[Vague Title] The trade Beane should make.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Everyone wants an offensive weapon but we have those players ,they just need to be used more (Singletary) and the offense just needs more time together, lets not forget we have NINE NEW STARTERS on offense and have only played 7 games together.

 

What we really need is a another stud DT to go with Jordan Phillips. The dolphins showed our weakness and the Eagles exposed us out right and that is we dont have enough stoutness against the run. This problem goes back to last year when the pats ran us over last year and was not addressed properly.

 

If im Beane im calling the Bengals, not for still and oft injured AJ Green , but DT Geno  Atkins. This guy is a stud and still playing at a high level and cincy is going to need all the picks they can get to  rebuild that team

 

 

I would give them a 1st and 4th.

 

 

[billsbackto81]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Everyone wants an offensive weapon but we have those players ,they just need to be used more (Singletary) and the offense just needs more time together, lets not forget we have NINE NEW STARTERS on offense and have only played 7 games together.

 

What we really need is a another stud DT to go with Jordan Phillips. The dolphins showed our weakness and the Eagles exposed us out right and that is we dont have enough stoutness against the run. This problem goes back to last year when the pats ran us over last year and was not addressed properly.

 

If im Beane im calling the Bengals, not for still and oft injured AJ Green , but DT Geno  Atkins. This guy is a stud and still playing at a high level and cincy is going to need all the picks they can get to  rebuild that team

 

 

I would give them a 1st and 4th.

 

 

I like it! 31 years old but still plays at a high level. Your comp seems a little pricey though.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, billsbackto81 said:

I like it! 31 years old but still plays at a high level. Your comp seems a little pricey though.

 

As a negotiator i start lower with just a second then work up if you have to .

 

 

[BritBill]

I wouldn’t give up a 1st rounder for any 30+ year old player. 

 

The only way I’d give up a first rounder at all is if the player would put us over the edge as a contender. We’re not close to that yet. 

 

Yes to Atkins, no to what you’d give up for him. 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

4 minutes ago, BritBill said:

I wouldn’t give up a 1st rounder for any 30+ year old player. 

 

The only way I’d give up a first rounder at all is if the player would put us over the edge as a contender. We’re not close to that yet. 

 

Yes to Atkins, no to what you’d give up for him. 

 

 

We're not that far and if we dont get trampled yesterday i believe there is a different outcome to yesterday's game and less fair weather fans.

 

1st is a lot but how many busts have we had, id rather spend it on a guaranteed player than a hope and a prayer.

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

“You build through the Draft “

 

- Brandon Tyson Beane 2019

 

 

[BritBill]

29 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

We're not that far and if we dont get trampled yesterday i believe there is a different outcome to yesterday's game and less fair weather fans.

 

1st is a lot but how many busts have we had, id rather spend it on a guaranteed player than a hope and a prayer.

 

 

 

We’re way off being a championship team. We’re a bubble wild card team who struggles to beat similar or better teams. 

 

Atkins, as good as an addition as he would be, wouldn’t change that. 

 

He could only be a guaranteed player for 2 years at his age and position. 

 

If we didn’t  get ran over on Sunday I don’t think there would be a conversation about giving up a 1st round pick for a 30 year old DT. 

[SydneyBillsFan]

38 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

“You build through the Draft “

 

- Brandon Tyson Beane 2019

 

 

 

Well we're certainly going to need "Iron Mike" to deliver a knockout 2020 draft to plug all these holes

[Conlan58]

Would he help? Of course, as would dontari poe... but no way would i want the Bills giving up a 1st or even 2nd for either.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, BritBill said:

 

We’re way off being a championship team. We’re a bubble wild card team who struggles to beat similar or better teams. 

 

Atkins, as good as an addition as he would be, wouldn’t change that. 

 

He could only be a guaranteed player for 2 years at his age and position. 

 

If we didn’t  get ran over on Sunday I don’t think there would be a conversation about giving up a 1st round pick for a 30 year old DT. 

 

At his position his age is not a problem he has 6 good years.

 

if we dont give up 200+ plus yds we win this game.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

For a 31 year-old? A first and a fourth? 

 

I'm glad you're not the GM.

 

More, grabbing him doesn't seem to be the type of move this FO makes, bringing in very high-priced FAs, and especially very high-priced older FAs. 

Edited October 29, 2019 by Thurman#1

[HOUSE]

I looked up the word Stud, still not sure why we need one....

 

a large-headed piece of metal that pierces and projects from a surface, especially for decoration.

