Emmanuel Sanders to 49ers

[FireChans]

Just now, Augie said:

 

For a chance to get 10 games out of a guy who’s not currently playing?  They draft pretty darn well, I don’t want to give up picks without good value just to TRY to fill an immediate need. He’s an injured 31 year old WR at the end of his contract who was also hurt last year. Am I missing something?

I think he has the year after next under contract too. The Pats have a history of “overpaying” in trades and sometimes you think, “maybe this is Brady’s last year.” Unfortunately, that hasn’t been the case. 

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah but this seems way off normal value........a second round pick for Sanu is batshit crazy, IMO.    I'm generally in on underrated, versatile players but I just think there is a lot more style than substance there with Sanu.     He was in an ideal situation in Atlanta getting matchups against nickel and dime coverage for years.    He's like a 600 yard receiver on most teams.   He's an upgrade for New England but that's a guy you should be able to get for a 4th or 5th.   We can only hope that the Falcons just wouldn't trade him to NE for anything less.

BB covets strange players for whatever reason. I agree though.

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I think he has the year after next under contract too. The Pats have a history of “overpaying” in trades and sometimes you think, “maybe this is Brady’s last year.” Unfortunately, that hasn’t been the case. 

 

Spotrac has him as an UFA in 2020. But yes!!! Maybe THIS is the last year for Brady! 

 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/a.j.-green-7719/

 

 

YOWZA!  He’s made almost $90 million so far, and he’s not done yet. 

 

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Edited October 22, 2019 by Augie

[GG]

10 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Do you see Allen progressing to the point where he'll be the guy to find those receivers?

It’s still an open question, but there are enough green shoots to be optimistic for the next summer of recovery.

 

i thought that All-22 of his first half would be awful, but it wasn’t all that bad.   

 

You have to recognize that Bills drafted a physically gifted QB with horrible fundamentals, and it will take a while to correct all flaws. 

 

The game tape doesn’t lie and there are open receivers all over the place, but Allen is still too timid to trust the NFL throws.  For me the progress has been in seeing him move past the first read.  He’s been doing that a lot more this year, but he’s still not pulling the trigger on those throws and still bails to the run too soon.

 

I don’t see an Emanuel Sanders fixing Allen’s issues, because we already have Brown, McKenzie & “Foster”.   Why waste a draft pick on a redundant asset when your QB doesn’t make those throws on a regular basis?

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, DasNootz said:

Market for green is getting smaller but more desperate - Bills, Indy and who? 

I think we need to see what Kroft can do before we make any moves.   Kroft and Knox bring size match up issues.  Can Daboll exploit by putting both of them on the field.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, GG said:

It’s still an open question, but there are enough green shoots to be optimistic for the next summer of recovery.

 

i thought that All-22 of his first half would be awful, but it wasn’t all that bad.   

 

You have to recognize that Bills drafted a physically gifted QB with horrible fundamentals, and it will take a while to correct all flaws. 

 

The game tape doesn’t lie and there are open receivers all over the place, but Allen is still too timid to trust the NFL throws.  For me the progress has been in seeing him move past the first read.  He’s been doing that a lot more this year, but he’s still not pulling the trigger on those throws and still bails to the run too soon.

 

I don’t see an Emanuel Sanders fixing Allen’s issues, because we already have Brown, McKenzie & “Foster”.   Why waste a draft pick on a redundant asset when your QB doesn’t make those throws on a regular basis?

The hope would be that Sanders would be another threat for NFL defenses to account for and to get those tight windows to be open windows. I get what you’re saying though.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Opinion time, does AJ Green put us over the top playoff wise?

 

As good as he is I don’t think he alone does it, would he improve the team? Yes, but by how much??

 

Go Bills!!!

He has to first get  on the field.  

[Nextmanup]

22 minutes ago, One Buffalo said:

Beane is not going to make a panic move.  IF the right move is there, he will consider it and maybe take it.  They have been very clear about their intention to build for the long haul.  A top WR  would be great of course, but I would not be surprised or upset if they don't make a move at all.   

You're on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from me.  

