A lesson learned? It is not all about Defense

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 hour ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

The play calling needs help that changed the whole game.... The 3rd down sweep was a game killer then throwing on 3 street downs after gore had like 3 stright runs for 7 yards a clip

 

That series was where they lost it. The game was very winnable until then. 

[WideNine]

40 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Was so tired of being shouted down when I and others say they want to see what the offense has & that 14-10 wins are not sustainable.

 

This team was 5-1 and I was upset with how they play & the coaching philosophy and today it was on full display. 

 

5 ugly wins and today no sense of purpose until the third quarter.   The drive to get it to 17-13 was the only time the Bills looked really in-sync.  

 

I want the Bills to come out wanting to throw for 300+ & score 30+ points.

 

Been a long time since that was the mindset (yes scored over 40 vs. NYJ & Miami last year)......  

 

I admit, the "winning" part usually gives me the beer-goggles needed to accept any amount of ugly.

 

I mean who among us would scoff at a fugly 1 point victory in a SB? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You got that right!  This board will blame anyone and anything except Allen.

 

Why?  Because they know the QB is by far the most important piece in the whole puzzle, and the thought that Allen isn't what was hoped for is more than your average Bills fan can handle.

 

 

 

 

Nah, most Bills fans are actually used to it. They can handle it just fine. It’s not that simple though; there was a lot wrong out there today besides the QB. 

[Don Otreply]

Our offense has the pieces to be more dynamic/ aggressive, it’s the offensive theory / game plan that is lacking imo.  Sure wish I could do something about this....

 

Go Bills!!!

[Locomark]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. The two key moments that lost us this game were one on each side. The fumble by Allen and then when Allen had brought us back down the field and within a score the drive the defense immediately gave up. 

 

There is a lesson from this game that you need an O that can go score for score and we as yet do not. But the other lesson is once a weakness against the run is out there on tape expect every OC to challenge you on it. The Bills have to fix that because the D has to be the better unit on experience and resources allocated. 

B-I-N-G-O       And this is why I am clamoring for a trade for another WR. We just don’t have enough weapons to compete and 1 more draft likely won’t fix that either. This is the NFL and scoring under 24 won’t win you games against the best teams regularly. But with this loss putting us 2 back of the Pats, I doubt Beane makes any moves of consequence because he knows we are likely not challenging for the division. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You got that right!  This board will blame anyone and anything except Allen.

 

Why?  Because they know the QB is by far the most important piece in the whole puzzle, and the thought that Allen isn't what was hoped for is more than your average Bills fan can handle.

 

Well, let’s turn it around on you.  Do you feel that the defense and ST held up their end today, or is pointing out problems there just an Allen-excuse strategy in your view?

[Chicken Boo]

15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You got that right!  This board will blame anyone and anything except Allen.

 

Why?  Because they know the QB is by far the most important piece in the whole puzzle, and the thought that Allen isn't what was hoped for is more than your average Bills fan can handle.

 

 

 

 

 

The big debate on this board in 2017 was Mahomes v Watson.  Unbelievably, the Bills, at pick 10, had a shot at both and selected neither.

 

Will haunt us for at least the next decade.

 

[Locomark]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

Our offense has the pieces to be more dynamic/ aggressive, it’s the offensive theory / game plan that is lacking imo.  Sure wish I could do something about this....

 

Go Bills!!!

Sorry I don’t think we have the pieces yet. Watch our spread passing plays including that 4th down play. Josh has no one open too often and that’s a big problem. A bad secondary blanketed our WRs today often. It’s not just design. 

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Got a bad doughnut from Tim Horton's today, kind of stale

 

Tim Horton's is a pretty reputable establishment.  I bet if you returned it they would replace it with a fresh one for you free of charge.

[Chris66]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, let’s turn it around on you.  Do you feel that the defense and ST held up their end today, or is pointing out problems there just an Allen-excuse strategy in your view?

Bills D had a bad day, but the game was wom when the eagles scored 17. The offence has to be able to hold up their end when the d is struggling.