• an item of jewelry in the form of a piece of metal, precious stone, or other ornament attached to a pin or shaft that passes through a piercing in the body.
• a fastener consisting of two buttons joined with a bar, used in formal wear to fasten a shirtfront or to fasten a collar to a shirt.
• British

  a small projection fixed to the base of footwear, especially athletic shoes, to allow the wearer to grip the ground.
• a small metal piece set into the tire of a motor vehicle to improve roadholding in slippery conditions

Edited October 29, 2019 by HOUSE

[BritBill]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

At his position his age is not a problem he has 6 good years.

 

if we dont give up 200+ plus yds we win this game.

 

 

 

Even still, a first plus other pick is way too much for my liking.

 

Like I said, love the player, not the price you quoted. 

[JM57]

Atkins is a good player but is he stout against the run? I've always had the impression he's more of a disruptor and really good interior pass rusher. Kind of like the ceiling Ed Oliver is supposed to have.

 

Joe B did a pretty nice article on The Athletic yesterday with potential 1-technique targets. They're the guys you don't really hear about much because their role by nature keeps them off the scoresheet. 

 

Not going to steal the man's work but he lists 7 players and their justification but here is the top 3

 

Andrew Billings, CIN

Mike Purcell, DEN

Dalvin Tomlinson, NYG

 

[Thurman#1]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

At his position his age is not a problem he has 6 good years.

 

if we dont give up 200+ plus yds we win this game.

 

 

 

 

Six more years would put him way over average at his position. 

 

And plenty don't make it much past 32 or so. I always look at Smerlas and Jim Burt, but there are plenty of other examples.

 

 

4 minutes ago, JM57 said:

Atkins is a good player but is he stout against the run? I've always had the impression he's more of a disruptor and really good interior pass rusher. Kind of like the ceiling Ed Oliver is supposed to have.

 

Joe B did a pretty nice article on The Athletic yesterday with potential 1-technique targets. They're the guys you don't really hear about much because their role by nature keeps them off the scoresheet. 

 

Not going to steal the man's work but he lists 7 players and their justification but here is the top 3

 

Andrew Billings, CIN

Mike Purcell, DEN

Dalvin Tomlinson, NYG

 

 

 

Thanks. I'll take a look.

 

If they do bring in a DT, this is the kind of guy they might well look at.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

17 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I looked up the word Stud, still not sure why we need one....

 

a large-headed piece of metal that pierces and projects from a surface, especially for decoration.

• an item of jewelry in the form of a piece of metal, precious stone, or other ornament attached to a pin or shaft that passes through a piercing in the body.
• a fastener consisting of two buttons joined with a bar, used in formal wear to fasten a shirtfront or to fasten a collar to a shirt.
• British

  a small projection fixed to the base of footwear, especially athletic shoes, to allow the wearer to grip the ground.
• a small metal piece set into the tire of a motor vehicle to improve roadholding in slippery conditions

The strangest word in the English language, for me, is retrofit. Intuitively, you'd think it would mean "redesign to a retro style," but it actually means "to modernize" (not in so many words). You'd think a better word for the definition would simply be "modernize," "upgrade," or even "refit."

[Niagara Dude]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Everyone wants an offensive weapon but we have those players ,they just need to be used more (Singletary) and the offense just needs more time together, lets not forget we have NINE NEW STARTERS on offense and have only played 7 games together.

 

What we really need is a another stud DT to go with Jordan Phillips. The dolphins showed our weakness and the Eagles exposed us out right and that is we dont have enough stoutness against the run. This problem goes back to last year when the pats ran us over last year and was not addressed properly.

 

If im Beane im calling the Bengals, not for still and oft injured AJ Green , but DT Geno  Atkins. This guy is a stud and still playing at a high level and cincy is going to need all the picks they can get to  rebuild that team

 

 

I would give them a 1st and 4th.

 

 

I like Gino,  but no team giving Bengals a first for a player who is 31 years old,  that is not smart at all.  Maybe a 3rd & 6th but not way giving up a first and 4th unless the guy is 28 or younger.

[Xwnyer]

I am not giving up a first and fourth for anyone sorry next year draft loaded at WR and we need that and a big DT.  

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Everyone wants an offensive weapon but we have those players ,they just need to be used more (Singletary) and the offense just needs more time together, lets not forget we have NINE NEW STARTERS on offense and have only played 7 games together.

 

What we really need is a another stud DT to go with Jordan Phillips. The dolphins showed our weakness and the Eagles exposed us out right and that is we dont have enough stoutness against the run. This problem goes back to last year when the pats ran us over last year and was not addressed properly.

