Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: Slow down there. I don't have a problem with the general direction of the football team. I think some of us are concerned that the linchpin in the whole operation is a QB that can play every week. To not have skeptical eyes gazing towards young lord Josh is simply idiotic. His numbers show that he is one of the worst QBs in football given the advanced stats. Capable of incredible plays? Yes. Not a real QB. He is what he is. Says the right things, looks the part. Can't stop his natural tendency to cough up the rock and generally do less-than-full-brain-capacity things with the football. It’s one thing to not have skeptical eyes - I think most of the more football-experienced crowd on the board feels jury’s still out on Josh - development this season, still some good, some bad, and a bunch of things he has to improve if he’s gonna be The Man for us. It’s another thing to make posts that suggest you’re watching the Bills games with perhaps less-than-full-brain-capacity. Josh has made much better decisions with the football as far as ball security goes as the season has gone on since the Patriots game. Conditions pretty well sucked today, in case you didn’t know, Wentz has a total of 2 fumbles in the previous 6 games, and he fumbled today. Bottom line though, it’s pretty much impossible to have no problem with the general direction of the football team but to have a problem with, as you say, the lynchpin to the whole operation. The thing is, many of the best QB playing today either did not look that good in their 2nd season or, did not play in their second season. So we have to see how Allen progresses through the season - does he continue to develop or does he take a step back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: He needs to balance his performance over 4 quarters. Today was a bad day for the team overall. But going into today he had the highest 4th quarter QBR in the league. Apparently you like the QBR so read that again. Guys like that don’t suck. Guys that are 30 out of 32 do suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: He is 30 out of 32 in QBR. What metric do you look for? I don't get you apologists. It's like talking to crazy people. I've watched every second of JAs career and the stats match up to what I see. He sucks! You said he needs to play in chaos? How? He’s not out there doing wild stuff anymore. Hes solidly accurate from 0-20 and needs to work on his deep ball. His decision making has been much better since NE. Hes deadly in the redzone. He’s clearly growing as a QB, and he needs to get better, but you do realize Sam and Baker are struggling and we don’t have anything resembling the weapons Mahomes/Watson have. Were 5-2 and you want to throw around advanced stats like we don’t watch the games. At least the Jets/Pats stat-skewing games in a, so far, 7 game season, can help you sound somewhat knowledgeable.... for now. Edited October 28, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Except....it was McDermott & Co who made the decision to go into the season with Gore, Singletary and Yeldon. That's why I don't think the brain trust saw this as "the year". These guys are aren't dumb and they knew they were thin at RB - both in number & talent. 11 minutes ago, vincec said: It's a passing offense. I don't think that they are going to make getting a dominating RB a priority. Better off looking for OT and WR help if they keep Daboll. I could live with throwing the money at WR & OT but they still have to upgrade RB. Edited October 28, 2019 by CincyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It’s one thing to not have skeptical eyes - I think most of the more football-experienced crowd on the board feels jury’s still out on Josh - development this season, still some good, some bad, and a bunch of things he has to improve if he’s gonna be The Man for us. It’s another thing to make posts that suggest you’re watching the Bills games with perhaps less-than-full-brain-capacity. Josh has made much better decisions with the football as far as ball security goes as the season has gone on since the Patriots game. Conditions pretty well sucked today, in case you didn’t know, Wentz has a total of 2 fumbles in the previous 6 games, and he fumbled today. Bottom line though, it’s pretty much impossible to have no problem with the general direction of the football team but to have a problem with, as you say, the lynchpin to the whole operation. The thing is, many of the best QB playing today either did not look that good in their 2nd season or, did not play in their second season. So we have to see how Allen progresses through the season - does he continue to develop or does he take a step back? I appreciate the measured response. I will, however, disagree with not being able to be on board with the team as a whole and off the boat with Josh. I think that part of modern football is coaches and front offices becoming married to the guy they picked. I like much of the coaching staff. I like most of the team. I think in this day and age it becomes everyone is going down with the ship. He is objectively one of the worst QBs in football according to the