Bill Belichick Defends Jones Hit on Josh Allen!

[jethro_tull]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/09/30/bill-belichick-defends-jonathan-jones-hit-on-josh-allen/

 

 

[klos63]

I don't think the hit was a cheap shot. It seemed to me he was putting his shoulder to Allen but went helmet to helmet. I think it was one of things that just happened. The penalty was the correct call because of the hit,  but no ejection necessary.

[oldmanfan]

At the time I posted that I didn't care if they won or lost, but someone had to go after Jones and bury him for the cheap hit.  Still think that way today. 

[clayboy54]

Belichick continued, "for all the money that Mr. Kraft pays out to Al Riveron, I wouldn't have expected anything to come down from the league."

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

No it was a cheap shot because Allen was starting to frustrate there supposed greatest defense.

[Da webster guy]

Well, the refs saw it as an illegal hit and they were right.  The hit resulted in a concussed QB that had to leave the game.  Those are the facts.

 

Nobody will ever know Jones intent, but he went higher than he needed to go.   It would have been natural to hit him in the middle of the body, he went high.

 

Josh was a runner, trying to get the first down, it wasn't a late hit, it was just an illegal one.   Not surprised Bill is having trouble with whats legal or not.

[Rc2catch]

Burfict was ejected, and now suspended the rest of the season for a nasty hit on Doyle and I’m still not sold it was dirtier than the Allen hit. Doyle was trying to get up not being held up by an opponent to tee off on. 

Im not a “refs are paid to be against us” kind of person I thought the game was called fairly for most of the game. The hit on Allen was dirty though in my opinion and he should of gotten a personal foul and I would of supported ejection as well. If Hughes makes that exact same hit on Brady he would of been ejected and possibly suspended today too. 

[May Day 10]

What do we want Belichick to say?  The league gave their guidelines and Belichick said that is the reality and they are going to move on with those guidelines.  He is also going to defend his player, we would expect McDermott to do the same

[uticaclub]

Allen was reckless with the ball and his body all game. He has to learn to slide. They can't bubblewrap the players out there, Allen was fighting for yards and the defender tried to stop him from getting those yards. Heads hit sometimes, hope it wasn't intentional, but if this is your biggest takeaway from the game, there's other issues that need to be addressed.

[All_Pro_Bills]

I watched the replay several times as I'm sure everybody else has too.  It was an intentional helmet to helmet hit.  Jones never raises his arms or attempt to lead with his shoulder or use his body in any way to engage Allen, or attempt to make any kind of legal tackle.  He leads with his helmet into Allen's helmet and lunges toward the ball carrier.  I don't see how it can be any more obvious.  

[klos63]

3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Burfict was ejected, and now suspended the rest of the season for a nasty hit on Doyle and I’m still not sold it was dirtier than the Allen hit. Doyle was trying to get up not being held up by an opponent to tee off on. 

Im not a “refs are paid to be against us” kind of person I thought the game was called fairly for most of the game. The hit on Allen was dirty though in my opinion and he should of gotten a personal foul and I would of supported ejection as well. If Hughes makes that exact same hit on Brady he would of been ejected and possibly suspended today too. 

Burfict has had multiple suspensions because of cheap shots. Comparing these 2 instances are apples and oranges.

[Rc2catch]

Just now, klos63 said:

Burfict has had multiple suspensions because of cheap shots. Comparing these 2 instances are apples and oranges.

Not really, his hit on Doyle wasn’t even that bad to warrant an ejection and now a 12 game suspension. It was illegal sure, but his hit warrants an ejection, and the Allen hit doesn’t? Prior issues are not part of the game day judgement calls

[Haslett_Stomp]

I agree with others in different threads who think his post-hit reaction reveals his intent.  Allen was already wrapped up by another defender and was in the process of going down.  There is no justification for the player to come in and hit Allen, let alone with a helmet to helmet hit.  

[keepthefaith]

Watch #31 after the hit as he has some attitude toward Josh only to be removed by a teammate.  Smart on the Teammate's part but #31 was savoring the moment.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Oh brother 

all you have to do is watch his post hit reaction and you’ll reveal his intent

[C.Biscuit97]

If you didn’t complain about Cam Newton taking these hits, you shouldn’t complain about Allen.  That’s the issue with running qbs. They don’t get those calls as much as pocket passers. 

[row_33]

25 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Burfict was ejected, and now suspended the rest of the season for a nasty hit on Doyle and I’m still not sold it was dirtier than the Allen hit. Doyle was trying to get up not being held up by an opponent to tee off on. 

