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Bill Belichick Defends Jones Hit on Josh Allen!

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I appreciate Josh’s heart and, yes, it was 3rd and 8 with us down by 6, but he’s got to slide.  We can complain all we want and endlessly debate intent here (and it probably was intentional), but who would be complaining if Poyer had laid out Brady in the same fashion?  What Josh can control is whether he puts himself in position to get hurt or not.  Slide, Josh, slide. 

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2 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

I think it was 2008, Bills at home vs. Pats**. Bills defensive back levels Brady and sends his helmet flying. Brady today on radio interview said Belickik told him "if you want to survive in the NFL, either throw that ball away or slide". Allen should have slid to avoid big hit. There was no flag on that 2008 hit either.

 

Agree Josh doesn't protect himself as he should.  That hit though is exactly what the league is trying to eliminate. 

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3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Yes I have.  There are about 100 plays in a football game where someone is tackled.  You often see celebration but not taunting someone that is down and out.  Had the teammate not intervened it would likely have been worse. 

I don’t know man. I think most players would have celebrated.  It wasn’t intentional. It’s a man’s game.

 

he will get fined and hopefully Allen is ok. 

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17 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Not really, his hit on Doyle wasn’t even that bad to warrant an ejection and now a 12 game suspension. It was illegal sure, but his hit warrants an ejection, and the Allen hit doesn’t? Prior issues are not part of the game day judgement calls

Different crew, different ruling on ejection, but it wouldn't surprise me if reputation had something to do with the ejection yesterday. Hard to ignore his past.  But the suspension surely comes from his previous cheap shots and related suspensions.

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35 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I don't think the hit was a cheap shot. It seemed to me he was putting his shoulder to Allen but went helmet to helmet. I think it was one of things that just happened. The penalty was the correct call because of the hit,  but no ejection necessary.

 

I have to agree with this view.  Allen committed to the run and knew where the first down flag was.  He was going for it and was going full steam to barrel into anyone in front of him to get there.  15 yard penalty none-the-less, but I don't think its a deliberate attempt to injure.

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2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Different crew, different ruling on ejection, but it wouldn't surprise me if reputation had something to do with the ejection yesterday. Hard to ignore his past.  But the suspension surely comes from his previous cheap shots and related suspensions.

 

Refs do their homework before each game too.  It's loosely similar to how the principal gets acquainted with "the usual suspects" that get sent to the principal's office in middle school.  

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34 minutes ago, devldog131 said:

My issue is with the fact that the hit was completely unnecessary. Allen was wrapped up, with his arms held to his sides, clearly on his way down to the playing surface. The player flew in full speed, head first, into Allen's brain housing group, when there was zero chance he was going to escape from the player tackling him and gain more yardage.

 

Allen had a good chance of getting that first down if Jones wasn't there. 

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1 hour ago, jethro_tull said:

 

PR campaign, like they did for Gronk after he clubbed Tre White.

 

Does the Hoodie have any credibility on points like this?  He’s the master of things that skirt legality (on both sides) and are highly unsportsmanlike

 

Bottom line, if the NFL cares about concussions, there have to be consequences for players who don’t take reasonable action to avoid helmet to helmet

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49 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

Watch #31 after the hit as he has some attitude toward Josh only to be removed by a teammate.  Smart on the Teammate's part but #31 was savoring the moment.

 

 

Yeah this is football.  People smash each other and there is a lot of aggressiveness about it.   People are losing their minds about this.  It was a bang bang play where Allen was going for the first down and the defender was trying to prevent that.  

 

Bills mafia loves to celebrate the hit on Brady for 20 years ago where his helmet went flying.  While that was not illegal then it would be now.  Is that something to be celebrated with gifs everywhere? 

Allen will be out a lot if he continues to try and run defenders over. 

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56 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said:

I agree with others in different threads who think his post-hit reaction reveals his intent.  Allen was already wrapped up by another defender and was in the process of going down.  There is no justification for the player to come in and hit Allen, let alone with a helmet to helmet hit.  

