Trogdor Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: Project is your word, not mine. Project QB's are taken in the late rounds. Raw but talented? How about Mahomes? Show me the scouting report that called him a finished product...I'll wait. Mahomes was a far superior QB in college. He isn't a finished product either, but he still looks miles ahead at this point. Allen, while more talented, was the third best QB in his conference at Wyoming. Ironically they also had a top defense and struggled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Guy has a bad game against the best defense in football...or at least top 3 with us and the Bears. Yeah, lets bring out the pitchforks. Brilliant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Allen's biggest problem is that he's so inefficient. His career QB rating is currently 68.4. This year, he's the 33rd ranked QB in the NFL among qualified passers. We're 3-1, but it's really hard to win when you have bottom of the barrel QB play like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I really wish he had the opportunity to finish the game. He has been clutch late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pirate Angel said: He just needs to take a sack, throw, it away, or throw it in the dirt instead of gambling and throwing picks. Also Everytime we pass he is in shotgun formation, now that does help a young QB see the field but it also telegraphs that your passing. Recall all the reverse and flips to TEs and Wrs that were effective against Cinci...runs out of the shotgun against a team that was in pass defense. Now belicheck with much better safety's bring players closer to the line and retreat into pass protection which allows for more speed closer to the line nullyfying those types of plays. The first pick Josh locked on to John brown assuming he had him 1 on 1 and didn't see the safety playing deep. The sacks have been just as bad. He ruined field position a couple times by taking sacks after back peddling for a while. It was something like 35 yards lost just off of sacks. Is there time to turn things around? Absolutely, but this whole board is in apologist mode. He looked bad all on his own enough that it's not just team struggles. He has 5 fumbles 6 interceptions and he needs to clean that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Allen's biggest problem is that he's so inefficient. His career QB rating is currently 68.4. This year, he's the 33rd ranked QB in the NFL among qualified passers. We're 3-1, but it's really hard to win when you have bottom of the barrel QB play like that. Says the supposed QB expert who wanted to trade an entire draft for Winston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Yes, the Josh Allen stock went down significantly in my eyes yesterday. Still holding it though but with less optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Trogdor said: The sacks have been just as bad. He ruined field position a couple times by taking sacks after back peddling for a while. It was something like 35 yards lost just off of sacks. Is there time to turn things around? Absolutely, but this whole board is in apologist mode. He looked bad all on his own enough that it's not just team struggles. He has 5 fumbles 6 interceptions and he needs to clean that up. This entire board is not in apologist mode and to say so is beyond absurd. Many here, including myself, have pointed out that he played bad yesterday, and that he has got to start playing smarter and not make the same mistake over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Says the supposed QB expert who wanted to trade an entire draft for Winston. I'm just posting the facts. Sorry they upset you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Fans are so stupid. The Pats defense has done this to every QB they have played in the last 10 games, and BB's specialty is doing exactly this against young QBs. If it were the Jets or the Giants that did this to JA, I would be worried. This is a giant nothingburger. Josh has shown progression. Unfortunately, everyone takes steps back. That doesn't change the career arc. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 So basically its time to Tank for Tua? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, SoTier said: Here are the first round QBs since 2001 so you don't miss some first round "project QB" who actually developed into a good/great QB... 2010 - Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow... 2018 - Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson 2018: Allen twice, but no Rosen?! Hate crimes! 2010: Tim Tebow: For many, the equivalent of saying ‘Randolph Scott’ in ‘Blazing Saddles’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I'm just posting the facts. Sorry they upset you so much. Sorrry you think you're some QB expert that only shows his face around here when there's a loss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, prissythecat said: So basically its time to Tank for Tua? Around here it might be ‘Trade for Tua’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: Now look what happened in the 2nd half, Allen went 6-6 while scoring a TD on a defense that hadn't allowed an offensive TD this season previously! If Allen doesn't get injured my take is he takes the team to a comeback win! It truly is embarrassing how quickly some Bills fans jump off the bandwagon and complain endlessly about a young QB with not even a full season under his belt. The Bills offense just went