Im not a “refs are paid to be against us” kind of person I thought the game was called fairly for most of the game. The hit on Allen was dirty though in my opinion and he should of gotten a personal foul and I would of supported ejection as well. If Hughes makes that exact same hit on Brady he would of been ejected and possibly suspended today too. 

 

Burfict's hit was in the category of this.... immediate ejection, nothing remotely close to the hit on Allen.

 

 

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, keepthefaith said:

Watch #31 after the hit as he has some attitude toward Josh only to be removed by a teammate.  Smart on the Teammate's part but #31 was savoring the moment.

 

 

Have you ever played football?  You are jacked after a big hit.  He probably didn’t see the slow motion replay to see he hit him the right way. 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Belichick continued, "for all the money that Mr. Kraft pays out to Al Riveron, I wouldn't have expected anything to come down from the league."

 

With bailouts and inflation, it's really our money. Typical of every rich jerk, force people to pay for their own degradation.

[devldog131]

My issue is with the fact that the hit was completely unnecessary. Allen was wrapped up, with his arms held to his sides, clearly on his way down to the playing surface. The player flew in full speed, head first, into Allen's brain housing group, when there was zero chance he was going to escape from the player tackling him and gain more yardage.

 

Some of the hits that enrage me the most are the Donte Whitner/Kiko Alonso-esque flying in at the end of the play when the ballcarrier is all but on the ground. It is completely unnecessary and doesn't belong in the game.

 

That hit and the bad call (even after review) on the third interception very well may have changed the outcome of the game, and that is when I have a problem with poor officiating and cheap shots. If that interception gets called incomplete, as it should have, take three points off the board for the patriots*, then we probably kick the field goal to tie it at 134 instead of going for it on 4th down at the goal line. Then all we would have needed for the win on the last drive was a field goal, and I'm much more confident in Allen putting us in that position than I am Barkley (with zero reps all week and having sat 3/4 of the game).

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If you didn’t complain about Cam Newton taking these hits, you shouldn’t complain about Allen.  That’s the issue with running qbs. They don’t get those calls as much as pocket passers. 

 

Cam Newton said he didn't get the calls, like it was racism.

 

I'm not complaining either. Rich get rich unless you take them out. I'm just saying give some back and do it to them.

 

Race to the bottom, ruin everything. That's how you win today.

[Mrbojanglezs]

I do think it was a cheap shot, but I also think that Josh needs to stop diving head first when running ASAP

[I'm Spartacus]

I think it was 2008, Bills at home vs. Pats**. Bills defensive back levels Brady and sends his helmet flying. Brady today on radio interview said Belickik told him "if you want to survive in the NFL, either throw that ball away or slide". Allen should have slid to avoid big hit. There was no flag on that 2008 hit either.

[keepthefaith]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Have you ever played football?  You are jacked after a big hit.  He probably didn’t see the slow motion replay to see he hit him the right way. 

 

Yes I have.  There are about 100 plays in a football game where someone is tackled.  You often see celebration but not taunting someone that is down and out.  Had the teammate not intervened it would likely have been worse. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by keepthefaith

[Capco]

Just now, Mrbojanglezs said:

I do think it was a cheap shot, but I also think that Josh needs to stop diving head first when running ASAP

 

If this hit doesn't start getting him to slide in the future then I don't think anything will.  

 

He's got to learn to protect his body (and the football).  

[BarleyNY]

I appreciate Josh’s heart and, yes, it was 3rd and 8 with us down by 6, but he’s got to slide.  We can complain all we want and endlessly debate intent here (and it probably was intentional), but who would be complaining if Poyer had laid out Brady in the same fashion?  What Josh can control is whether he puts himself in position to get hurt or not.  Slide, Josh, slide. 

[BananaB]

It was perfectly done the way Bellichk coached  it. Classless

[keepthefaith]

2 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

I think it was 2008, Bills at home vs. Pats**. Bills defensive back levels Brady and sends his helmet flying. Brady today on radio interview said Belickik told him "if you want to survive in the NFL, either throw that ball away or slide". Allen should have slid to avoid big hit. There was no flag on that 2008 hit either.

 

Agree Josh doesn't protect himself as he should.  That hit though is exactly what the league is trying to eliminate. 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Yes I have.  There are about 100 plays in a football game where someone is tackled.  You often see celebration but not taunting someone that is down and out.  Had the teammate not intervened it would likely have been worse. 

I don’t know man. I think most players would have celebrated.  It wasn’t intentional. It’s a man’s game.

 

he will get fined and hopefully Allen is ok. 