stats. They are trying to make it work. Daboll didn't forget how to play offense. I believe he has a QB he is forced to play that can't do what he's asking him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: You said he needs to play in chaos? How? He’s not out there doing wild stuff anymore. Hes solidly accurate from 0-20 and needs to work on his deep ball. His decision making has been much better since NE. Hes deadly in the redzone. He’s clearly growing as a QB, and he needs to get better, but you do realize Sam and Baker are struggling and we don’t have anything resembling the weapons Mahomes/Watson have. Were 5-2 and you want to throw around advanced stats like we don’t watch the games. At least the Jets/Pats stat-skewing games in a, so far, 7 game season, can help you sound somewhat knowledgeable.... for now. 30 of 32. I watch the games too, friendo. I'll be your Huckleberry. What about JA do you love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: Guys that are 30 out of 32 do suck. So you use QBR as your benchmark, his going into today was the highest one in the 4th quarter in the league, and all of a sudden it doesn’t mean anything. OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: So you use QBR as your benchmark, his going into today was the highest one in the 4th quarter in the league, and all of a sudden it doesn’t mean anything. OK. I don't think you understand how numbers work. His 30 out of 32 ranking includes his 4th quarters. That means his first three quarters have been so bad it brings his overall rating to 30 of 32. Got it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: Why don't you watch a HS team? I can say whatever the hell I want and still watch the team. Watching a player that is ranked 30 ourlt of 32 at the most important position in sports and not being able to critique is stupid. Critique all you want. Just empathizing with your plight, fan to fan. The simple fact is you can choose to watch or not, but that’s about it. The team will do what they’re going to do. If it upsets you that much, maybe it’s time to take a break. I wouldn’t bother watching something that I found so annoying, but that’s just me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: I appreciate the measured response. I will, however, disagree with not being able to be on board with the team as a whole and off the boat with Josh. I think that part of modern football is coaches and front offices becoming married to the guy they picked. I like much of the coaching staff. I like most of the team. I think in this day and age it becomes everyone is going down with the ship. He is objectively one of the worst QBs in football according to the stats. They are trying to make it work. Daboll didn't forget how to play offense. I believe he has a QB he is forced to play that can't do what he's asking him to. The front office is not going to give up on a guy 17 starting games or however many games it is into his career..they will do their best to put all their pieces into place and a in the next year or two and then yeah it will be up to josh to show what he’s capable of.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: The front office is not going to give up on a guy 17 starting games or however many games it is into his career..they will do their best to put all their pieces into place and a in the next year or two and then yeah it will be up to josh to show what he’s capable of.. Bingo^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Critique all you want. Just empathizing with your plight, fan to fan. The simple fact is you can choose to watch or not, but that’s about it. The team will do what they’re going to do. If it upsets you that much, maybe it’s time to take a break. I wouldn’t bother watching something that I found so annoying, but that’s just me. You must not care as much as I do. Am I going to B word and complain when I think fixable things are not being fixed, yes. Will I allow it to influence my day to day life? Of course not. I thought message boards were for this sort of thing. Maybe I'm in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthernBills said: I don't think you understand how numbers work. His 30 out of 32 ranking includes his 4th quarters. That means his first three quarters have been so bad it brings his overall rating to 30 of 32. Got it? Well first of all I guarantee I understand numbers and stats better than you. Second, if you would actually read, I said he has to balance his performance over 4 quarters. Finally, a young QB that excels in the fourth quarter of games does not suck. If he did he wouldn’t perform that well when the heat is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthernBills said: You must not care as much as I do. Am I going to B word and complain when I think fixable things are not being fixed, yes. Will I allow it to influence my day to day life? Of course not. I thought message boards were for this sort of thing. Maybe I'm in the wrong place. Hmmm? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Pats. Cowboys. Same...what about the 3rd (for 5th of the season)? I am thinking Cleveland, Baltimore, and Steelers might be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Well first of all I guarantee I understand numbers and stats better than you. Second, if you would actually read, I said he has to balance his performance over 4 quarters. Finally, a young QB that excels in the fourth quarter of games does not suck. If he did he wouldn’t perform that well when the heat is on. For such an astute stats man, you must understand that everything regresses to the mean given a proper sample size. 1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Hmmm? Do you want a board full of homers? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: For such an astute stats man, you must understand that everything regresses to the mean given a proper sample size. Yes I do. Regresses up if below the mean and down if above. Why do you ask? Oh, by the way, since you love QBR, can you tell us how the formula works? Or why it has been the subject of criticism? As for sample size, has Allen had a big enough sample size? What are you sampling? Have you done a power analysis? You sure you want to start down this road? Edited October 28, 2019 by oldmanfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: How you figure that? It's 3, I guess it just feels like McDermott has been here 4 years already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: For such an astute stats man, you must understand that everything regresses to the mean given a proper sample size. Do you want a board full of homers? I don't get it. No, I just responding to your thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertig0 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: I don't think you understand how numbers work. His 30 out of 32 ranking includes his 4th quarters. That means his first three quarters have been so bad it brings his overall rating to 30 of 32. Got it? Based on your own logic, if 30 out of 32 sucks, then top 10 guys should be yearly studs. 2017 - Keenum - 2nd; Alex Smith - 8th; 2018 - Trubisky - 3rd; Winston - 8th Those guys sure are world beaters right now (apologies to Alex Smith and his robotic leg). Goff went to a Super Bowl and is currently 25th, he must suck too. Carson Wentz was 26th in his rookie season (which Josh just barely got out of in terms of games played), he must be trash. While I'll agree that Josh has his problems and there's plenty of work to do - you can't rest solely on one stat. One season and one stat does not determine whether a QB will be successful or not; especially considering Allen was always considered to be a project. I don't recall anyone ever saying "this kid is a year 1 starter, pro-ready". Instead, I recall hearing, "has all the physical tools, is super raw, needs to sit and learn (which he never got the opportunity to do) and he could, potentially be a top guy." 18 starts in, we're 5-2, we lost one game where we got our asses kicked as a whole, and now the multi-year project QB is now an immediate bust. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: I don't think you understand how numbers work. His 30 out of 32 ranking includes his 4th quarters. That means his first three quarters have been so bad it brings his overall rating to 30 of 32. Got it? You gonna be okay ? No one cares about qbr fwiw, you can stop preaching anytime now ? Edited October 28, 2019 by Teddy KGB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) We tend to forget that despite some problems this year, a lot of good players remain on that team. I knew this would be a tough game for the Bills. This game shows that the Bills have work to do on the defense. The Bills are a very good team, but not a finished product. Edited October 28, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Those were tough conditions to judge a passing game. Wendt played pretty well but didn't really have a stellar day either. Screens, some 3rd down runs that extended drives, one nice sideline throw to Jeffries which appeared to be an underthrow. I thought the key would be which offense would have the better run game when moving toward the scoreboard end. That seemed to pan out especially if you lump the screens into that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Yes I do. Regresses up if below the mean and down if above. Why do you ask? Oh, by the way, since you love QBR, can you tell us how the formula works? Or why it has been the subject of criticism? As for sample size, has Allen had a big enough sample size? What are you sampling? Have you done a power analysis? You sure you want to start down this road? Of course I haven't done a power analysis of Josh Allen. Is this a joke? I leave it to people who's job it is to do so. I don't know the damndest thing about my washing machine's energy efficiency. I believe the sticker they put on the damn thing when I bought it. Maybe I'm a mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: I appreciate the measured response. I will, however, disagree with not being able to be on board with the team as a whole and off the boat with Josh. I think that part of modern football is coaches and front offices becoming married to the guy they picked. I like much of the coaching staff. I like most of the team. I think in this day and age it