against the very best defense in the NFL, the SB champs who beat the Chiefs in last years AFC Champ game. The opening drive in the 2nd half was also high tempo, no-huddle. It was a good strategy that seemed to catch the **Pats off guard. But the key was that Allen started taking what the defense gave him, as opposed to forcing the ball downfield on low percentage throws. It was similar to how the Bills started the game in week 1 against the Jets. But after that, he seemed to revert back a bit to what was killing the team in the 1st half. It's ok to criticize if it's warranted. After yesterday's game it is warranted. BUT putting Allen is so many positions for mistakes to possibly happen was also part of the problem...really, the root of it. So it wasn't all on Allen, IMO, yet from most fans, he gets all the blame. Yeah, he does need to learn from and correct those mistakes, but as fans, we also need to understand where this team is in it's development, and allow them the time to do it. It's not just about this year, its about the next 10+. Most people have the right idea though: if we're seeing these issues in about 9 or 10 weeks, then we'll be concerned, because it's the long term ramifications that they're looking at. I feel confident in saying that if Allen doesn't get taken out, the Bills win the game, but we just don't know. We've seen it in a couple games already this year, but not against that team and that defense. Barkley nearly did what we think Allen would have done, but fell just short. And once again, that's despite multiple turnovers (and a special teams TD), nearly won the game against that team. Some Bills fans can be extremely annoying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I never established a lot of faith in him to begin with. The inaccuracy problem is real. He rarely throws with anticipation, he misses open guys on long and short throws, and he rarely gives receivers an opportunity to run after the catch. He has not shown that he can "make all the throws", not by a long shot. His performance yesterday made me wonder if he even has the capacity to learn from his mistakes. All week long he was talking about cleaning up those bad decisions, the up-for-grabs throws off the back foot under pressure. And he went and did it even more this week. At 16 games in, I don't question his will, his leadership, etc. But his throwing ability and decision making have not improved at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: This entire board is not in apologist mode and to say so is beyond absurd. Many here, including myself, have pointed out that he played bad yesterday, and that he has got to start playing smarter and not make the same mistake over and over. I definitely exaggerated and I appreciate being called on it. There just seems to be an overwhelming push to absolve him here. There is even a group who thinks BB took a hit out on Allen because he was somehow worried about him. When Tyrod looked like this there wasn't nearly as many conspiracy theories, or maybe there were and I don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Fans are so stupid. The Pats defense has done this to every QB they have played in the last 10 games, and BB's specialty is doing exactly this against young QBs. If it were the Jets or the Giants that did this to JA, I would be worried. This is a giant nothingburger. Josh has shown progression. Unfortunately, everyone takes steps back. That doesn't change the career arc. I don't think the Pat's defense caused Allen to lose his mechanics and throw ducks all over the field. The first two passes of the game he didn't set his feet right and missed easy short completions. His 2nd pick of the game should have been a TD. He badly underthrown a wide open Zay Jones. There was that pass where the broadcast showed John Brown wide open over the middle. I don't mind that Allen threw to Beasley there - he was the first progression and he was in single coverage with a step on his defender. The problem is Allen, again, overthrew the pass. He was off all day long. What happened to checking the ball down? I don't remember Allen doing that once yesterday. The Pats begged him to run backwards every time they crashed the pocket and he obliged every time. There's so much from this game he did wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Trogdor said: I definitely exaggerated and I appreciate being called on it. There just seems to be an overwhelming push to absolve him here. There is even a group who thinks BB took a hit out on Allen because he was somehow worried about him. When Tyrod looked like this there wasn't nearly as many conspiracy theories, or maybe there were and I don't remember. I don't think BB put out a hit on Allen. It was a dirty hit and the guy should have gotten thrown out, but some folks around here take things to an absurd extreme at times. Allen had a bad game yesterday. There is no logical way to deny that. I think the kid will be the guy for years to come, but he has to get it through his head that he doesn't have to win every game by himself, that he has to make a big play to win. At times you see him get that, like in the first three games where he brought them back, and yesterday in the TD drive where he took what the defense gave him. But he also tries to do too much, as we saw in the first half yesterday. If I were Daboll I would have him do nothing but watch Brady films to get when to throw it away, when to check down, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) I