 

This season is highly unusual and wide open.  In the era of free agency, the cap, constant player movement, you don't need to do things in 5 year plans anymore.

 

If we can improve the team at a critical position, I would totally do it.

 

I'm not talking about "panic" though.  That's your word and not really relevant to the situation anyway.

 

A measured move to win "now" instead of down the road need not be the product of panic.

 

 

 

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, ganesh said:

He has to first get  on the field.  

 

And what are 10 games worth to you? That’s a big deal. Ten games? Not much value in that, I’d rather keep high picks and keep building with inexpensive guys who will be here for years. 

 

How about this: We give them a 6th and a 7th from the Pats* oversupply? They’ll never miss them!  ?

 

 

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Edited October 22, 2019 by Augie

[GG]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The hope would be that Sanders would be another threat for NFL defenses to account for and to get those tight windows to be open windows. I get what you’re saying though.

 

It’s not even the tight windows now.   The WRs are open, but not fully open.  That’s why I keep harping on Allen’s toss to Duke in 3Q.  I think it was the best throw in his NFL career, and hopefully more like that will come.

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Come on Buffalo Aj Green

 

Why do you want an injured player who hasn’t played yet this season?

[Aussie Joe]

21 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

For a chance to get 10 games out of a guy who’s not currently playing?  They draft pretty darn well, I don’t want to give up picks without good value just to TRY to fill an immediate need. He’s an injured 31 year old WR at the end of his contract who was also hurt last year. Am I missing something?

 

Oh I'm with you...

 

I wouldn't do it for Green based on where he is at injury wise...

 

Some people though seem to think that they have to do something before the trade deadline... even a high risk move like this one which I don't get...

 

 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

It’s not even the tight windows now.   The WRs are open, but not fully open.  That’s why I keep harping on Allen’s toss to Duke in 3Q.  I think it was the best throw in his NFL career, and hopefully more like that will come.

 

I think I referenced that yesterday as the best throw of his career, but thought it was Knox. You’re right, I believe. That’s the one where he dropped it into the bucket to Duke. THAT throw stood out and I found it VERY encouraging! We all know he has a huge arm, seeing that touch was great. 

[Yav]

Sanders and a 5th round pick to the 49ers for a 3rd and 4th. Thats a damn good deal for the 49ers.

[One Buffalo]

14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You're on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from me.  

 

This season is highly unusual and wide open.  In the era of free agency, the cap, constant player movement, you don't need to do things in 5 year plans anymore.

 

If we can improve the team at a critical position, I would totally do it.

 

I'm not talking about "panic" though.  That's your word and not really relevant to the situation anyway.

 

A measured move to win "now" instead of down the road need not be the product of panic.

 

 

 

 

I am actually more with you than it might appear.  All I am saying is that I expect they are shopping but are not going to act out of desperation.  If the sticker price is too high then I don't expect  them to make a move just because they "have to".  

[FireChans]

15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Oh I'm with you...

 

I wouldn't do it for Green based on where he is at injury wise...

 

Some people though seem to think that they have to do something before the trade deadline... even a high risk move like this one which I don't get...

 

 

Kelvin Benjamin didn’t exactly set us back a decade, you know? I think we are overstating the risk.

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 They draft pretty darn well, I don’t want to give up picks 

 

Not when it comes to wide receivers 

 

I don’t think we have one we drafted on the roster 

Edited October 22, 2019 by Teddy KGB

[LabattBlue]

I don't think Sanders or any other WR on the market is the answer this year.  I think fans just have to live with a year of Allen's growing pains, and hope he elevates his game to the next level in 2020.  I would target a WR in the early rounds of the draft or F/A in the off-season.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Not when it comes to wide receivers 

 

I don’t think we have one we drafted on the roster 

 

How many have we taken high in the last 2 drafts (with Beane)? Is this a Zay hangover? 

[BADOLBILZ]

44 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Kelvin Benjamin didn’t exactly set us back a decade, you know? I think we are overstating the risk.

 

 

And I love the "look how good McBeane have drafted.......we can't trade those picks!"  while totally disregarding the fact that one of the reasons that they seem to have drafted well is because they had SO MANY needs that need/bpa were the same thing.    It's pretty normal for teams to draft less efficiently as their needs decrease.

