Franco_92 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Bunch of Eagles fans at the game all over the stadium. Pretty much a neutral field today It was awful. Part of it is the bandwagon effect. I teach classes at a college in Oklahoma and polled my students to see what NFL teams are cheered for in a fairly neutral area (most of our students are natives of Oklahoma or Dallas, Texas). There were 3 Eagles fans for every fan of any other team combined in the league out of my ~250 students. In what should be either neutral ground or Cowboys territory for the few NFL fans that exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: “They are gonna lose some games” because that’s what mediocre teams do. Don’t you want more than mediocrity? Of course we all want that as fans. Doesn’t mean we’re gonna get it though. I’ll take a winning record and a playoff berth. The tricky thing about this fan business is that we pretty much have to live with what the team’s owners and FO decide to do. If not, we can always find another team that meets our expectations. Trouble is, theres something hollow to me in just deciding to root for the Pats*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: 5-2. Take a breath. Nice to be 5-2 and feel they haven’t played their best yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Bills fans before the year: A 5-2 start would be great Bills fans now: OMG FIRE EVERYONE We ALL would have taken 5-2 if you asked us before the year. Beat Washington next week and you are at 6-2. 10 wins gets you in the AFC Wild Card this year so go 4-4 in the 2nd half and you *should* be good. Does this team have issues it has to work out? Yes. Are they a Super Bowl contender this year? Probably not. But I didn't see anyone saying they were to start the year. Of course you get into the Playoffs and anything can happen. But some people need to get off the ledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: What schedule are you talking about? It’s year three of McDermott, second year under Allen. The time to strike is when the QB is on his rookie contract. And yet this team looks exactly like they did a year ago. The only difference has been crappy opponents. There is no progress. LMAO ‘crappy opponents’. They’re 5-2. Last season at week 8 they were what, 2-6? But waaaaaah no progress you guys kill me, so emotional over a loss?unless you had dreams of 15-1...get over it. They had a bad day and it cost them, that’s the whole story until next week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: Such a typical attitude within this fanbase. To say they are no better than last year is just stupid. They are 5-2. Math. Now, do they have things to fix and work on? Obviously. But to come on here and rant about how Allen is terrible and McD is terrible and so on is just crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: What schedule are you talking about? It’s year three of McDermott, second year under Allen. The time to strike is when the QB is on his rookie contract. And yet this team looks exactly like they did a year ago. The only difference has been crappy opponents. There is no progress. I love how most folks here are totally cool with losing and "being on schedule" for success, at some undefined, distant, mirky, future point in time. Never mind that it's not 1983 anymore and this is a win now league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, IronyAbounds said: Have to disagree. The 5 wins are against teams that are a combined 7-30 at this point, and none of the wins were dominating. In fact, I'd argue the Bills' best game was the loss to the Patriots. Fortunately, their next four games are against bad to awful teams, but the last 5 will pose some problems. In any event, if the Bills are ahead of schedule, being a SB contender must be scheduled quite a ways in the future. They weren’t going to be in the Super Bowl this year, they do not have the talent on offense. They are set up for a run at a championship next season and always have been. Most people understood this at beginning of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Nextmanup said: I love how most folks here are totally cool with losing and "being on schedule" for success, at some undefined, distant, mirky, future point in time. Never mind that it's not 1983 anymore and this is a win now league. No one is cool with today’s loss. Don’t be a moron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Such a typical attitude within this fanbase. I guess I’m just not certain what the fan base has to do with the product on the field. As far as I can tell, the impact is zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, arcane said: It was awful. Part of it is the bandwagon effect. I teach classes at a college in Oklahoma and polled my students to see what NFL teams are cheered for in a fairly neutral area (most of our students are natives of Oklahoma or Dallas, Texas). There were 3 Eagles fans for every fan of any other team combined in the league out of my ~250 students. In what should be either neutral ground or Cowboys territory for the few NFL fans that exist. Folks love a winner...preferably a current winner. Nothing new there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: I love how most folks here are totally cool with losing and "being on schedule" for success, at some undefined, distant, mirky, future point in time. Never mind that it's not 1983 anymore and this is a win now league. Is 5-2 losing now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Wayne demands accountability! lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wayne Arnold Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: They weren’t going to be in the Super Bowl this year, they do not have the talent on offense. They are set up for a run at a championship next season and always have been. Most people understood this at beginning of season. That’s not how this league works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: They weren’t going to be in the Super Bowl this year, they do not have the talent on offense. They are set up for a run at a championship next season and always have