[TwistofFate]

The only thing on display was poor team effort in all 3 phases. 

 

Special teams - missed field goal and blocked extra point.

 

Defense -  gave up over 200 yards on the ground and unable to get off the field on 3rd.

 

Offense - Josh Allen giving the ball away on our own doorstep, 3 fumbles, missed open Wr's all over the field and poor offensive execution as a whole.

 

All three phases were bad...all three phases contributed to the loss.

 

The Eagles were a desperate team, desperate for a win.  Wounded teams are dangerous teams, period.

 

Furthermore they attacked the same spots on defense that Miami exploited last week.  Levi is bad..period, and has been exposed.

 

This was just a bad game all around...blame is everywhere.

[Nextmanup]

50 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yep waiting for those to tell me.....  "I don't care about the offense or watching an exciting/enjoyable game......  All I want is a win and 10-7 is perfectly fine".....

 

 

Look at what most folks are telling you in this thread.  They are happy with how things are.  I guess they will be happy about a wildcard playoff loss and that 10-7 record you mention, too.  That's exactly what we are on pace for.  

 

You would think this board would want more, but apparently it doesn't!

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

33 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

D was a problem today, without question. The offense was gifted a fumble recovery deep in PHL territory and couldn’t do anything. That was the beginning of the end of this game. Totally different after that. They just couldn’t hang and the D was gashed, then gassed. 

I said earlier this year that this "good" defense will not be able to sustain this all year. The lack of consistency on offense will eventually break down the D. It started last week and got worse today.  We're not blowing out the Redskins. It will be close, low scoring and again Dumbell will struggle with play selection. I can easily see McB replace Daboll after the season. This so called Belichick disciple is a fail.

[Ray Finkel]

55 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Was so tired of being shouted down when I and others say they want to see what the offense has & that 14-10 wins are not sustainable.

 

This team was 5-1 and I was upset with how they play & the coaching philosophy and today it was on full display. 

 

5 ugly wins and today no sense of purpose until the third quarter.   The drive to get it to 17-13 was the only time the Bills looked really in-sync.  

 

I want the Bills to come out wanting to throw for 300+ & score 30+ points.

 

Been a long time since that was the mindset (yes scored over 40 vs. NYJ & Miami last year)......  

Can’t do it with Josh as QB.  I feel like it is the EJ experiment all over.  Let’s go trade for a receiver and that will help.  Not.  

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Look at what most folks are telling you in this thread.  They are happy with how things are.  I guess they will be happy about a wildcard playoff loss and that 10-7 record you mention, too.  That's exactly what we are on pace for.  

 

You would think this board would want more, but apparently it doesn't!

 

 

 

That might be all they can do this year.  Everyone would want and undefeated Super Bowl season but......................

reality.

[SoCal Deek]

8-8

 

[Lagoon Blues]

Loud noises.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I said earlier this year that this "good" defense will not be able to sustain this all year. The lack of consistency on offense will eventually break down the D. It started last week and got worse today.  We're not blowing out the Redskins. It will be close, low scoring and again Dumbell will struggle with play selection. I can easily see McB replace Daboll after the season. This so called Belichick disciple is a fail.

Definitely could happen. I don’t see a big breakthrough where they start to get better results. Nip and tuck games all season looks probable. 

[Nextmanup]

28 minutes ago, FUTURIST said:

 

Win 10 or 11?  Against who.  They beat the Redskins, Dolphins, and Jets, and likely the Broncos.

 

Are they winning on the road against Cleveland, Dallas, Pittsburgh or New England. Or at home against the Ravens?   I don't see it.  9 wins.

 

28 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

 

In 2019 you do not keep teams to 0-14 pts for 16 weeks. Once you can accept how football is played in 2019 we can get somewhere. 

 

27 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You can not win in this league thinking 14-10 will do it, which is how the coaching staff play calls..... 

 

3 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

Can’t do it with Josh as QB.  I feel like it is the EJ experiment all over.  Let’s go trade for a receiver and that will help.  Not.  