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

Zero chance they’re looking for tight ends. 
That’s one of the deepest positions on the whole team. I get none of them are Kelce, Ertz or even Austin Hooper but there’s plenty of talent to make an impact on this team. Got to keep getting Knox and Kroft involved in the pass game to see what we have 

 

Kroft has been hurt thus far a non-factor and Knox is super raw. Sweeney I look at as more of a potential high end backup. Lee Smith is more of a niche player. I don't look at the tight end talent and think it is great. I don't think there is a market to find a quality tight end so the point is moot. But I do look at the tight end position and think wow look at all the talent there. Don't get me wrong I love Knox's potential and Sweeney can be a good role player but those guys aren't ready to be starters just yet. I don't look at the position as a deep position as the quality isn't there. 

[inthebuff]

3 hours ago, Bills Survivor said:

He's not asleep at the wheel, hes intelligent. He doesnt want to give up valuable future assets for decent (Sanu) and old (Sanders) skill position players. He's trying to build a perennial contender and you don't get there making desperate moves, despite the impatience in Buffalo for us to be great again after the embarrassing past two decades. We've seen numerous blissfully ignorant GMs over the years but this isn't one of them. If theres a good move to be made for someone to help this team immediately I'm confident they will move on it.

 

This is the correct answer.  We're a year away from being a strong contender.  Right now we're good enough to make the playoffs...but not good enough for an extended run and I don't think renting a Sanu or Sanders is going to put us over the top.  

[SCBills]

IMO, 4th-6th round picks for one year rentals or mid-tier players.  

 

3rd rounders for a good player that you may or may not keep after the year, but the chance for a new contract is possible.  

 

1st/2nd rounders for studs that have years left on their contract or that you will definitely sign to a new contract. 

[Locomark]

Random suggestion...Robbie Anderson ? Jets are out of it and he is on a 1 year deal and probably won’t resign there. Jets probably have no depth to even consider it.

Edited October 22, 2019 by Locomark

[Boatdrinks]

25 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Not when it comes to wide receivers 

 

I don’t think we have one we drafted on the roster 

At least they haven’t don’t so yet. More evidence is needed before a conclusion is reached. With that in mind, a drafted WR isn’t likely to provide much help until the 2021 season. That’s year 5 of McD and Co. If a good deal can be reached for a proven veteran, the Bills should probably make it. 

[Teddy KGB]

10 minutes ago, inthebuff said:

 

This is the correct answer.  We're a year away from being a strong contender.  Right now we're good enough to make the playoffs...but not good enough for an extended run and I don't think renting a Sanu or Sanders is going to put us over the top.  

 

Whats gonna change in a year ?   Why not now ?     

[RochesterRob]

23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

And I love the "look how good McBeane have drafted.......we can't trade those picks!"  while totally disregarding the fact that one of the reasons that they seem to have drafted well is because they had SO MANY needs that need/bpa were the same thing.    It's pretty normal for teams to draft less efficiently as their needs decrease.

  How come your theory did not work during the decade of darkness namely 2001-2010?  We had many needs and if we had truly hit on most of those picks we would have been more than a 6-10 or 7-9 team during that stretch.  And it ain't all on Mularkey, Jauron, etc..  A flub of a draft pick is just that and can happen whether if a team is otherwise well stocked at that position or not.

[Locomark]

2 hours ago, GG said:

WR is not a pressing need for this team

Said no Bills fan ever....

[Rc2catch]

49 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Kroft has been hurt thus far a non-factor and Knox is super raw. Sweeney I look at as more of a potential high end backup. Lee Smith is more of a niche player. I don't look at the tight end talent and think it is great. I don't think there is a market to find a quality tight end so the point is moot. But I do look at the tight end position and think wow look at all the talent there. Don't get me wrong I love Knox's potential and Sweeney can be a good role player but those guys aren't ready to be starters just yet. I don't look at the position as a deep position as the quality isn't there. 

Lot of teams are much worse off at tight end. 
We have talent, although some of it’s unproven talent. 
 