been. Most people understood this at beginning of season. This is a pretty realistic assessment. While they made some big changes on the O, it was because they had little worth keeping. They’re still a stud WR and a tackle away ( at least ) on offense, and the D needs an elite pass rusher. That doesn’t mean they can’t still improve this year and even make the playoffs. I doubt anyone thought this roster was championship caliber right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: 5-2. Take a breath. Yep. It amazes me that year after year following a loss the same posters ALWAYS say the Bills players/coaches/front office stink, are pathetic etc. And NEVER acknowledge that the other team just might be better. Philly was the bigger, better and more experience team heading into the game--and the results showed it. Does that mean the Bills should just roll over and forget about the remaining nine games? Apparently some posters here would say yes to that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: In his post game presser, McDermott pretty much said that the OL was getting pushed back so we couldn’t run. Shouldn’t this be something the right play calling can counter and take advantage of, at least to some extent? I dunno that just sounded like an excuse to me. Yeah. While the Bills defensive line didn't play well, most of the Eagles big hits on the ground were also the result of creative play calling that had the defense going in the wrong direction. Pederson is a terrific offensive mind. I'm growing tired of saying person X "needs to do better" offensively. Not advocating for firing anyone so the outrage crowd can calm down; I do think it's safe to say Daboll is no Doug Pederson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He is having a very nice season so far, despite today's debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: That’s not how this league works. How does it work then ? The Niners appear to be for real after a few drafts and FA acquisitions , and they don’t have a QB on a rookie deal either. I don’t think there’s just one way to get it done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Lurker said: Yep. It amazes me that year after year following a loss the same posters ALWAYS say the Bills players/coaches/front office stink, are pathetic etc. And NEVER acknowledge that the other team just might be better. Philly was the bigger, better and more experience team heading into the game--and the results showed it. Does that mean the Bills should just roll over and forget about the remaining nine games? Apparently some posters here would say yes to that... NFL games get obsessively dissected, but sometimes it’s simply that one team plays better. That’s what happened today. Got their butt kicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: NFL games get obsessively dissected, but sometimes it’s simply that one team plays better. That’s what happened today. Got their butt kicked. That’s what is often forgotten. How’d the Jets look after their big win over the Cowboys ? Many were picking them to upset New England , lol . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Boatdrinks said: That’s what is often forgotten. How’d the Jets look after their big win over the Cowboys ? Many were picking them to upset New England , lol . Every year some teams get their behinds kicked by teams below them in the standings. Hell, every week pretty much. That said they have things to fix to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: How does it work then ? The Niners appear to be for real after a few drafts and FA acquisitions , and they don’t have a QB on a rookie deal either. I don’t think there’s just one way to get it done. Why are the Niners for real this season in Shanahan’s third season while the Bills remain pretenders? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Oliver was the only good run defender on the team today and the All-22 will back me up on that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Playing for his next co tract in his free agency year. And he will probably GET PAID, too. Not certain it will be from us, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lurker said: Yep. It amazes me that year after year following a loss the same posters ALWAYS say the Bills players/coaches/front office stink, are pathetic etc. And NEVER acknowledge that the other team just might be better. Philly was the bigger, better and more experience team heading into the game--and the results showed it. Does that mean the Bills should just roll over and forget about the remaining nine games? Apparently some posters here would say yes to that... There is one flaw with your theory. If the other team is better (which too many have been over the years) you can blame the front office for that. On a serious note, I like this team and the current regime. I just think we have a way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: Why are the Niners for real this season in Shanahan’s third season while the Bills remain pretenders? The Bills tore down the offense after year one. It’s year 3 yes, but the niners are a year ahead. Bills need another good draft and FA period. They took a different approach, and there’s more than one way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeMaxB585 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 game like this was my fear. beat down by a legit team at home. we have only beaten dog crap teams on an easy schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: This is a pretty realistic assessment. While they made some big changes on the O, it was because they had little worth keeping. They’re still a stud WR and a tackle away ( at least ) on offense, and the D needs an elite pass rusher. That doesn’t mean they can’t still improve this year and even make the playoffs. I doubt anyone thought this roster was championship caliber right now. Yup I had us at 10-6 with the wildcard this year and I’ve hit every single game in the prediction to be at 5-2 right now. The people who are upset right now are just mad they got ahead of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Boatdrinks