Some folks get it around here.  Not many, but at least a few do.

 

[Billsatlastin2018]

58 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

The O didnt give up 31...which could have been much worse if the Eagles had wanted to run it up.

 

No, it didn’t.

 

Nor, could it put up 14! ?? Embarrassingly inept.

[RaoulDuke79]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That might be all they can do this year.  Everyone would want and undefeated Super Bowl season but......................

reality.

Exactly.......its almost as if OP and the rest of these sad sacks couldn't wait for a loss so they could hop behind the keyboard to say. " I told you so, we had a bad game, pack your bags , the seasons over". We have the best record we have had in quite some time, but somehow people love to wallow in the misery of a loss.

[Johnnycage46]

Just now, Billsatlastin2018 said:

 

No, it didn’t.

 

Nor, could it put up 14! ?? Embarrassingly inept.

Agreed.  The D was inept.

[RyanC883]

Just now, Ray Finkel said:

Can’t do it with Josh as QB.  I feel like it is the EJ experiment all over.  Let’s go trade for a receiver and that will help.  Not.  

 

trade for Teddy! 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Exactly.......its almost as if OP and the rest of these sad sacks couldn't wait for a loss so they could hop behind the keyboard to say. " I told you so, we had a bad game, pack your bags , the seasons over". We have the best record we have had in quite some time, but somehow people love to wallow in the misery of a loss.

 

That's fine if people want to be that way but my deal is fans wanting huge victories every week.  The Bills are playing the 2019 season

and none of us are going to know how it ends.  I would love them to be better than the Patriots but the reality is they have more work to do.

 

So far I have enjoyed the season and am looking forward to some more wins.  Any b!tching ain't gonna make Josh throw for 350 yards.

LOL

 

I am interested in whether Beane can work a trade in or not.  I know he is looking, he's always looking.

[Billsatlastin2018]

4 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Agreed.  The D was inept.

See the complete game.

 

Allen: 16/34 for 169 & QBR 22...

 

TWENTY FREAKING TWO!

 

Both sides were terrible, the O led by Allen & Daboll.

[BringBackOrton]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It’s not all about defense, but I’m really not sure that’s the lesson I take watching this game.

Our D got gashed badly.  Blown out.

 

If you want to win against any decent team you have got to be able to stop the run up the middle on D

If you want to win against any decent team you have GOT to be able to get off the field any time you have them pinned 3rd and >10

The unfortunate thing is I think we all recognized the offense was going to have to bail out the defense today. Did anyone have faith that the offense could put up 30+ and keep us in it? Isn’t that the real problem?

[billsfan_34]

We lost ugly today

[Johnnycage46]

4 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

See the complete game.

 

Allen: 16/34 for 169 & QBR 22...

 

TWENTY FREAKING TWO!

 

Both sides were terrible, the O led by Allen & Daboll.

31.  Points allowed by the D.  QBR never tells the whole story.  Let it go.  

[Lurker]

16 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Look at what most folks are telling you in this thread.  They are happy with how things are.  I guess they will be happy about a wildcard playoff loss and that 10-7 record you mention, too.  That's exactly what we are on pace for.  

 

You would think this board would want more, but apparently it doesn't!

 

 

 

I'll tell you what.  Get out the fairy dust and turn a few more Bills players into all pros.   Or better yet, get a fairy godmother and turn all the other teams into mice.

 

It takes talent and experience to win in this league.    Better talent and more experience almost always wins.   Now, of the two teams on the field today, which would you say had the better talent and greater experience?

 

I'll hang up and listen...

[oldmanfan]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

The unfortunate thing is I think we all recognized the offense was going to have to bail out the defense today. Did anyone have faith that the offense could put up 30+ and keep us in it? Isn’t that the real problem?

No it’s not.   It was a team loss, caused by getting beat up front in both sides of the ball. Offense should have played better, defense should have played better, coaches should have coached better.

 

The attempts to twist the sad team performance today into another Allen slam by you and others is really pathetic.  He could have played better today.  So could the other 40 some guys that were out there.