 

I keep hearing this argument, but as a defender you're still trying to stop the momentum of a player moving forward.  The hit prevented Allen from gaining an additional yard.  Allen's problem is that he still doesn't know what 'live to fight another day' means... The way he sacrificed his body on this run... he very irresponsibly put himself into harms way...and the game was not even close to being on the line at this point!  He also may miss the next game... hurting the Bills even more god forbid they aren't able to beat the Titans with Barkely!  He needs to get smart fast otherwise he'll play himself out of this league.

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Just now, Jobot said:

 

I keep hearing this argument, but as a defender you're still trying to stop the momentum of a player moving forward.  The hit prevented Allen from gaining an additional yard.  Allen's problem is that he still doesn't know what 'live to fight another day' means... The way he sacrificed his body on this run... he very irresponsibly put himself into harms way...and the game was not even close to being on the line at this point!  He also may miss the next game... hurting the Bills even more god forbid they aren't able to beat the Titans with Barkely!  He needs to get smart fast otherwise he'll play himself out of this league.

Yup. It’s the best and worst quality he has.  Cam Newton is a result of playing like that.  His teammates and fans love him for it but it will take its toll. 

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2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yup. It’s the best and worst quality he has.  Cam Newton is a result of playing like that.  His teammates and fans love him for it but it will take its toll. 

 

Very true, and I mean he's a big dude, and running backs take these kind of hits ALL the time, so it does make me wonder what's the difference that rbs aren't getting concussed left and right?  They're just shiftier? lower to the ground?

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1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

Allen was reckless with the ball and his body all game. He has to learn to slide. They can't bubblewrap the players out there, Allen was fighting for yards and the defender tried to stop him from getting those yards. Heads hit sometimes, hope it wasn't intentional, but if this is your biggest takeaway from the game, there's other issues that need to be addressed.

Agreed, As much as I want to burn them at the stake he HAS to learn to get down or won't be long for this league...

 

On the bright side we turned it over 5 time once for a ST TD and still only lost by 6, it sucks but we are trending in the right direction and the league took notice of our defense. This team also did not quit, which is excellent to see. Years past we all know how this would have finished up.  

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1 hour ago, Da webster guy said:

Well, the refs saw it as an illegal hit and they were right.  The hit resulted in a concussed QB that had to leave the game.  Those are the facts.

 

Nobody will ever know Jones intent, but he went higher than he needed to go.   It would have been natural to hit him in the middle of the body, he went high.

 

Josh was a runner, trying to get the first down, it wasn't a late hit, it was just an illegal one.   Not surprised Bill is having trouble with whats legal or not.

Bill would have had no trouble with what is legal or not had we hit Brady the exact same way.

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9 minutes ago, Jobot said:

 

I keep hearing this argument, but as a defender you're still trying to stop the momentum of a player moving forward.  The hit prevented Allen from gaining an additional yard.  Allen's problem is that he still doesn't know what 'live to fight another day' means... The way he sacrificed his body on this run... he very irresponsibly put himself into harms way...and the game was not even close to being on the line at this point!  He also may miss the next game... hurting the Bills even more god forbid they aren't able to beat the Titans with Barkely!  He needs to get smart fast otherwise he'll play himself out of this league.

 

Fair enough.  I kept thinking about the play last year when Kiko was headhunting and almost took out Allen but Allen was in the process of sliding on that play.

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1 hour ago, jethro_tull said:

Looking at the video THIS link shows it seems Allen hit the side of Jones helmet with the front of his helmet. Am I wrong?  

 

This is is what causes fan bases to argue with each other all the different angles showing what appears be different things.  They show us (Pats) this angle and we all go “looks like a pure accident and unintentional” meanwhile Buffalo media shows you a different angle which makes you think “That’s the dirtiest play ever he should be kicked out!” .  