have not lost faith. He is the same now as he was in college. Same strengths, and same weaknesses. Early this season he showed signs he was "getting it" and not making the stupid plays. That came crashing down yesterday. Some say that's how he was in college, how he is now, and how he will always be. If those people are correct, his career as a starter will be short lived. If he turns it around somehow, he could be something special. Edited September 30, 2019 by CodeMonkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't think the Pat's defense caused Allen to lose his mechanics and throw ducks all over the field. The first two passes of the game he didn't set his feet right and missed easy short completions. His 2nd pick of the game should have been a TD. He badly underthrown a wide open Zay Jones. There was that pass where the broadcast showed John Brown wide open over the middle. I don't mind that Allen threw to Beasley there - he was the first progression and he was in single coverage with a step on his defender. The problem is Allen, again, overthrew the pass. He was off all day long. What happened to checking the ball down? I don't remember Allen doing that once yesterday. The Pats begged him to run backwards every time they crashed the pocket and he obliged every time. There's so much from this game he did wrong. Granted, he came out hyped up. He did that against the Jets too, and he missed open deep throws. He definitely lost his mechanics there. He was also rattled within minutes of the game beginning. Again, the Pats have done that to every QB they have faced. Heck, they did it in the superbowl too. Against us, they crashed the line so quickly JA couldn't get the ball out quick enough. I don't know if they had the check down covered or if JA just didn't make the right call, but that is what BB does to rookies. He makes them do things wrong. Things that it looks like they have figured out. Scheme and talent matters, and their D has a ton. This is not the end all, be all. If you really dived in to what the Pats do, this was the expected result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy Beebe Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 All qbs have bad games. But this turnover thing is really getting annoying with Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Apps Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I never thought he'd succeed. Have seen enough promising signs from him to think I might be wrong, but his decision making is a major problem at this point. He makes mistakes you're taught not to make in high school. His situational awareness as a QB is pretty awful. Biggest reason why I didn’t like the pick of him and why I was never sold on him. I don’t think those traits can be easily fixed and corrected. You either have that awareness and smarts like Brady or you don’t. The fact that Barkley cold was making quick reads and getting the receivers the ball is a big concern about how Allen’s hold on the offense. Beane and McDermott are going have further improve the O-Line and get a true #1 WR either by trade or draft. I don’t think Allen can carry this offense into the playoffs unless he improves that aspect of his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I have my doubts about Allen. -Has incredible arm strength but has yet to connect on a deep ball this season. -Poor ball security -Inconsistent accuracy on the easy throws. -Does not protect himself 100% of the time as a runner However the things that make me believe: -incredible intangibles: extremely competitive and great leadership. He really can rally the troops -he can make throws on the field only a few guys in the league can make (Mahomes, Stafford, Rodgers) -incredible athleticism -ingenuity when the play breaks down Honestly this Patriots game exposed all the flaws Allen has as a QB. It's what Belichick does. The blue print to beating Josh Allen in 2019 has been made and every team will copy it until he demonstrates he can overcome these weakness's. It's hard to trust that Allen will ever become a true franchise QB. He has yet to really put together a complete 4 quarters of football ( aside from meaningless dolphins game from last year). It's discouraging when you see guys like Mahomes and Minshew just excel right away when they're thrust into action. Right now Allen is more like Mitch Trubisky than he is more like Carson Wentz and that is concerning 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Wow, after having a terrible game against the greatest defensive mind in football some fans want to move on from Allen. Absolutely bizzare IMO. * First, Allen had a bad game. There are a lot of things he needs to correct when playing against an ELITE NFL defense. But why would any knowledgeable football fan be surprised by this? My heart convinced me otherwise but my head kept thinking that Allen was going to have a very bad game against the Pats and he did. * Allen DID NOT lose the game. Had the Bills won it would have been in spite of Allen but did Teddy Bridgewater "win" the game for NO last night? Sometimes in the NFL your QB has a bad game yet you win 12 - 10 like NO did last night. None of Allen's 3 INT's put the Pats in immediate scoring position nor did they negate a promising Bills scoring drive. The blocked punt for a TD was the killer. How many times a year do you see that in the NFL? * IMO Dabold put to much on Allen. In a way this is a good sign as it meant that in practice and after watching film from