 

If im Beane im calling the Bengals, not for still and oft injured AJ Green , but DT Geno  Atkins. This guy is a stud and still playing at a high level and cincy is going to need all the picks they can get to  rebuild that team

 

 

I would give them a 1st and 4th.

 

 

Sorry BB but imo there is no DT who is worth a 1st and a 4th, and if there was one he would not be 31 years old.

 

We desperately need quality receivers, and I am not sold on Green at too high a price either. In the 2020 draft, high quality WRs will be falling from the sky.

We need a running back too. We should absolutely stock our QB with quality weapons and see how good he is, and we can do this.

 

It is fun blaming Daboll for all of our ills but the truth is that we have a young, inexperienced QB who lacks the proper supporting cast.

 

Jmo.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Does he catch passes? ?

 

If you're saying that another DT to pair with Phillips is a need, why not sign Phillips to an extention first? 

 

I get that they've underperformed as a whole, but look at the position as a whole: They've invested a first round pick, a 3rd round injured player who will be back next year, signed a guy in free agency (who they will likely try and extend) and overpaid Star (all while trotting out a practice squad player in Peko) 

 

I HIGHLY doubt that they would put any more resources into a single position group when we have much more glaring needs IMO. 

 

I'd argue we need a pass rushing DE more than another DT. And above all else, more play makers on O. 

[PIZ]

Is Andrew Billings an option?

 

 

 

 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

15 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Sorry BB but imo there is no DT who is worth a 1st and a 4th, and if there was one he would not be 31 years old.

 

We desperately need quality receivers, and I am not sold on Green at too high a price either. In the 2020 draft, high quality WRs will be falling from the sky.

We need a running back too. We should absolutely stock our QB with quality weapons and see how good he is, and we can do this.

 

It is fun blaming Daboll for all of our ills but the truth is that we have a young, inexperienced QB who lacks the proper supporting cast.

 

Jmo.

 

I agree with all you say here but also don't see a problem with blaming Daboll. You can argue the execution of plays and lack of talent is a major problem, but week in and week out there are less talented, younger players who are put in the right position and succeed. 

 

Allen has been far from perfect, but Daboll hasn't exactly schemed up a masterpiece either. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Derek Wolfe is the player they should trade for.  Please OBD, just this once, accommodate me.

[Bill from NYC]

13 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

I agree with all you say here but also don't see a problem with blaming Daboll. You can argue the execution of plays and lack of talent is a major problem, but week in and week out there are less talented, younger players who are put in the right position and succeed. 

 

Allen has been far from perfect, but Daboll hasn't exactly schemed up a masterpiece either. 

Oh, I hear ya.

We all do have a right to be impatient too after all of these years. I think that with a few smart moves, 2020 can be a HUGE year for us. I am NOT giving up on this season but I do wonder if Josh has the right tools.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

24 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Does he catch passes? ?

 

If you're saying that another DT to pair with Phillips is a need, why not sign Phillips to an extention first? 

 

I get that they've underperformed as a whole, but look at the position as a whole: They've invested a first round pick, a 3rd round injured player who will be back next year, signed a guy in free agency (who they will likely try and extend) and overpaid Star (all while trotting out a practice squad player in Peko) 

 

I HIGHLY doubt that they would put any more resources into a single position group when we have much more glaring needs IMO. 

 

I'd argue we need a pass rushing DE more than another DT. And above all else, more play makers on O. 

 

Still annoyed by wasting a first rounder on a pass rushing DT that doesn't get sacks.

[aristocrat]

we just spent a first on a d tackle need to use it on a different position this coming year or else you turn into the jets or even us after using all those picks on rbs.  if we can get robby anderson or gordon for a mid round pick lets go

[Wayne Cubed]

40 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Sorry BB but imo there is no DT who is worth a 1st and a 4th, and if there was one he would not be 31 years old.

 

We desperately need quality receivers, and I am not sold on Green at too high a price either. In the 2020 draft, high quality WRs will be falling from the sky.

We need a running back too. We should absolutely stock our QB with quality weapons and see how good he is, and we can do this.

 

It is fun blaming Daboll for all of our ills but the truth is that we have a young, inexperienced QB who lacks the proper supporting cast.

 

Jmo.

Agreed.

 

Josh Allen at this point, isn’t good enough to take over a game. He needs the help from a supporting cast. Like what the Rams did for Goff. Load up on offensive talent, while Allen is on a cheap deal.

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

At his position his age is not a problem he has 6 good years.

 

if we dont give up 200+ plus yds we win this game.