[klos63]

17 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Not really, his hit on Doyle wasn’t even that bad to warrant an ejection and now a 12 game suspension. It was illegal sure, but his hit warrants an ejection, and the Allen hit doesn’t? Prior issues are not part of the game day judgement calls

Different crew, different ruling on ejection, but it wouldn't surprise me if reputation had something to do with the ejection yesterday. Hard to ignore his past.  But the suspension surely comes from his previous cheap shots and related suspensions.

[wppete]

Scum bag

[cage]

35 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I don't think the hit was a cheap shot. It seemed to me he was putting his shoulder to Allen but went helmet to helmet. I think it was one of things that just happened. The penalty was the correct call because of the hit,  but no ejection necessary.

 

I have to agree with this view.  Allen committed to the run and knew where the first down flag was.  He was going for it and was going full steam to barrel into anyone in front of him to get there.  15 yard penalty none-the-less, but I don't think its a deliberate attempt to injure.

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Different crew, different ruling on ejection, but it wouldn't surprise me if reputation had something to do with the ejection yesterday. Hard to ignore his past.  But the suspension surely comes from his previous cheap shots and related suspensions.

 

Refs do their homework before each game too.  It's loosely similar to how the principal gets acquainted with "the usual suspects" that get sent to the principal's office in middle school.  

[bmur66]

34 minutes ago, devldog131 said:

My issue is with the fact that the hit was completely unnecessary. Allen was wrapped up, with his arms held to his sides, clearly on his way down to the playing surface. The player flew in full speed, head first, into Allen's brain housing group, when there was zero chance he was going to escape from the player tackling him and gain more yardage.

 

Allen had a good chance of getting that first down if Jones wasn't there. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

color me surprised 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, jethro_tull said:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/09/30/bill-belichick-defends-jonathan-jones-hit-on-josh-allen/

 

PR campaign, like they did for Gronk after he clubbed Tre White.

 

Does the Hoodie have any credibility on points like this?  He’s the master of things that skirt legality (on both sides) and are highly unsportsmanlike

 

Bottom line, if the NFL cares about concussions, there have to be consequences for players who don’t take reasonable action to avoid helmet to helmet

[Matt_In_NH]

49 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

Watch #31 after the hit as he has some attitude toward Josh only to be removed by a teammate.  Smart on the Teammate's part but #31 was savoring the moment.

 

 

Yeah this is football.  People smash each other and there is a lot of aggressiveness about it.   People are losing their minds about this.  It was a bang bang play where Allen was going for the first down and the defender was trying to prevent that.  

 

Bills mafia loves to celebrate the hit on Brady for 20 years ago where his helmet went flying.  While that was not illegal then it would be now.  Is that something to be celebrated with gifs everywhere? 

Allen will be out a lot if he continues to try and run defenders over. 

[Jobot]

56 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said:

I agree with others in different threads who think his post-hit reaction reveals his intent.  Allen was already wrapped up by another defender and was in the process of going down.  There is no justification for the player to come in and hit Allen, let alone with a helmet to helmet hit.  

 

I keep hearing this argument, but as a defender you're still trying to stop the momentum of a player moving forward.  The hit prevented Allen from gaining an additional yard.  Allen's problem is that he still doesn't know what 'live to fight another day' means... The way he sacrificed his body on this run... he very irresponsibly put himself into harms way...and the game was not even close to being on the line at this point!  He also may miss the next game... hurting the Bills even more god forbid they aren't able to beat the Titans with Barkely!  He needs to get smart fast otherwise he'll play himself out of this league.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Jobot said:

 

I keep hearing this argument, but as a defender you're still trying to stop the momentum of a player moving forward.  The hit prevented Allen from gaining an additional yard.  Allen's problem is that he still doesn't know what 'live to fight another day' means... The way he sacrificed his body on this run... he very irresponsibly put himself into harms way...and the game was not even close to being on the line at this point!  He also may miss the next game... hurting the Bills even more god forbid they aren't able to beat the Titans with Barkely!  He needs to get smart fast otherwise he'll play himself out of this league.

Yup. It’s the best and worst quality he has.  Cam Newton is a result of playing like that.  His teammates and fans love him for it but it will take its toll. 

[Jobot]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yup. It’s the best and worst quality he has.  Cam Newton is a result of playing like that.  His teammates and fans love him for it but it will take its toll. 

 

Very true, and I mean he's a big dude, and running backs take these kind of hits ALL the time, so it does make me wonder what's the difference that rbs aren't getting concussed left and right?  They're just shiftier? lower to the ground?