Protocal69 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) Last week Ravens ( Lamar Jackson ) threw a TD pass to a wide open the TE Andrews and I was like that play looked familiar so I pulled up the BILLS game against the Vikings where Croom scored the wide open TD. Just like I thought the same play out of a different formation with the same motion. They say its a copy cat league but damn. Edited September 17, 2019 by Protocal69 4 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 yep, that was the Croom play from last year essentially... worked again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Wow great observation on your part good job. I do think it looked a lot better when we did it though 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 We should do it again apparently 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I was just thinking we should copy that watkins TD from last week where he was wide open. Im hoping OCs lose the arrogance and steal plays weekly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Greg Roman is a top 10 OC in the league. He got fired here to save Rex and his lardy brother's arse.... 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) LOL ...the "Croom TD". good times... Edited September 17, 2019 by Mr. WEO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 To me, it's not that he stole the play...it was his offense that we ran, he just took it all with him when he left. It actually speaks volumes negatively to Greg Roman if you ask me. He's doing nothing but recycle his playbook, which he probably got from someone else anyway. Now when I see him all i can see is coach Red Beaulieu played by Jerry Reed in the Waterboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, BigPappy said: To me, it's not that he stole the play...it was his offense that we ran, he just took it all with him when he left. It actually speaks volumes negatively to Greg Roman if you ask me. He's doing nothing but recycle his playbook, which he probably got from someone else anyway. Now when I see him all i can see is coach Red Beaulieu played by Jerry Reed in the Waterboy. Sorry? You think we were still running Greg Roman's offense three coordinators after he left? Yea. We weren't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 It's a post-wheel concept which is pretty common, but the fact that there were split backs with a guy motioning into the flats was very similar to what we saw. Good observation. It's definitely a good sign that teams are stealing from us. Can't say that ever happened under Hackett, or any other loser OC we've had. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Greg Roman is a top 10 OC in the league. He got fired here to save Rex and his lardy brother's arse.... His only issue is taking too long to get plays in. Was a problem in San Francisco as well as here. . Mcvays got his guys to the line so he can see what the defense brings and we had tyrod scrambling and clapping his hands to try and get a snap off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 good, then we know how to defend it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Every OC "steals" plays, every OC recycles old plays and they do it constantly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, dneveu said: His only issue is taking too long to get plays in. Was a problem in San Francisco as well as here. . Mcvays got his guys to the line so he can see what the defense brings and we had tyrod scrambling and clapping his hands to try and get a snap off. and after that delay TT trying to find his targeted spot before he got the snap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 minute ago, dneveu said: His only issue is taking too long to get plays in. Was a problem in San Francisco as well as here. . Maybe his problem was the lack of capability from the QB in both cases 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 minute ago, dneveu said: His only issue is taking too long to get plays in. Was a problem in San Francisco as well as here. . Mcvays got his guys to the line so he can see what the defense brings and we had tyrod scrambling and clapping his hands to try and get a snap off. Indeed and at times I think he has too big of a playbook. But his track record speaks for itself. He has spent 5 full seasons as an NFL OC and only been outside the top 12 for points scored once despite having two Quarterbacks (Kap and Tyrod) who are limited at best and who the league soon decided were not starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, poblano said: Maybe his problem was the lack of capability from the QB in both cases His Kaepernick offense went to the super bowl and nearly won. It's an offense that works really well with a great defense. Typically a high sack rate but low turnover rate, and a top level rushing attack. Keeps throws to mostly hitches/comebacks and in and out breaking routes, with complimentary go routes. Not a ton of YAC plays but it makes ur QBs reads easy high low reads, uses the sidelines, and uses your QBs athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Thought the same thing when I saw that highlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, dneveu said: His Kaepernick offense went to the super bowl and nearly won. It's an offense that works really well with a great defense. Typically a high sack rate but low turnover rate, and a top level rushing attack. Keeps throws to mostly hitches/comebacks and in and out breaking routes, with complimentary go routes. Not a ton of YAC plays but it makes ur QBs reads easy high low reads, uses the sidelines, and uses your QBs athleticism. I only talking about the time they take to run the play, obviously Roman is good because he was successful with Kaepernick and with the stupid Harbaugh in his back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, dneveu said: His Kaepernick offense went to the super bowl and nearly won. Yep. Despite Kap not being good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Greg Roman is a top 10 OC in the league. He got fired here to save Rex and his lardy brother's arse.... The O was better when A Lynn took over......the replacement of GR was one of the few correct things REX did...