 

 

Isn't this why we signed Non-Star to mega million dollar contract?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

Well we're certainly going to need "Iron Mike" to deliver a knockout 2020 draft to plug all these holes

 

How many holes are there really? WR, RT or guard (depending on where Ford ultimately ends up) and DE are to me the three main areas where likely use your first three picks. After that maybe backup LB though the guy on IR this year may fill that role, another RB bruising kind of guy, then in FA pick up another DE, then either resign Phillips or pick up someone in FA for DT.  And maybe in the fifth or sixth round or so a punter.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

How many holes are there really? WR, RT or guard (depending on where Ford ultimately ends up) and DE are to me the three main areas where likely use your first three picks. After that maybe backup LB though the guy on IR this year may fill that role, another RB bruising kind of guy, then in FA pick up another DE, then either resign Phillips or pick up someone in FA for DT.  And maybe in the fifth or sixth round or so a punter.

 

WR, LB/EDGE are the two/three biggest needs.  Then maybe an actual NFL tight end which this franchise has really never had.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Coach Tuesday

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

The strangest word in the English language, for me, is retrofit. Intuitively, you'd think it would mean "redesign to a retro style," but it actually means "to modernize" (not in so many words). You'd think a better word for the definition would simply be "modernize," "upgrade," or even "refit."

The strangest word in the English language to me is moist ?

[Sherlock Holmes]

I rather use our 1st towards Kuechly

[mgs2277]

Honestly, I think a CB is needed. Levi Wallace was lit up the last couple weeks, it seems. Tre White is obviously not a problem.  Not saying give up on him, but we may need to get better in that position.

[Big Papa]

Dion Dawkins and our 3rd round pick (conditional, could become 2nd if Trent plays every game the remainder of the season) for Trent Williams and Josh Norman.... Levi Wallace has been a liability the last 2 weeks and yes, Josh Norman may not be that much of an upgrade but atleast he know's McDermott's defense and is an immediate plug and play. By taking on his contract though it allows the Bills to get Trent Williams for Dawkins and a conditional 3rd round pick. I would love to get a pass rusher or a WR but the prices on the market are too steep for the deals Beane would like and that is why they won't go that route.

[bigK14094]

22 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

I rather use our 1st towards Kuechly

YEs, some validity to this suggestion.  Our guy in the middle is really an outside backer playing the middle.  Edmunds is a rangy guy, but, not a run plugger.  He excells side line to side line.....but, up the gut straight at him he gets blown away.  (the Philly back did that to him in Q1 Sunday)  Edmunds is a sort of miss as a middle backer....but would be a great outside guy......yes, he is young, but haven't seen Kuechly like play yet.

[Putin]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

For a 31 year-old? A first and a fourth? 

 

I'm glad you're not the GM.

 

More, grabbing him doesn't seem to be the type of move this FO makes, bringing in very high-priced FAs, and especially very high-priced older FAs. 

Star Lotulelei is almost 30 years old and is making 10 mil a year 

[Big Papa]

4 minutes ago, Putin said:

Star Lotulelei is almost 30 years old and is making 10 mil a year 

 

What does this have to do with a 1st and 4th round pick?

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Everyone wants an offensive weapon but we have those players ,they just need to be used more (Singletary) and the offense just needs more time together, lets not forget we have NINE NEW STARTERS on offense and have only played 7 games together.

 

What we really need is a another stud DT to go with Jordan Phillips. The dolphins showed our weakness and the Eagles exposed us out right and that is we dont have enough stoutness against the run. This problem goes back to last year when the pats ran us over last year and was not addressed properly.

 

If im Beane im calling the Bengals, not for still and oft injured AJ Green , but DT Geno  Atkins. This guy is a stud and still playing at a high level and cincy is going to need all the picks they can get to  rebuild that team

 

 

I would give them a 1st and 4th.

 

 

 

I would have trouble giving up a 4th for a 31 year old DT let alone a 1st and 4th, I agree we go for a trade with the Bengals but it would be for DT Andrew Billings, he's the space eating DT Star is supposed to be and I think he can be had for a 5th round pick, he's in the last year of his contract so if he performs well we can re-sign him, if not we gave up 1 of our 2 5th round picks. Geno Atkins doesn't really make sense because he'd be taking Ed Olivers spot not Jordan Philips or Stars spot imo.

[MJS]

Why don't all those teams just give us all their good players? We want them, so they should just give them to us.

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

4 hours ago, PIZ said:

Is Andrew Billings an option?

 

 

 

 

TY for posting this.