becomes everyone is going down with the ship. He is objectively one of the worst QBs in football according to the stats. They are trying to make it work. Daboll didn't forget how to play offense. I believe he has a QB he is forced to play that can't do what he's asking him to. So are you suggesting we move on from Allen? Maybe bench him and see if Barkley got better since the last time he started in the NFL? Or should we make a play for Andy Dalton? He's thrown for over 300 yards a whole bunch of times this season. Hell he even had a 400 yard, NO INT game to his credit at Seattle! Or do you favor drafting a QB next year in the 1st or 2nd round? IMO Allen has already shown enough to make me think he's the guy. At worst he's shown enough to earn at MINIMUM three full seasons to prove whether he is or isn't the guy. I get not going all in on a guy for 5 - 6 years to see if he'll pan out. But given what Allen has already shown he will get 3 seasons to lift his game to the next level. if he doesn't get that time then the Bills front office will be guilty of gross football negligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, SouthernBills said: Of course I haven't done a power analysis of Josh Allen. Is this a joke? I leave it to people who's job it is to do so. I don't know the damndest thing about my washing machine's energy efficiency. I believe the sticker they put on the damn thing when I bought it. Maybe I'm a mark? You brought up sample size, not me. So why did you bring it up? Sample of what? How big a size? And you have no idea how QBR is calculated (because it’s a proprietary formula with ESPN) but you use it to definitively declare a player sucks. Why don’t you just admit you have no clue? You don’t like Allen, fine. Quit pretending you have data to somehow prove what is just your opinion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: You must not care as much as I do. Am I going to B word and complain when I think fixable things are not being fixed, yes. Will I allow it to influence my day to day life? Of course not. I thought message boards were for this sort of thing. Maybe I'm in the wrong place. You may assume that, but my post count should indicate that I care quite a bit about this team. Are message boards for venting? I suppose if that’s what you’re after. It’s hardly all sunshine and rainbows here, even after a win. It’s also a place for discussion, especially realistic discussion about the team and strategy etc. Is it realistic to think the Bills are ready to move on from Josh Allen ? I’d venture that it probably isn’t , so many fans don’t see the point in trashing the QB until they finally make a change. You can be skeptical while still hoping it works out. Edited October 28, 2019 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: So are you suggesting we move on from Allen? Maybe bench him and see if Barkley got better since the last time he started in the NFL? Or should we make a play for Andy Dalton? He's thrown for over 300 yards a whole bunch of times this season. Hell he even had a 400 yard, NO INT game to his credit at Seattle! Or do you favor drafting a QB next year in the 1st or 2nd round? IMO Allen has already shown enough to make me think he's the guy. At worst he's shown enough to earn at MINIMUM three full seasons to prove whether he is or isn't the guy. I get not going all in on a guy for 5 - 6 years to see if he'll pan out. But given what Allen has already shown he will get 3 seasons to lift his game to the next level. if he doesn't get that time then the Bills front office will be guilty of gross football negligence. What concerns me is that the same problems everyone saw in college are the same problems that have not been fixed. I agree. The timframe is unfair to him. But I'm not sure the issues he has are the ones that are easily or even possibly corrected. His issues seem to be very intrinsic to who he has always been as a player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthernBills said: What concerns me is that the same problems everyone saw in college are the same problems that have not been fixed. I agree. The timframe is unfair to him. But I'm not sure the issues he has are the ones that are easily or even possibly corrected. His issues seem to be very intrinsic to who he has always been as a player. Sorry but untrue. His accuracy has been better this year. Today was a struggle to be sure, but the whole team and especially the lines were terrible today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: You brought up sample size, not me. So why did you bring it up? Sample of what? How big a size? And you have no idea how QBR is calculated (because it’s a proprietary formula with ESPN) but you use it to definitively declare a player sucks. Why don’t you just admit you have no clue? You don’t like Allen, fine. Quit pretending you have data to somehow prove what is just your opinion. That is unfair, sir. I personally declared he sucked. Their made up stats just back up my entrenched opinion. I kid. I understand it's a flawed metric. I'm just as frustrated as anyone else. I don't like JA as a QB but I would be absolutely delighted to be proven a complete moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, SouthernBills said: That is unfair, sir. I personally declared he sucked. Their made up stats just back up my entrenched opinion. I kid. I understand it's a flawed metric. I'm just as frustrated as anyone else. I don't like JA as a QB but I would be absolutely delighted to be proven a complete moron. You specifically brought up sample size and regression to the mean. Why? Allen and the whole team had a tough day today. The kid is getting it though. You don’t perform as well as he has this season in fourth quarters and suck, as you put it. That’s why I think they need to take the chains off and let him play from the opening whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: wildy innacurate! He was 13-21 160 yds and 2 TDS in the 3rd before Philly went on their 10 hr drive. Game went downhill after that, and yes Allen was partially to blame for that. Yes Wildly inaccurate. He was 0-3 on that drive and went downhill from there. throwing 10? straight incompletions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthernBills said: What concerns me is that the same problems everyone saw in college are the same problems that have not been fixed. I agree. The timframe is unfair to him. But I'm not sure the issues he has are the ones that are easily or even possibly corrected. His issues seem to be very intrinsic to who he has always been as a player. I disagree. The primary concern in college was Allen's "accuracy" and I think the data and evidence to date indicates that is NOT a problem. And while the majority of "experts" had significant concerns about Allen a sizable minority thought he was a top 10 pick in the draft based on his extraordinary arm talent. What almost NONE of the "experts" seemed to be aware of was Allen's outstanding athleticism. He has turned out to be much better runner then anyone thought he was. Allen has also clearly made significant progress in a number of the areas where he was supposedly deficient. Just today with his TD pass to Beasley Allen showed a real maturity in not running and instead flipping the ball to the WR. Allen is also taking on more of the pre-snap responsibilities and he's demonstrated excellent leadership skills. He has a lot of work to do but no more then the rest of last years QB draft class has ahead of them. But so far ALL the evidence is that Allen is getting better and his trajectory is pointed solidly upwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 This team is still very young in the journey from door mat to contender 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Yes Wildly inaccurate. He was 0-3 on that drive and went downhill from there. throwing 10? straight incompletions. Every QB can go through periods of being "wildly inaccurate" in a game. Hell watching tonight's game Rogers missed a bunch of throws in the 2nd quarter. My observation was that when it was still a game Allen was playing well. When the D gave up an eight & a half minute, 84 yard drive in the 4th quarter to put the Eagles up by 18 the Offense, including Allen, fell apart in response. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: You specifically brought up sample size and regression to the mean. Why? Allen and the whole team had a tough day today. The kid is getting it though. You don’t perform as well as he has this season in fourth quarters and suck, as you put it. That’s why I think they need to take the chains off and let him play from the opening whistle. We'll have to agree to disagree. What I see is a player that does not have the necessary intangibles to be the long-term answer. You think he does, as do many others, and I hope I am wrong and you are absolutely right. I'll be the first to publicly eat my crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I’ll take Allen over any other QB in the 2018 Draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: That is unfair, sir. I personally declared he sucked. Their made up stats just back up my entrenched opinion. I kid. I understand it's a flawed metric. I'm just as frustrated as anyone else. I don't like JA as a QB but I would be absolutely delighted to be proven a complete moron. Just keep on posting then. Sorry, couldn’t resist an opening like that. To me I see more good than bad. He leads, he wins. Give the kid a few play makers, some better tackles, and some more experience. Edited October 28, 2019 by Bob in STL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: Every QB can go through periods of being "wildly inaccurate" in a game. Hell watching tonight's game Rogers missed a bunch of throws in the 2nd quarter. My observation was that when it was still a game Allen was playing well. When the D gave up an eight & a half minute, 84 yard drive in the 4th quarter to put the Eagles up by 18 the Offense, including Allen, fell apart in response. How about when we were gifted a miffed punt? Just now, Dr.Sack said: I’ll take Allen over any other QB in the 2018 Draft. That is an excellent point. I think the model should honestly be drafting three QBs a year until you find your guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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