said: The Bills tore down the offense after year one. It’s year 3 yes, but the niners are a year ahead. Bills need another good draft and FA period. They took a different approach, and there’s more than one way to do it. Also, I'm not sure that the 49ers are built to win a championship with Jimmy G at QB. It looks great now but you generally need excellent QB play to win in the playoffs with very, very few exceptions. We'll see if they have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Lurker said: Yep. It amazes me that year after year following a loss the same posters ALWAYS say the Bills players/coaches/front office stink, are pathetic etc. And NEVER acknowledge that the other team just might be better. Philly was the bigger, better and more experience team heading into the game--and the results showed it. Does that mean the Bills should just roll over and forget about the remaining nine games? Apparently some posters here would say yes to that... Yes, year after year no one acknowledges the be Bills might not just be that good as we make the playoffs and make Super Bowl runs over and over. Edited October 28, 2019 by FireChans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Yes the D sucked, but it was all after that huge turnover. You have to go into the locker room up at least 7-3. Nonsense. This isn't high school football. You don't fold the tent up and go home just because you lose a 7 - 3 lead at half and go down 11 - 7. These guys are PROFESSIONALS. There should have been NO ill effects after the fumble and Eagle TD drive. And for the record if this was truly an elite defense, say like NE's, why do we assume they give up a TD AND 2 pt conversion here. How about we go into the locker room up 7 - 6 at half? Don't make more of the fumble then it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: This is a pretty realistic assessment. While they made some big changes on the O, it was because they had little worth keeping. They’re still a stud WR and a tackle away ( at least ) on offense, and the D needs an elite pass rusher. That doesn’t mean they can’t still improve this year and even make the playoffs. I doubt anyone thought this roster was championship caliber right now. Exactly right. They improved an offense that was in the bottom two in the NFL last year and lifted it to (at best) the middle of the pack. But this is still NOT an offense that can explode for a lot of points. And for the record, it's not like the D & Special teams have helped an admittedly mediocre O with great field position. Through 7 games the D & ST's have given the ball to the O in the opponents red zone only once. In fact, they have given the ball to the O on the opponents side of the field ONLY twice. Our O has had to go on to many long drives to score points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Nonsense. This isn't high school football. You don't fold the tent up and go home just because you lose a 7 - 3 lead at half and go down 11 - 7. These guys are PROFESSIONALS. There should have been NO ill effects after the fumble and Eagle TD drive. And for the record if this was truly an elite defense, say like NE's, why do we assume they give up a TD AND 2 pt conversion here. How about we go into the locker room up 7 - 6 at half? Don't make more of the fumble then it was. I get it but the call to run the QB in that situation was emblematic of the questionable play call Daboll has been giving us all year. I don't know whats going through his head but it seems he is convinced (by the analytics no doubt) we have to pass to win and only uses the run game to set up the pass game later, or to do something nonsensically cute like call a designed QB run when Frank Gore has been tearing them apart up the middle. I get the idea using JA's legs now and then but it just seemed like an odd spot to call a designed run like that. I just think he constantly outthinks his own self by doing whatever a logical person would not do. Its got to get to JA and the guys on both sides of the ball after a while. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Lurker said: Yep. It amazes me that year after year following a loss the same posters ALWAYS say the Bills players/coaches/front office stink, are pathetic etc. And NEVER acknowledge that the other team just might be better. Philly was the bigger, better and more experience team heading into the game--and the results showed it. Does that mean the Bills should just roll over and forget about the remaining nine games? Apparently some posters here would say yes to that... The solution to this problem would be for the Bills to be constructed to be the better team on a consistent basis against legit competition. Go beat the teams they should beat and win a couple against good teams and those posters will be silent. There is alot of season left and there are many different directions it could turn. Some are good; some not good. Things are definitely starting to come into focus and it's not all rainbows and butterflies. I'm patient. I'm OK with the season thus far. But all the key players from the GM to the HC to the QB need to do a lot more to earn long term trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: That’s not how this league works. Could you please elaborate and enlighten us as to how it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, FireChans said: Yes, year after year no one acknowledges the be Bills might not just be that good as we make the playoffs and make Super Bowl runs over and over. When are these posters going to start being more appreciative of this franchise and all of their Super Bowl championships?! When???!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s going to cost someone some $$$ this offseason. Good on him to bet on himself with a prove it deal and put in the work for it to pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: When are these posters going to start being more appreciative of this franchise and all of their Super Bowl championships?! When???!!! And you claim you’re not being childish.., 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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