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After seeing this play over & over again, Jones' helmet came in at the same level as Josh's. In my book, that's intentional. He wanted to clock Josh. One Patriot already

had Josh wrapped up. Jones should have come in lower to actually help in bringing Josh down. 

On a side note, you should hear the great Trey Wingo's "rationalization" in defense of Jones.  Just watched it a few minutes ago. It was something about because Josh

is taller than Jones, Jones has no other choice than to hit Josh where he did!!     REALLY Wingo?? You fool!!!  (More like Mungo than Wingo)

 

that's my 2 cents.

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1 hour ago, Da webster guy said:

Well, the refs saw it as an illegal hit and they were right.  The hit resulted in a concussed QB that had to leave the game.  Those are the facts.

 

Nobody will ever know Jones intent, but he went higher than he needed to go.   It would have been natural to hit him in the middle of the body, he went high.

 

Josh was a runner, trying to get the first down, it wasn't a late hit, it was just an illegal one.   Not surprised Bill is having trouble with whats legal or not.

Josh was already being tackled and was giving himself up as he covered the ball. Jones could very easily choose the midsection but he stayed up. That was as intentional as the international grounding. It's the Patriots, they get away with anything they want. And the league knows it and looks the other way. 

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Other than the Bills I have not seen anyone thinking he should have been ejected. Honestly, if that was a Bills player making that hit I would not think they should get ejected. 

 

I have seen way way worse hits on players than that. I think pre-concussion protocol he is playing within a few snaps. The problem with running QB's is the refs do start to treat them as RB's and I get it in some ways. On one play they run over a defensive guy and on the next should be protected. It does get confusing and unfair for a defensive player. 

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1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

I appreciate Josh’s heart and, yes, it was 3rd and 8 with us down by 6, but he’s got to slide.  We can complain all we want and endlessly debate intent here (and it probably was intentional), but who would be complaining if Poyer had laid out Brady in the same fashion?  What Josh can control is whether he puts himself in position to get hurt or not.  Slide, Josh, slide. 

 

Yup.  There's that long ago highlight of Brady getting completely blown up near the sideline by someone on the Bills.  He was smart enough to learn after a few of those hits early in his career that if he wanted to play into his 40s he had to stop putting himself in that position no matter what the game situation.   Not saying I want Josh to start cowering on the ground every time the defense gets near, but he can still be an offensive weapon without putting himself in position to get hammered.  He wasn't going to get a first down there, he wasn't going to get through 2-3 guys so he's got to recognize that and get down safely.

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6 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Yeah this is football.  People smash each other and there is a lot of aggressiveness about it.   People are losing their minds about this.  It was a bang bang play where Allen was going for the first down and the defender was trying to prevent that.  

 

Bills mafia loves to celebrate the hit on Brady for 20 years ago where his helmet went flying.  While that was not illegal then it would be now.  Is that something to be celebrated with gifs everywhere? 

Allen will be out a lot if he continues to try and run defenders over. 

 

People disagreeing with you is not the same as “losing their minds”

 

A number of hits that are illegal now were considered great plays in da day so not sure of your point there.

 

The bottom line is, a Pats defender took out the Bills QB with a now illegal helmet to helmet hit, and the Pats had no in game consequence for that due to offsetting penalties.

 

Belichek in the past has shown himself the master of using the rule book to his benefit, so it’s quite possible that has occurred to him.

 

It’s also been done to the Pats- in the Pats-Jags game a couple years ago it was pretty clear “take out Gronk” was Marrone’s plan.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Looking at the video THIS link shows it seems Allen hit the side of Jones helmet with the front of his helmet. Am I wrong?  

 

This is is what causes fan bases to argue with each other all the different angles showing what appears be different things.  They show us (Pats) this angle and we all go “looks like a pure accident and unintentional” meanwhile Buffalo media shows you a different angle which makes you think “That’s the dirtiest play ever he should be kicked out!” .  

Get lost. are you banned from The cheats boards.? 

Y'all spend way to much time here in Bills country.

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