the first 3 games the Bills felt Allen could handle it. That he didn't is disappointing but hardly surprising given the opponent. If Allen was the bust some are claiming here Dabold & McDermitt WOULD NOT have put the offense on Allens shoulders against the Pats. You would have seen a much more conservative game plan. * I'm not making excuses here but how many NFL teams have a worse set of RB's then the Bills? Sure Gore had a great game yesterday and has had a HOF career but how much of his 100 yards was a result of the Pats simply not caring about the run? And did Yeldon even get a carry? Yes Singleterry has had a promising start to his career but he's missed 2 games & counting. IMO we fielded a bottom 5 RB dual yesterday. Watch an NFL game, ANY NFL game and tell me I'm wrong. * I like Brown & Beasley and they're definitely a step up from last years top WR's. But the Bills still lack a go to stud that can catch those 50/50 balls. And while a lot of people on here are talking about Allen missing "open" receivers, I kept seeing replays showing how NONE of our WR's were getting separation. Sure Allen missed some open WR's but that was mostly on long throws down field. But the fact remains there just weren't many guys getting open underneath. * Knox is a promising rookie TE and needs to see the field more and be a target more. Going forward, BOTH Knox & Singleterry must be inserted as mainstays in the offensive game plan. They are two of our most dangerous skill players who actually have game breaking ability. Yesterday I saw pass plays that had Smith going 20 yards downfield with NO hope of getting open and I saw empty backfield, 4 receiver spread sets with DeMarco & Gore as two of the spread guys on one side. Do you want to guess which side of the field the safeties cheated to when they saw that? * As others have said Allen gets at least 3 full seasons to prove whether he's the guy or not. In addition, the Bills need to continue to upgrade the talent around him on offense. They did a nice job adding players that moved us from being a bottom 3 offense last season to being in the middle of the pack this season. But if you're going to get a true read on whether Allen is the guy or not then you need to surround him with offense talent that is at least in the top 3rd of the league. You don't need to get him KC or LA Rams talent but you need to improve the O-line and add play makers. * If we don't do this then Allen will flame out and the Bills will be on another 20 year odyssey of non-playoff, mediocre football looking for the right QB. That's why we want Allen to succeed. If he doesn't we risk another wasted decade. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Allow me to remind Bills fans that in his 6 years as an NFL offensive coordinator for four different teams Brian Daboll has never fielded better than 23rd. in passing yards! 2009 Cleveland (5-11) Points for 29, Yards for 32. Passing yards that season 32nd 2010 Cleveland (5-11). PF 31, YF 29. Passing yards that season 29th 2011 Miami (6-10). PF 20, YF 22. Passing yards that season 23rd 2012 Kansas (2-12) PF 32, YF 24. Passing yards that season 32nd 2018 Buffalo (6-10) PF 30, YF 30. Passing yards that season 31st. 2019 Buffalo (3-0) PF 17, YF 8. Passing yards in the first three games 19th The Buffalo Bills just played the NE Patriots with the #1 defense in points allowed, #1 in yards allowed. The Bills scored the very first TD against that defense this season. The 2018 SB winners with pro bowl, all pro ex Bills CB Stephon Gilmore! So what does Brian Daboll call in that first series against that defense ...Pass, incomplete, Pass, incomplete, 5 yard penalty (no play), Run, Run, Penalty (center ineligible downfield?) Penalty TE Lee Smith. 1st and 20 at Buffalo 30, Daboll calls for a deep middle pass to John Brown INT! Line playing poorly, penalties, and with Gore the Bills should should have come out running. Bills Blocked punt for 7 pts... Missed FG. Turnover on downs. Out coached on offense! Go ahead and list the QBs Daboll has worked with in all those stints as well.. then see if your argument holds water. I'm not big on Daboll, but you cant deny he's never had a real qb to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Way to early to lose faith in Allen, especially after all the good we have seen. Yeah he stunk yesterday. But so has every other young QB that plays the Patriots. When was the last time a young QB looked good against the Patriots? Allen did come out of halftime looking better and he very well could have pulled out the win if he had stayed in the game. There is so much to look forward to with Allen in this team. Chances are he sits next week which means he will return against the Dolphins with a great game to start out with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) The biggest thing I am worried about is how he has seemed to lose the best part of his game...the long ball... He has to be like 0 for 8 on throws over 30 yards, and all of them have been over thrown.