[Phil The Thrill]

55 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

Don’t see how they are any different than what we thought...they can beat some bad teams and will almost always lose to good teams. Mediocre. Been the name of their game for 20 years. 

And it’s not like we haven’t seen hot starts before.

 

Thats because coaching staff, players, front office staff and owners haven’t changed over the past 20 years 

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

No it’s not.   It was a team loss, caused by getting beat up front in both sides of the ball. Offense should have played better, defense should have played better, coaches should have coached better.

 

The attempts to twist the sad team performance today into another Allen slam by you and others is really pathetic.  He could have played better today.  So could the other 40 some guys that were out there.

Unfortunately, I think that’s not the case. I think the defense has bailed the offense out in a lot of the games this year. Sometimes you have to outscore an opponent to win. Sometimes it’s just not your defenses’ day. 

 

Our defense held down a couple teams this year. Held the Pats close. Held the Jets close after the offense had 4 TO’s. Had a big pick vs the Dolphins to change momentum. Bengals game etc etc.

 

When the Eagles scored on their second straight drive after half, we needed the offense to bail us out. They could not. Facts are facts. Good teams have an offense that can bail out a bad day by the defense and vice versa. The Bills are not that team.

 

See what the 49ers are doing against a quality opponent for how good teams operate.

Edited October 27, 2019 by BringBackOrton

[BringBackOrton]

52 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Yeah because points allowed don't matter.

Points scored also matters.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Unfortunately, I think that’s not the case. I think the defense has bailed the offense out in a lot of the games this year. Sometimes you have to outscore an opponent to win. Sometimes it’s just not your defenses’ day. 

 

Our defense held down a couple teams this year. Held the Pats close. Held the Jets close after the offense had 4 TO’s. Had a big pick vs the Dolphins to change momentum. Bengals game etc etc.

 

When the Eagles scored on their second straight drive after half, we needed the offense to bail us out. They could not. Facts are facts. Good teams have an offense that can bail out a bad day by the defense and vice versa. The Bills are not that team.

 

See what the 49ers are doing against a quality opponent for how good teams operate.

Today was a day that was lost up front on both sides.  But because you are anti-Allen you twist it.  Absurd.  And again he could have played better.

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Today was a day that was lost up front on both sides.  But because you are anti-Allen you twist it.  Absurd.  And again he could have played better.

We scored 13 points. Our offense failed to be anything other than a disappointment. Our defense had a bad day. There is a difference, because I’ve watched the rest of the games this year.

[1ManRaid]

I haven't really been on the forum today, but made sure to come here now just to spectate the whiner "fans" who are happy we lost just so they can lord their pessimistic hot takes over us.  Happens after every loss following a bit of success.

[Don Otreply]

30 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Sorry I don’t think we have the pieces yet. Watch our spread passing plays including that 4th down play. Josh has no one open too often and that’s a big problem. A bad secondary blanketed our WRs today often. It’s not just design. 

Could be, but last year we got guys open toward the later part of the season, and we have a better WR Corp now, it’s not that we should not go after players, but the scheme is not helping our cause as it were, I think they are not taking full advantage of our players skill sets. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

We scored 13 points. Our offense failed to be anything other than a disappointment. Our defense had a bad day. There is a difference, because I’ve watched the rest of the games this year.

I could care less about other games this year.  They mean nothing to today's game which is the topic of conversation.  

 

Allen needs to continue to improve.  To imply today’s loss is his fault is ridiculous.

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I could care less about other games this year.  They mean nothing to today's game which is the topic of conversation.  

 

Allen needs to continue to improve.  To imply today’s loss is his fault is ridiculous.

Today was the offenses fault and Allen as the QB and the leader of the offense will take the lions share of the offensive blame, just like every other QB has since football invented the forward pass.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

Today was the offenses fault and Allen as the QB and the leader of the offense will take the lions share of the offensive blame, just like every other QB has since football invented the forward pass.

Today was defensive and offensive faults and because of being dominated up front.  Winning football happens up front as it has since football was invented.