at practice in a competitive setting a lot more than any of us. We may not like the way Peko has played but I would venture a guess that Taylor hasn't shown enough in practice to jump ahead of Peko. That may change if the team continues to struggle against the run and Taylor gives some indication that he would improve the d-line rotation. As we fret about our run defense, we should also consider the amount of time the Bills spend in their nickel defense. The Eagles hit several nice runs against the Bills when they were in their nickel. I also thought the tackling was pretty terrible on Sunday and it wasn't just one guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, BuffaninATL said: that is insanely illogical Some people are flaming me for this, but I'm not alone in the concern. McD has prioritized off-the-field matters when making roster decisions in the past, and the fact is that when they activated Peko, he talked about how gratifying it was to be able to call him up because of what his family had been through. I'm not just throwing stuff against the wall here. There is zero doubt in my mind that the effect on Peko's family immediately comes to mind when McD thinks about going in a different direction, and that means it is affecting the decision-making process. Edited October 30, 2019 by Giuseppe Tognarelli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 10 hours ago, CSBill said: Yes, I would like to see Taylor given a chance. But really, this is not fair or appropriate concerning Peko. He is there because of his time in the system, time to change that. Wouldn't mind a bit seeing Taylor activated. But if he isn't, it's probably because while we don't see him practice, McDermott does and they don't think he'd be better than Peko. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Wouldn't mind a bit seeing Taylor activated. But if he isn't, it's probably because while we don't see him practice, McDermott does and they don't think he'd be better than Peko. Yuuup, I have to agree with you. I trust the Coaches see more than we do, I think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Yeah, and as Logic pointed out above, Taylor was playing 3-tech in Miami and Peko is a 1-tech. Maybe they don't want to switch him, or maybe they tried and he didn't do so well at the new role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 They see him in practice every day. If he was beating guys, he'd be playing. The entire league could sign him and he's unsigned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwell Tarly Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 There are 2 distinct possibilities why this hasn't happened yet... 1. He's their secret weapon and they're saving him for the Superbowl. 2. He's not that good and won't crack the roster unless someone is injured. Time will tell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 13 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: I read somewhere that Vincent Taylor was considered the best DL on Miami last year, and it wasn't clear why he was waived. He's 6'3", 311, and had a couple sacks last year for the Phins. There's a reason they took him, let's see what he can do. He might be an answer. Peko hasn't really been that effective. boom. Sold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 13 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: I read somewhere that Vincent Taylor was considered the best DL on Miami last year, and it wasn't clear why he was waived. He's 6'3", 311, and had a couple sacks last year for the Phins. There's a reason they took him, let's see what he can do. He might be an answer. Peko hasn't really been that effective. The Legend of Vincent Taylor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....what's your perspective as to why it didn't happen?............. Because No one sent a email McBean yet ? Someone please do it QUICKLY before he ends up in New England ! Edited October 30, 2019 by Putin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I am pretty sure of two things: 1. If they thought he'd be an upgrade, they'd have him on the active roster 2. Few if any of us here have seen the kid play, so it's puzzling why we think he'd be the guy The coaches said it's fundamentals and screw ups on that which caused the problems this past Sunday, and that they can address that this week. Let's hope they're right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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