(me guessing on the stats, not verified). Josh Allen needs to be a big play guy, if he connects on one of two of those deep plays then you forget more about the 3 picks. Thats the most concerning part of his game to me right now, did they focus so much on the short game in training camp that they caused him to lose all the touch on the long passes? Edited September 30, 2019 by Mrbojanglezs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, K-Apps said: Biggest reason why I didn’t like the pick of him and why I was never sold on him. I don’t think those traits can be easily fixed and corrected. You either have that awareness and smarts like Brady or you don’t. The fact that Barkley cold was making quick reads and getting the receivers the ball is a big concern about how Allen’s hold on the offense. Beane and McDermott are going have further improve the O-Line and get a true #1 WR either by trade or draft. I don’t think Allen can carry this offense into the playoffs unless he improves that aspect of his game. With a week to game plan the Bills can win a couple of games with Barkley but let's not get fooled by what Barkley did yesterday as some sort of indicator of Allen's ability to handle the offense. Barkley is a check down guy which is actually what you want in your back-up. And when going against a prevent defense like NE played on that last drive, guys like Barkley are going to get completions and look "sharp". But notice how that all came to an end when the Bills got to the Pat's 40 yard line. And on drives before that Barkley did not throw the ball well. Twice he missed open receivers with throws into the turf. And he was lucky not to have lost a fumble and thrown a 2nd INT - in just 3 possessions. I'm more interested in how Allen was able to lead the Bills on a TD drive at the start of the 3rd where he was 6 - 6 for 69 yards. That was a great drive and the first offensive TD the Pats had given up since last years AFC championship game. That's the drive we need to look at when assessing Allen's ability to handle the offense. Barkley's quick reads and getting the ball to receivers was the result of throwing against a prevent D on that last drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Mrbojanglezs said: The biggest thing I am worried about is how he has seemed to lose the best part of his game...the long ball... He has to be like 0 for 8 on throws over 30 yards, and all of them have been over thrown. Josh Allen needs to be a big play buy, if he connects on one of two of those deep plays then you forget more about the 3 picks. Thats the most concerning part of his game to me right now, did they focus so much on the short game in training camp that they caused him to lose all the touch on the long passes? I believe it can be fixed because he showed last year that he could hit those throws. Remember the perfect deep throw that was dropped against the Vikings or the deep throw that was lost in the sun against the Pats. Or the deep TD passes against Jacksonville, Detroit & Miami. And he did complete nice long balls against the Jets for the winning TD and against the Giants to Beasley. Yesterday he was slightly under throwing the long balls in contrast to his overthrowing those passes in the first 3 games. This seems like an artillery guy range finding. I suspect that at some point he's going to nail the range and start hitting those throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I think he is the quarterback of an exceptionally good football team, but I wouldnt say I ever went over to the side of having faith in him. Running aside, he is putting up numbers very close to guys like Blake Bortles, Deshone Kizer, and Geno Smith- sense a trend here. I am not sure Josh is ever going to be a good starter in the NFL. I think the Bills spent a first round pick on a more athletic Derek Anderson. Everytime he rolls to his right everyone knows whats coming. I hope I am wrong, but he may be the worst starting quarterback in the league right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Hell no. If he finishes the game we probably win. All these sky are falling at 3-1 posts are pretty lame Without one of the best defenses in the league Allen doesn't have the chance to win some of these games at the end. The Jets is a loss and probably the Bengals too. So if the Bills had an average D and the Bills were sitting at 1-3 would people blame Allen for poor ball security that costs the team wins? Allen does seem to have the "clutch gene" but he has got to have better ball security (both running and throwing) or he's not for long in this league. The defense won't always be able to bail him out and give him a shot at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Apps Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: With a week to game plan the Bills can win a couple of games with Barkley but let's not get fooled by what Barkley did yesterday as some sort of indicator of Allen's ability to handle the offense. Barkley is a check down guy which is actually what you want in your back-up. And when going against a prevent defense like NE played on that last drive, guys like Barkley are going to get completions and look "sharp". But notice how that all came to an end when the Bills got to the Pat's 40 yard line. And on drives before that Barkley did not throw the ball well. Twice he missed open receivers with throws into the turf. And he was lucky not to have lost a fumble and thrown a 2nd INT - in just 3 possessions. I'm more interested in how Allen was able to lead the Bills on a TD drive at the start of the 3rd where he was 6 - 6 for 69 yards. That was a great drive and the first offensive TD the Pats had given up since last years AFC championship game. That's the drive we need to look at when assessing Allen's ability to handle the offense. Barkley's quick reads and getting the ball to receivers was the result of throwing against a prevent D on that last drive. To me, Barkley understood what the Pats were doing and was