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: The O was better when A Lynn took over......the replacement of GR was one of the few correct things REX did...... It was Greg's offense. I accept A Lynn was probably a better playcaller. But it was Roman's offense. Roman's play design. Roman's scheme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I didn't realize that Christian Wade (#45) was playing for us last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: I didn't realize that Christian Wade (#45) was playing for us last year. That was Marcus Murphy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Greg Roman is a top 10 OC in the league. He got fired here to save Rex and his lardy brother's arse.... I do not agree. Offense got better with Lynn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, blacklabel said: That was Marcus Murphy. Thanks, I guess humor doesn't penetrate the message boards so well Edited September 17, 2019 by Dan Darragh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: Thanks, I guess humor doesn't penetrate the message boards so well Humor? Message? ....penetrate?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I don't think Daboll was the first to run that play.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Sorry? You think we were still running Greg Roman's offense three coordinators after he left? Yea. We weren't. No, that's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying He (Greg Roman) is running the same offense he ran while he was here. Edited September 17, 2019 by BigPappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: It was Greg's offense. I accept A Lynn was probably a better playcaller. But it was Roman's offense. Roman's play design. Roman's scheme. Yep. Well his running and blocking schemes anyway. Lynn pared the number of plays being prepped by almost 50% and it led to much better execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, BigPappy said: No, that's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying He (Greg Roman) is running the same offense he ran while he was here. But he wasn't here for the Croom play. That was last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: It was Greg's offense. I accept A Lynn was probably a better playcaller. But it was Roman's offense. Roman's play design. Roman's scheme. Im not sure Roman had the o line talent he needed for all of that to work. But either way- In a better place now. Rick Dennison was still the worst imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Im not sure Roman had the o line talent he needed for all of that to work. But either way- In a better place now. Rick Dennison was still the worst imo I didn't mind Dennison either. He had no talent to work with. Hackett and all of Jauron's OCs for me were the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 7 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Wow great observation on your part good job. I do think it looked a lot better when we did it though First thing I thought of when I saw it. Maybe it works better for running QBs. He was just as wide open as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Why wouldn't playbooks stay with the team? So if coordinators leave you would still have the core of what you had spent years (perhaps) building remain in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Every single team in the NFL has that concept in their playbook It's honestly a basic concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I didn't mind Dennison either. He had no talent to work with. Hackett and all of Jauron's OCs for me were the worst. Whadda yah mean? That Turk Schonert offence with Trentative Edwards was legendary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But he wasn't here for the Croom play. That was last season. Ahhh, then I miss understood the OP's post. My bad. I'm going to blame it on my brain being fried today. LOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: LOL ...the "Croom TD". good times... We can all call it the Croom TD because it is never likely to happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Protocal69 said: Last week Ravens ( Lamar Jackson ) threw a TD pass to a wide open the TE Andrews and I was like that play looked familiar so I pulled up the BILLS game against the Vikings where Croom scored the wide open TD. Just like I thought the same play out of a different formation with the same motion. They say its a copy cat league but damn. I was just telling a friend about this yesterday. I believe last year they also "stole" the jet sweep toss TD "pass" that we ran early in the season (and several times since, including the McKenzie TD "pass" on Sunday. I remember seeing a couple teams run that play last year and thinking to myself "Bills did it first!", even though I'm sure the Bills didn't innovate that play. I'm sure it's been run before. Edited September 17, 2019 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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