[billsfan89]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

Lot of teams are much worse off at tight end. 
We have talent, although some of it’s unproven talent. 
 

 

Lots of teams are worse but a lot of teams are better too. The Bills right now have an injured unproven veteran, a good blocking tight end (a niche position), a super raw rookie with a lot of potential and another rookie whose ceiling is a fringe starter and needs development.

 

None of these players are making much of an impact. Knox shows his flashes but he also has a lot of bad plays too. Sweeney hasn't been much of a factor and Kroft is often hurt. Lee Smith is doing his role but as I said it is a niche position. 

 

Bottom line I like Knox and Sweeney as a combo long term but the production from the position at the moment is bottom 10 in the league. 

[NoSaint]

5 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Opinion time, does AJ Green put us over the top playoff wise?

 

As good as he is I don’t think he alone does it, would he improve the team? Yes, but by how much??

 

Go Bills!!!

Rarely can you say that about anyone outside a top qb or maybe a game changing pass rusher. And they are priced accordingly.

 

for a day 2 pick, IF you get him healthy... I’d be hard pressed to come up with a more immediately impactful position/player that might be available. Health being the risk of course. 

[GG]

59 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Said no Bills fan ever....

I just did

[BobbyC81]

11 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Not when it comes to wide receivers 

 

I don’t think we have one we drafted on the roster 

 

McCloud is back on the practice squad 

[The Jokeman]

13 hours ago, Locomark said:

Random suggestion...Robbie Anderson ? Jets are out of it and he is on a 1 year deal and probably won’t resign there. Jets probably have no depth to even consider it.

We don't need another speed WR, we need a guy with Duke Williams size but a better resume, I know he's been out forever but signing a guy like Dez Bryant be interesting and not cost us any draft picks. 

[DasNootz]

16 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

You're on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from me.  

 

This season is highly unusual and wide open.  In the era of free agency, the cap, constant player movement, you don't need to do things in 5 year plans anymore.

 

If we can improve the team at a critical position, I would totally do it.

 

I'm not talking about "panic" though.  That's your word and not really relevant to the situation anyway.

 

A measured move to win "now" instead of down the road need not be the product of panic.

 

 

 

This exactly - You have to take a chance to win now, because there's no guarantee that tomorrow will give you a better opportunity.  The schedule is incredibly favorable this season.  The long term viability of our team comes down to if we have consistently strong QB play... if you have that, the rest will fall into place. If we don't, the mid level draft pick we gave up for this chance likely won't make a difference in 2, 3 or 4 years when we're looking to find a new QB.  We have a unique opportunity now in a down conference to contend with a promising question mark at QB, a strong defense and room with the Cap this is the opportunity to take a stab at it.

[Coach Tuesday]

The Bills Were In On Sanders

 

There is a reason why Denver traded Sanders first. Two weeks ago, Broncos GM John Elway was playing wait-and-see on trades. Then, Sanders didn’t play in the second half of a shutout win over the Titans, pushing Denver back into the AFC West picture at 2-4. The receiver met with head coach Vic Fangio on Monday then Elway on Tuesday (before the Broncos played the Chiefs on TNF) and agreed, if Sanders was a good soldier, to consider offers for the receiver. Sanders played 88% of the snaps against Kansas City, catching five balls for 60 yards, and the GM found a hot market—with the Saints and Bills vying with the 49ers and Patriots for his services. So Denver dealt him.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

On 10/22/2019 at 3:03 PM, Bills Survivor said:

He's not asleep at the wheel, hes intelligent. He doesnt want to give up valuable future assets for decent (Sanu) and old (Sanders) skill position players. He's trying to build a perennial contender and you don't get there making desperate moves, despite the impatience in Buffalo for us to be great again after the embarrassing past two decades. We've seen numerous blissfully ignorant GMs over the years but this isn't one of them. If theres a good move to be made for someone to help this team immediately I'm confident they will move on it.

 

This is why I think a guy like Corey Davis might make more sense than an AJ Green. Davis is a younger player, a guy I believe is victim of bad QB play who a change of scenery may help.