decisive in his reads. He’s a limited QB, we all know that. Allen was holding the ball too long trying to hit this long pass plays that weren’t there unless he made the perfect throw. Part of Allen’s struggles was the fact the O-Line wasn’t good, but that being that, getting the ball out and hitting the underneath stuff was what the Bills offense. There was a 3rd down play with Brown was wide open for the 1st on a slant I believe and Allen instead overthrew Beasley on a our route. Plays like that are why I’m very skeptical on Allen’s ability on making smart reads quickly. That could improve over time, but setting your feet before you throw not mistake he should be making at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJBrown7 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Nope....yes that was a bad game. It happens. I still felt that we would win it though until he got knocked out. That’s what he brings to the table and we haven’t had that in a long time. Not to mention he’s only started about one season worth of games and is still learning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Wsam4031 said: Hes in his second year! lets let him keep developing and not keep judging him like hes a 10 year vet. I definitely agree. No reason to give up on Allen or demand change.. He needs to show another year of improvement... He does that by playing the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Xwnyer said: No but I am losing faith in the OC developing a game plan that helps the young QB develop and the OL that is getting killed Or is it the young qb fails to pull the trigger on open wrs with protection from his line instead holding on to the ball too long leading to pressure and throwing the ball off his back foot for an easy pick? There were times the WRs didn’t get open and josh had protection. He ran around and took horrible sacks instead of throwing it away or running for a few yards. A couple times taking us out of field goal range. Josh’s terrible decision making was the problem yesterday. He holds on to the ball way too long. There are a lot of plays where if he threw the ball as soon as he hit the top of his drop he had receivers that were open. But he waited and coverage caught up. Happens a lot with Allen. Balls should be delivered already, he second guesses the throw and it’s too late. Edited September 30, 2019 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, K-Apps said: To me, Barkley understood what the Pats were doing and was decisive in his reads. He’s a limited QB, we all know that. Allen was holding the ball too long trying to hit this long pass plays that weren’t there unless he made the perfect throw. Part of Allen’s struggles was the fact the O-Line wasn’t good, but that being that, getting the ball out and hitting the underneath stuff was what the Bills offense. There was a 3rd down play with Brown was wide open for the 1st on a slant I believe and Allen instead overthrew Beasley on a our route. Plays like that are why I’m very skeptical on Allen’s ability on making smart reads quickly. That could improve over time, but setting your feet before you throw not mistake he should be making at this point. Your right that Allen missed the easier throw for the 1st down on that play and he needs to learn from that. But I just didn't see the Pats giving Allen the things they were willing to concede to Barkley in the prevent. We're probably all over thinking this. The Pats have one of the top 3 if not the top pass defense in the NFL. EVERY player in their secondary is a stud. On top of that it's likely that Belichick is taking a direct hand in formulating the Pats defensive game plan and making the game day defensive play calls. We can hate Belichick all we want but he is the best defensive mind in the history of the NFL. Against this we have an offense with a very young and inexperienced QB; a mixed bag on the O-line and at the skill positions and a solid but not great offensive coordinator. The Pats simply confused Allen and the O and the result was a bad offensive performance. It's nothing more then that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Nope. If the hero ball is going on in week 15 I’ll be concerned for next season. You may as well get ready, that is part of his game and may never change. Edited September 30, 2019 by iinii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Def not losing faith.I feel Josh and the team are still jelling and learning what works and what does not work.Obviously the coaches will show Josh that defenses are going to try to force you to roll right and bait you into a mistake.Knowing that like last year not being good at the short game Josh will grow or turn that part of his game into a strength... on a side note I know Sam Darnold only played one game , but how is Baker Mayfield,Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson all doing in their second year??? I’d say Josh is right on par with the rest of the year two quarterbacks.GO BILLS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak-O Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He's the comeback king. The Pats saved their win when they knocked him out. Being down one TD with a couple of minutes left is what Allen does best. It's almost like he doesn't know how to win unless he's behind. Like a fighter who doesn't get going until he gets punched in the face. I like Allen a lot! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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